^ huh? What do you mean "based on what is my question"?

9/24/2008 11:06:24 PM

I mean, it seems like people already hate McCain and Palin more than Dubya

what is that hate based on? at least with Dubya you have 7 years of him being President to base it off...yet it seems like many of you hate McCain and Palin MORE...based on what?

9/24/2008 11:07:40 PM

Fuck yeah I'll whip out my guns when the Obamazons start rioting.





PS- Treetwista you are my favorite mofo on this board.

9/24/2008 11:10:00 PM

^^ I don't see how you get that.

You have to realize we're in the middle of a competition... like a sporting event. Until the actual election passes, people on both sides are going to attempt to dehumanize their opponent, so to speak.

It's kind of like how we make fun of people from UNC as being fags. They probably have more fags than us, but IRL, most of us know and are probably friends with someone that went to UNC or likes UNC. It's part of the game. In this case, the game lasts until Nov. 4th.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:10 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 11:10:23 PM

I believe it reading your post history....either a troll or just another simple neck. We have enough of them as is, you're just boring. Glad McCain can get a gem like you on his side.

9/24/2008 11:12:32 PM

ALSO I WILL TYPE IN ALL CAPS AND NOT USE PUNCTUATION OR PROPER GRAMMER TO ILLUSTRATE MY POINTS DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM PUSSY OR DO YOU JUST WANT ME TO KICK YOUR ASS YOU OBAMA LOVING COMMUNIST

^ STROLLER

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:14 PM. Reason : U B STROLLING]

9/24/2008 11:12:51 PM

9/24/2008 11:16:49 PM

why are you sexist and prejudiced against fat people? i thought you were in the party of tolerance?

9/24/2008 11:18:25 PM

^^The fact that she's wearing a Burger King kid's crown makes that picture.

9/24/2008 11:19:51 PM

your post sucks twister, just admire the picture and shut your pointless yapper for a second.

9/24/2008 11:22:36 PM

sorry i was just trying to post like you...you know, if you dont vote for obama you're a racist, and all that other shit the huffington post spoonfeeds you

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:23 PM. Reason : and pictures...gotta post lots and lots of pictures in TSB]

9/24/2008 11:23:21 PM

if obama doesnt win its cause too many racists voted for the other guy lol

9/24/2008 11:24:18 PM

Quote :

"The companies gladly gave those loans, "

I don't think it was gladly.

A bank would open a branch in a minority neighborhood. ACORN would send in operatives to disrupt business until the bank agreed to make some bad loans for ACCORN-designated recipients.
The banks wrote these loans off as a cost of doing business.

But then along comes Freddie and Fannie who tell the banks to hand over the bad loans and they would take care of them. And now the gov't wants to hand these loans over to us.

9/24/2008 11:50:13 PM

I don't understand why McCain would have suspended his campaign after dropping in the polls so steadily.

If the debates are, in fact, cancelled, I think Friday night would be a good chance to arrange a debate amongst the third-party candidates. Why not? Will they even get a chance to debate? If nothing else, we would be presented with some viewpoints that, otherwise, would not arise. I assume all the networks have cleared that time-slot anyway. Maybe Obama could join in the fray.

9/25/2008 1:49:45 AM

i think the answer is that McCain is a complete dumbass.

9/25/2008 1:54:14 AM

Quote :

"Why not? "

Because he is clearly trying to hijack credit for the bailout, but the deal is already 98% done regardless of his involvement. It's just a ploy....a vapid one too.

9/25/2008 8:00:19 AM

Quote :

"If the debates are, in fact, cancelled, I think Friday night would be a good chance to arrange a debate amongst the third-party candidates. Why not?"

Easy, I know you think McCain is the worst politician in the history of the world because of this...

but he was talking about the possibility of third-party candidates

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 8:10 AM. Reason : ^]

9/25/2008 8:10:42 AM

someone needs to tell Bill Clinton to stfu

9/25/2008 8:48:11 AM

what did he say now?


I thought his Daily Show appearance on Tuesday was fine. He clearly stated "we want Obama to win", and Jon Stewart cut to the chase and called BS on all the pundits who are doing nothing but arguing if the Clintons are being supportive enough of Obama. They have both stated many times that they want Obama to win, and their actions have supported that. What else can you expect them to do?

9/25/2008 8:53:10 AM

Fresh state polls out this morning. Obama leading in NC?

North Carolina - Rasmussen
Obama 49
McCain 47

Wisconsin - Research2000
Obama 49
McCain 43

Maine - SurveyUSA
Obama 49
McCain 44

Michigan - EPIC-MRA
Obama 48
McCain 38

9/25/2008 8:53:25 AM

awesome!

as of this morning, realclearpolitics.com has changed NC from "leaning McCain" to "Toss up"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

9/25/2008 8:55:18 AM

9/25/2008 8:58:15 AM

yeah yeah, no need to rain on our parade yet

9/25/2008 9:00:47 AM

the sad thing is, this doesnt phase me because both candidates are such poor choices in my eyes im pretty numb about the whole thing at this point.

9/25/2008 9:00:51 AM

Quote :

"Former President Bill Clinton defended Sen. John McCain's request to delay the first presidential debate, saying McCain did it in "good faith" and pushed organizers to reserve time for economy talk during the debate if the Friday plans move forward."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 9:07 AM. Reason : .]

9/25/2008 9:06:35 AM

^ I told you. Me and BC are rock-solid.

9/25/2008 9:53:22 AM

Don't you guys get it? Bill Clinton is a private citizen now. He sells books, gives speeches, and makes TV and radio appearances. Conservative money is just as good as liberal money, he doesn't want to piss off either side.

9/25/2008 9:59:53 AM

Might be already posted but...

McCain wants Palin-Biden debate pushed back as well

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/mccain-camp-let.html

Doesn't surprise me at all, do we ever get to see this woman? It is bad enough that they already accommodated the McCain campaign's request to shorten the Q and A in the VP debates, now they are giving her more time to study up. I wouldn't be shocked if they found a way to scrub the VP debate altogether

9/25/2008 10:00:12 AM

Quote :

"Don't you guys get it? Bill Clinton is a private citizen now. He sells books, gives speeches, and makes TV and radio appearances. Conservative money is just as good as liberal money, he doesn't want to piss off either side."

I don't think conservatives are all of a sudden going to fall in love with Bill Clinton and pay out the ass for him to give a speech at one of their functions because of one thing he says in the media.

9/25/2008 10:04:20 AM

They aren't going to fall in love with him but now that his wife is out of the race, there is absolutely no incentive for him to play the part of a partisan attack dog against John McCain.

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 10:13 AM. Reason : :]

9/25/2008 10:13:31 AM

He's not just another citizen, he's a very prominent and very popular Democrat ex-president. And what happened to his 'powerful endorsement' of Obama at the DNC?

Quote :

"Former President Clinton forcefully endorsed Barack Obama's bid for the White House on Wednesday, telling delegates to the Democratic convention that Obama is "ready to lead America and restore American leadership in the world." ... Last winter, Clinton said that after "all the mean things" the Obama campaign had said about him, "I should be the last person to defend him. (But) if he wins this nomination, I'm going to do what I can to help him win." "

http://cbs5.com/national/clinton.obama.denver.2.804814.html

He's not so "forceful" now and he's not exactly doing everything he can do to help him win. Seems a bit weird to me.

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 10:20 AM. Reason : link]

9/25/2008 10:20:17 AM

That doesn't matter, what matters is the candidates themselves right now.

9/25/2008 10:34:23 AM

He's going to be campaigning for him in several states, including Pennsylvania. In fact, the Obama campaign has outlined several states Clinton will be campaigning for him in. He's flatly said multiple times that he believes Obama will win the election that he is the best choice for America.

The only thing he's not doing is outright bashing John McCain. Hell, it's not like he gave McCain's actions his full endorsement or even said it was the right thing to do. All he said was that people shouldn't try to paint it in a political light and that bipartisanship is needed during this crisis. How is that weird? Don't get me wrong, I would love Bill Clinton to come out be the one to call out the McCain campaign for all it's bullshit, but I totally understand why he isn't.

9/25/2008 10:34:56 AM

I called up Bill last night and he was like....

"John Mc-Cain!
John Mc-Cain!
USA!
John Mc-Cain!"

We both laffed

9/25/2008 11:00:39 AM

Socks, did you give up on your noble posting in here when you realized your pick for president is a joke? You were doing such a good job of educating us on the weaknesses of Obama and the strengths of your boy. I took a couple weeks off and I come back and it looks like you've mailed this thing in and given up hope that your candidate will get elected come Nov.

9/25/2008 11:04:16 AM

^ I've given up hope of having any descent discussions on policy until after the election. So I find other ways to kill time until then.

I keep trying every once in a while, though. Kainen made some good points about health care policy that even led to its own multi-page thread, though it died off after a while. So I haven't totally lost hope.

9/25/2008 11:15:29 AM

Quote :

"I mean, it seems like people already hate McCain and Palin more than Dubya "

Palin smells rotten. Forget balance of power and due process; instead of her showing her innocence instead she ignores the hearing into possible scandal alleging it is really just a part of the liberal conspiracy!!

Palin will fill Darth Cheney's shoes very well

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 11:21 AM. Reason : d]

9/25/2008 11:19:53 AM

Quote :

"Couric: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight? Palin: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie - that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us. Couric: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more. Palin: He's also known as the maverick though, taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about - the need to reform government. Couric: But can you give me any other concrete examples? Because I know you've said Barack Obama is a lot of talk and no action. Can you give me any other examples in his 26 years of John McCain truly taking a stand on this? Palin: I can give you examples of things that John McCain has done, that has shown his foresight, his pragmatism, and his leadership abilities. And that is what America needs today. Couric: I'm just going to ask you one more time - not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation. Palin: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/24/eveningnews/main4476173.shtml

She's PERFECT for McCain.

9/25/2008 12:04:09 PM

Did anyone see Letterman the other night where McCain blew him off to "race back to Washington" to help out. And then they find out that he's in a nearby studio being interviewed by Katie Couric. That did not look good for him.



[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 12:32 PM. Reason : n/m [old], but maybe others missed it]

9/25/2008 12:31:06 PM

Quote :

"I don't understand why McCain would have suspended his campaign after dropping in the polls so steadily."

The thing is, outside of the threat of pulling a chicken at the debates he hasn't suspdended a damn thing. It sure hasnt' stopped his campaign members on TV slamming Obama (Nancy Ptolenwhatever today, and others) and his ads are still up as reported in battleground states. Explain to me how he has suspended anything except for this being a publicity stunt like the GOP convention with Gustav?
Whenever he is losing he acts rash like this and gets all panicked, that's precisely why I don't want this guy NEAR the white house. Yeah let's elevate another stupid, stubborn, impetuous, self-centered candidate there.

And to top that, there are rumors floating that he could have had a stroke...in his speech his left eye and face was noticeably sagging and twitching today despite the heavy makeup. It's speculation at this point but given his age it's absoultely plausible and would be why his campaign would freak for a second. If it IS a stroke, as voters we should have a right to know about it. That's serious business...there are poeple that need to consider PALIN (lol) as a high probability of assuming the presidency.

Here's a link to the pic of what they are talking about: http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/draft-anybody-else-notice-anything.html

9/25/2008 12:56:42 PM

^ The explanation seems like bullshit, kind of like the rumor that Palin was never pregnant (although that one did have a viable offspring-- no pun intended).

9/25/2008 1:08:53 PM

lol at being upset about McCain being "dishonest" and "misleading"

and then treating an unfounded rumor as very serious business

9/25/2008 1:11:17 PM

^ Seriously.

9/25/2008 1:12:53 PM

I was implying if it WERE true it would be serious business to know. I don't think it is mind you, but its not far fetched either.

9/25/2008 1:28:57 PM

"If a candidate for president had a stroke and kept it a secret, it would be serious business."

Ah yes, I agree now that you pointed it out. All this time, I cared little about potential health issues that would severly affect a president's ability to do his job.

Various postings on blogs and discussions of if he had a stroke and its cover-up is going to have no other effect than putting doubt in people's minds that McCain is healthy enough to be president, which is based in nothing other than a couple of still photos and discussion of his makeup artist. Where's the outrage over that misleading information?

9/25/2008 1:37:01 PM

Breaking news 20 minutes ago:

Quote :

"AP - The bipartisan consensus on the general direction of the legislation was reported just hours before President Bush was to host presidential contenders Barack Obama and John McCain and congressional leaders at the White House for discussions on how to clear obstacles to the unpopular rescue plan."

Whoops, sorry McCain. Maybe you'll get your manufactured gimmick bullshit 10 seconds of fame elsewhere, this had nothing to do with you. Now you look stupid.

9/25/2008 1:37:06 PM

Bollocks! John McCain forced those clowns in Washington to get this legislation passed by the sheer force of his will. We need to get this man into the oval office asap.

9/25/2008 1:42:06 PM

Quote :

" Excerpts from Palin’s Interview With Couric, Part II Mandatory credit: the CBS EVENING NEWS WITH KATIE COURIC http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4478156n COURIC: You’ve cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that? PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land– boundary that we have with– Canada. It– it’s funny that a comment like that was– kind of made to– cari– I don’t know, you know? Reporters– COURIC: Mock? PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that’s the word, yeah. COURIC: Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials. PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our– our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They’re in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia— COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians? PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We– we do– it’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is– from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to– to our state. "

HAHAHAHAHAHA. She's so awful.

9/25/2008 2:42:21 PM

whats so bad about that? oh yeah, Palin said it, so Kainen is gonna act like its the worst shit ever, even though theres nothing wrong with anything you just quoted unless you want to take issue with the "We- we-" slight stutters, but since Obama averages 17 "uh's" per answer I doubt you'd want to go there

9/25/2008 3:10:17 PM

This interview is a trainwreck, she isn't qualified at all for anything. Now you know why they've been shielding her as long as they could...

Everything about McCain's campaign is ONE BIG GIMMICK. How you don't see that is beyond me. From the ads, to the VP pick, to the strategy, to the grandstanding and posturing, it's all one big act. The fact that you could vote for that with any type of enthusiasm makes me feel sorry for you.

9/25/2008 3:13:11 PM