So what you are saying is they offered balanced viewpoints? I'm still trying to figure out how this helps the middle class as Newt proclaimed. He couldn't articulate it. You'd think the left leaning NPR would have tried to nail him on that.

1/21/2010 9:01:02 PM

Quote :

"Another way of interpreting this is that liberals are not very politically aware and perhaps, that is even why they are liberal to begin with."

More people listen to NPR than listen to Rush Limbaugh or watch Fox News. And you were just arguing how liberal NPR is.

Quote :

"Washington-based NPR will release new figures to its stations today showing that the cumulative audience for its daily news programs hit 20.9 million a week, a 9 percent increase over the previous year."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032302972.html

Quote :

"As of 2006[update], Arbitron ratings indicated that The Rush Limbaugh Show had a minimum weekly audience of 13.5 million listeners"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh

Quote :

"Fox News averaged 2.25 million total viewers in prime time for the third quarter"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/fox-news-dominates-3q-200_n_304260.html




They're not apples-to-apples comparisons, but you get my point.



[Edited on January 21, 2010 at 9:17 PM. Reason : ]

1/21/2010 9:03:31 PM

After thinking about it for a second, Fox is probably more popular, since we're comparing weekly averages v. prime time averages. That's to be expected, though, given that they're two separate medium.

But speaking of Fox-- MSNBC + CNN are usually about equal with Fox's total numbers (and this is excluding the "liberal" broadcast news reports)


And even still, conservative media has a near monopoly on punditry.

1/21/2010 9:55:46 PM

38 pages wow

38 pages of liberals bashing Fox News and conservatives defending it.

But one thing I don't get is when you bring up the Haiti thing being discussed more on CNN and MSNBC's primetime lineup compared to Fox News is funny.

First off what happened in Haiti is tragic but really how long can you talk about devastation and show bodies on the street. Its not like the world is blind to what is going on. Fox News also knows that while things are happening in Port-Au-Prince, the health care debate is still on going. Or perhaps Washington should stop what they are doing because of what happened in Haiti. Americans are already doing a whole lot to help. Don't think that CNN and MSNBC aren't doing this Haiti coverage for ratings, plus both networks aren't against the Democrats Healthcare reform.

1/21/2010 10:24:30 PM

....what

1/22/2010 1:28:38 AM

....what

1/22/2010 1:29:46 AM

Quote :

"And even still, conservative media has a near monopoly on punditry."

wat?

1/22/2010 8:05:42 AM

For every major liberal pundit you can list, I'll list five conservative pundits.

1/22/2010 10:47:00 AM

Fantastic, but even if it were true that it's 5:1 I hardly think that constitutes a "near monopoly" on pundits. No show that wishes to address "both sides" of an issue have any difficult finding a talking head republican and a talking head democrat. Yes, Fox News is undeniably slanted towards the political right, but that hardly means that there is some dearth of left leaning shows on other cable news networks.

1/22/2010 12:51:56 PM

I'm not talking about a dearth of liberal slant. I'm talking about a dearth of liberal punditry.

1/22/2010 12:56:58 PM

Like I said, if you even need one they aren't hard to find.

1/22/2010 12:59:57 PM

That has zero bearing on their total number. Or whether liberals listen to the ones that do exist.

1/22/2010 1:22:49 PM

?

can i help?

1/23/2010 1:33:41 AM

1/26/2010 2:11:59 PM

1/26/2010 7:00:22 PM

http://bluenc.com/purple-news#new

Quote :

" There is a lot of political polarization in which outlets people trust. 74% of Republicans trust Fox News, but no more than 23% trust any of the other four sources. We already knew that conservatives don't trust the mainstream media but this data is a good prism into just how deep that distrust runs. For Democrats the numbers are a complete opposite- a majority trust all of ABC, CBS, CNN, and NBC while only 30% have faith in Fox News. Continuing the trend in our polling over the last few months that independents hate everything, a plurality of them distrust all five outlets we looked at. NBC is the most popular choice among Democrats at a 62/17 spread. Although 'NBC News' was the entity named in the question it's possible respondents could have been lumping MSNBC in with it given the good numbers on the left. At a 17/69 spread CBS was the least popular with Republicans, perhaps indicating residual unhappiness from the Dan Rather days. CNN finished second among Democrats, Republicans, and independents suggesting that it may be the least polarizing of the major tv news operations. These numbers suggest quite a shift in what Americans want from their news. A generation ago Walter Cronkite was the most trusted man in the country because of his neutrality. Now people trust Fox the most precisely because of its lack of neutrality. It says a lot about where journalism is headed. "

1/26/2010 11:36:56 PM

dude failed in the next to last sentence. It's not just Fox that people "trust for a lack of neutrality," if they ever trusted it for that reason to begin with.

1/27/2010 12:33:10 AM

So, I'm guessing Beck and O'Reilly won't be having that dude who posed as a pimp to "expose" ACORN on anytime soon. Just saying...

1/27/2010 8:15:07 AM

I know, right. I want to hear more about this story, lol.

1/27/2010 6:01:28 PM

^^^^ I think Fox has clearly shown themselves to be the least trustworthy, but I don't really trust any of the TV news outlets much to begin with.

I'm surprised the numbers for republicans though are so high for Fox. And I think it's humorous that the article phrases it like Fox ISN'T part of the "mainstream" media. I guess though it's this type of shoddy syntax that helps Fox always seem like the "underdog."

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 6:23 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2010 6:21:22 PM

you only think that because you don't agree with their politics.

Have you forgotten the 60 Minutes fiasco? Where forged documents were posted as real ones without any real attempt at verification, with the clear and obvious intent to try and sway an election that was only 2 months away? Come on, dude.

Quote :

"I guess though it's this type of shoddy syntax that helps Fox always seem like the "underdog.""

I have my doubts that the original article was posted by a republican sympathizer...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Policy_Polling

Quote :

"Public Policy Polling (PPP) is an American, Democratic Party-affiliated polling firm based in Raleigh, North Carolina. PPP was founded in 2001 by businessman and Democratic pollster Dean Debnam, the firm's current president and chief executive officer."

1/27/2010 7:28:39 PM

Quote :

"A generation ago Walter Cronkite was the most trusted man in the country because of his neutrality. the mainstream media had a monopoly on information distribution and no one knew he was full of BS."

1/27/2010 7:30:42 PM

Between Fox and Friends, Hannity, Beck, and O’Reilly, there’s no way any rational person can say that the other networks are equal in nuttiness. It has nothing to do with “politics” with these guys, unless you think seriously questioning the president’s birth, saying the president hates whites, saying the president supports terrorist (especially in the climate of the world today), saying the president is communist, and doing so on a regular basis is plain, old, irrationality. It has little to do with partisanship.

The 60 Minutes thing was pretty disgusting, but it was very, very quickly determined to be a fake. The only ones you can really consistently pick on are Maddow (whos show i don’t and wouldn’t watch because of her voice), and Olbermann.

1/27/2010 7:35:28 PM

"very very quickly determined" by who??? And the media was largely silent on it for the first week or so hoping the issue would go away (like how they successfully played the Acorn story)

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 7:38 PM. Reason : s]

1/27/2010 7:38:10 PM

haha, hell, with Beck, alone, the nuttiness is hard to refute. But my point is only to say that the other networks are just as biased, and you only see fox as being "horrible" because you dislike their viewpoint. BTW, O'Reilly is hardly nutty. If anything, he's the most balanced guy on FoxNews

1/27/2010 7:38:15 PM

forget it

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 9:46 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2010 9:46:17 PM

Quote :

" BTW, O'Reilly is hardly nutty. If anything, he's the most balanced guy on FoxNews"

This is true, but it doesn’t say much.

O’Reilly has also changed in temperament a bit since Obama was elected too.

Quote :

""very very quickly determined" by who??? And the media was largely silent on it for the first week or so hoping the issue would go away (like how they successfully played the Acorn story) "

The typography freaks are really particular about their typography, and their arguments from the beginning were very compelling to anyone even vaguely familiar with the world of typography (which I am…). Then as soon as the docs were released online, it was immediately apparent it was fake, since anyone with Microsoft Word could type up the text, and see it lined up 100%.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 11:06 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2010 11:01:05 PM

Quote :

"The only ones you can really consistently pick on are Maddow (whos show i don’t and wouldn’t watch because of her voice), and Olbermann."

Don't forget the paternalistic racism of ....

Quote :

"Chris Matthews MSNBC: 'I Forgot Obama Was Black for an Hour'"

1/28/2010 10:07:37 AM

my dad no longer likes Bill O'Reilly because "he's become a liberal"

1/28/2010 10:16:37 AM

I really don't like the young turks, but its the only reference to this Beck thing i could find

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsYuT_c77GI&feature=popular

1/28/2010 3:56:25 PM

So it's come to this at Fox "News" I see:

Quote :

"The I's Have It: Obama Hits 96 I's in Tampa, Fla Much attention has been given to President Obama's persistent use of "I" when giving speeches to sell his administration's agenda. Is he taking responsibility -- or, as his critics say, is he still in campaign mode? FoxNews.com is tracking the president's speeches all this month and will report back after each to see whether The "I's" Have It."

Wow. Reminds me of the daily show segment where they show fox opinionators asking asinine questions then fox news programs reporting that "critics" have been all over said asinine topic and so they "report" on it.

1/29/2010 8:05:26 AM

1/29/2010 11:08:39 AM

Obama Offers Budget With Deficits As Far as Number-Crunchers Can See

2/1/2010 12:09:26 AM

now THAT is fair and balanced, lol

2/1/2010 12:20:54 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/01/us/politics/01budget.html
$100 Billion Increase in Deficit Is Forecast

I'm posting this just to help its Google Page rank

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 12:39 AM. Reason : ]

2/1/2010 12:38:54 AM

2/1/2010 4:20:22 PM

A+ leaf

2/1/2010 5:11:59 PM

2/2/2010 3:17:11 PM

[Edited on February 2, 2010 at 3:31 PM. Reason : 0]

2/2/2010 3:20:41 PM

Does anyone else watch Fox news as if it were satire? Well, whenever I do watch Fox news that is. But yeah, IMO, Fox news is evil in the sense that they prey on the less intelligent/less informed.

2/2/2010 11:38:33 PM

^ yeah

Quote :

"You idiots are being used. Think for yourselves. If the Fox Network believes it so wholeheartedly, how could it possibly be in your interest? They’ll take your ratings, sure, so they can sell you Charmin and $5 footlongs. I mean, Jesus, how can you not see that? If you had real allies that powerful, don’t you think someone would have taken care of you by now? "

http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/02/02/we-the-tea-partiers/

2/3/2010 12:09:18 AM

2/3/2010 6:38:41 AM

Oh I'm sorry you've mistaken fox news for an advocacy organization. I don't think their audience expects that sort of thing from a news org

2/3/2010 7:29:56 AM

CUT THE FEED!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-1-2010/q---o

2/3/2010 8:29:36 AM

ITT: Solinari expresses his admiration for Fox News

2/3/2010 11:31:24 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/03/obama-reaches-washington-dc/

L-O-L

2/3/2010 6:04:57 PM

http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/things-get-heated-between-bill-oreilly-and-jon-stewart--967

2/4/2010 12:00:50 PM

^ fucking hilarious

2/4/2010 12:19:33 PM

do you consider your audience is a bunch of stoned slackers. LOL

2/4/2010 12:42:11 PM

oh those two

been going at it for years... always a treat

2/4/2010 12:55:14 PM