who gives a crap...fine his ass and move on. Sports media is as political as talk radio.

9/30/2014 8:57:10 AM

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"2. They decide with as hard as football is on the body anyways and all of the injuries they are going to not allow the hurry up offense anymore outside of the final 2 minutes of each half. Basically each team will be given a chance to substitue after each play before the ball is placed down and ready for play. "

It was dropped last year, http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/03/05/college-football-rules-committee-pace-of-play/6036617/
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a tweaked version of this back on the table at the end of this season.

9/30/2014 9:12:23 AM

Why is it so hard to believe that they might have faked a few injuries to slow down our no-huddle offense?

It's not as if it only occurred once or twice. And it happened multiple times after several plays into a no-huddle drive, when we were moving, after a positive play, at least once or twice in the red zone. And if you were there and not watching it on tv, you'd have seen how long they were taking to sit up and slowly limp off the field, longer than your average injury. I'm not saying that injuries shouldn't be taken seriously, and i'm not saying any specific one was not an injury (i'm sure there were some legit injuries), but there were multiple factors that happened multiple times that made them seem a little suspicious.

9/30/2014 9:12:27 AM

It's too hard to say which ones are real and which ones are fake.

FSU had a DT go down and the fans booed but the guy was out the rest of the game and was actually injured. I think the booing should come when a guy goes down and then goes right back in 2 plays later. I really don't think FSU was faking against us, they were scoring at will against us and basically waiting for us to make a mistake on offense(finally happened twice in the 2nd half).

Georgia Southern on the other hand would have a guy go down, miss a play, then go back in and a play or two later he'd go back down, rinse and repeat.

Only good way to do it is to start forcing players that leave the field in those situations to stay out a certain number of plays or the rest of the drive.

9/30/2014 9:26:00 AM

#90 was the one everybody boo'd at, he came back the next play

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 9:35 AM. Reason : Booed? ]

9/30/2014 9:35:04 AM

And DD apologizes for comments. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11616390/nc-state-wolfpack-coach-dave-doeren-apologizes-florida-state-seminoles-fake-injury-allegations

9/30/2014 9:36:22 AM

9/30/2014 10:00:48 AM

i'm not convinced that anyone saying that they weren't trying to slow the drive with injuries actually watched the game, or much football in general

9/30/2014 10:15:19 AM

^Agreed. Also, it's not like the coaches have to be the one to give that direction. They players can make that decision on their own if they need a rest or want to give their teammates a rest too. Players are savvy and have some level of autonomy.

9/30/2014 10:40:49 AM

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"It's too hard to say which ones are real and which ones are fake. FSU had a DT go down and the fans booed but the guy was out the rest of the game and was actually injured. I think the booing should come when a guy goes down and then goes right back in 2 plays later. I really don't think FSU was faking against us, they were scoring at will against us and basically waiting for us to make a mistake on offense(finally happened twice in the 2nd half)."

ding ding ding

it's clear that he got a little too wrapped up into the emotion of the game and the crowd booing and it swayed him to make the comments he did.

again, I'm not arguing about the authenticity of the injuries, just the fact that a coach shouldn't be commenting on them, especially directly after a game.

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 10:50 AM. Reason : .]

9/30/2014 10:46:51 AM

The fans were booing because it happened multiple times, during no-huddle drives, after several positive plays, one or two where we had quickly drove to the red zone, and the "injured" took much longer to get up and limp off than your average injury. Multiple times. I don't agree with the booing, it is unclassy, but it happened under suspicious circumstances multiple times that made it very suspicious, suspicious enough that our coach mentioned it in the press conference...

Just because several were legit injuries doesn't mean several weren't faked. I'm glad DD mentioned it the way he did, and I'm glad he apologized later.

9/30/2014 10:53:09 AM

^^

So now you're backing off the concussion angle and adding in an argument about fans booing?? Just trying to figure out where you may jump to next.


(btw...I'm against fans booing injuries as well)

9/30/2014 10:58:16 AM

Heather Dinich looks like a giraffe here

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11616390/nc-state-wolfpack-coach-dave-doeren-apologizes-florida-state-seminoles-fake-injury-allegations

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 11:00 AM. Reason : ^^ +1]

9/30/2014 11:00:02 AM

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"So now you're backing off the concussion angle and adding in an argument about fans booing?? Just trying to figure out where you may jump to next. (btw...I'm against fans booing injuries as well)"

I'm not backing off anything and I'm not jumping anywhere next. my point the entire time has been that a coach should be above questioning injuries. if you're against fans booing injuries, why are you ok with a coach questioning them?

9/30/2014 11:08:44 AM

Did #90 Eddie Goldman come back in the next play? If not, how long was he out?

9/30/2014 11:10:26 AM

Fans booed every injury. Coach takes the whole situation into context and makes a general statement. If one or two of those guys were faking (and I imagine at least one was), then it's a legit statement that attention needs to be drawn to.

I don't think it makes him look great, but if gets league officials to seriously consider changes to the rule, then I think it's a net positive. And I think you're extremely overreacting to how bad it makes him look and possible consequences from it.

9/30/2014 11:11:35 AM

^^^because it's probably easier for a coach to tell if a player is truly injured vs. Joe Schmoe is Section 25 Row O. And the boos were for specific incidents. The coach's comments were vague and could have been referring to the actual fake injuries and not the legit injuries.

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 11:14 AM. Reason : ^]

9/30/2014 11:13:16 AM

^^ I never said anything about any consequences, just that it isn't a good look, which you agreed with me on

^ it's impossible for a coach to see all 22 players on the field at the same time, especially from field level. I'm guessing that he went back and looked at the tape, saw that they weren't as bad as he originally thought, and that's why he has apologized

if anything, the complaint would have been more valid had he made it after reviewing the film and not right after the game, in the heat of it all

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2014 11:46:15 AM

what a fucking pussy

-infinity credibility, do not pass go, do not collect $200

9/30/2014 11:46:41 AM

When does he apologize to the fans for his horrible coaching?

9/30/2014 11:54:32 AM

^ give it a rest guy (or gal)

^^^i seriously doubt that's why he apologized.

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 12:07 PM. Reason : ]

9/30/2014 12:05:18 PM

Is there any way to curb the fake injuries other than forcing a defensive player out for the remainder of the drive if their injury stops the game? What if the offense isn't running a 2 minute drill, would injuries be allowed then?

I have zero doubt that fake injuries happen to occasionally slow the game down, but the issue is there's not much of a way to deal with it (especially given the current scrutiny on player safety)

9/30/2014 12:11:10 PM

^^ Yeah...I doubt he apologized because he thought he was wrong. Yow probably called him and said..."you've made your point, lets make the thegoodlife3's of the world happy and issue a nice little apology."

^ I think the league should word it more as a, "let's keep these players safe and make sure they really aren't injured before they get put back in" instead of a "we've got to stop these fake injuries" type rule. I don't see how that wouldn't work.

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 12:45 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2014 12:23:04 PM

yep. I asked for an apology. that's it.

9/30/2014 12:30:47 PM

I imagine they could hear your moaning from this thread.


College Football Daily just talked about FSU and fake injuries. Former player mentioned that they had hand signals to call for a "fake injury" when offenses were rolling and they needed a break and some substitutions. They then talked about holding injured players out longer.

Not saying it's going to make a difference, but they wouldn't have talked about it if Doeren hadn't said something. GG Coach D.

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2014 1:55:23 PM

^Yup. Doeren got exactly what was needed from it, then he apologized to make the peace.


Golic from Mike and Mike talked about it a while ago and said it was common among NFL teams to have the same type of signal. He actually told a story about one time the signal coming from his coach and like three players went down at the same time with an "injury".

9/30/2014 2:05:59 PM

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"Is there any way to curb the fake injuries other than forcing a defensive player out for the remainder of the drive if their injury stops the game? What if the offense isn't running a 2 minute drill, would injuries be allowed then?"

The team is docked a timeout if the "injured" player comes back onto the field in the same drive as he went off injured. That's fair, and it protects the team from being penalized for truly injured players.

Essentially, teams are buying an extra timeout and killing momentum by just falling down.

9/30/2014 2:15:58 PM

^Yeah I like that way of doing it

9/30/2014 2:17:34 PM

The NFL charges timeouts for injuries (in the last 2 minutes), no?

9/30/2014 2:18:01 PM

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"I imagine they could hear your moaning from this thread."

the same moaning that you eventually agreed with?

9/30/2014 2:18:42 PM

wasn't your point that Doeren shouldn't have said anything. and that "injuries should always get the benefit of the doubt"?

9/30/2014 2:23:02 PM

^^^Isn't it a timeout or a 10 second run off? I mean, that's nice in the last 2 mins. But you definitely can't have that kind of a rule all game long.

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 2:24 PM. Reason : s]

9/30/2014 2:23:55 PM

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"the same moaning that you eventually agreed with?"

I said it was a net positive. It doesn't make him look great, but it draws attention to something that desperately needed it. So I'm okay with it, you are not.

You said:

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"it's a horrible look for a coach to complain publicly about it"

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"it just feeds into the us vs. them mentality and I think it's a bit ridiculous"

Then you went babbling on about concussions.

9/30/2014 2:26:53 PM

I simply said that it wasn't a good look and then gave examples of why it could be an even worse look

not really seeing how you're unable to gather that, other than just being a fan of arguing on the internet

9/30/2014 2:34:38 PM

You said it was "horrible" and "ridiculous"....not just "wasn't a good look".

While I do like to argue...I was just defending our coach.

9/30/2014 2:56:02 PM

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"other than just being a fan of arguing on the internet"

9/30/2014 3:00:10 PM

^^ oh, so semantics

and I'm not gonna defend a guy just because he happens to coach my favorite team. if anything, I'd hold him to a higher standard

^ all I'm doing is responding to people and defending my points

9/30/2014 3:03:31 PM

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"all I'm doing is responding to people and defending my points"

how is that not the exact definition of arguing?

9/30/2014 3:07:48 PM

not when it's simply clarifying your stance

is every conversation an argument?

9/30/2014 3:09:56 PM

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"is every conversation an argument?"

Wait are you disputing the fact that you're currently engaged in an argument on the internet???

9/30/2014 3:15:00 PM

I said..., you said...

Yall are worse than talk radio.

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"The NFL charges timeouts for injuries (in the last 2 minutes), no?"

What happens if the team with the injured player doesn't have any more timeouts? Delay of game penalty?

9/30/2014 3:15:03 PM

^^^That's debatable

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 3:15 PM. Reason : x]

9/30/2014 3:15:09 PM

^^^ a person who I'm engaging with said they are a fan of arguing

all I've been doing is responding to his responses to me

I've never said anything about enjoying arguing, which is what you accused me of

9/30/2014 3:19:04 PM

So now you're arguing on the internet about how you're not a fan of arguing on the internet.

9/30/2014 3:20:25 PM

yeah man, you got me

9/30/2014 3:21:17 PM

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"and I'm not gonna defend a guy just because he happens to coach my favorite team."

I defended him because I thought what he said was correct and will ultimately benefit the team.

9/30/2014 3:25:34 PM

which is fine

we just happen to think differently

(other than the fact that it's not a great look )

9/30/2014 3:29:23 PM

I'm shocked that Gold is going to keep harping on this, SHOCKED I tell you.

9/30/2014 4:28:53 PM

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"#90 was the one everybody boo'd at, he came back the next play"

No he didn't. The ball was fumbled the next play. He came back the next series after receiving treatment.

9/30/2014 5:59:16 PM

If he's going to complain I'd rather see him stick to complaining about something that may actually help the team in the immediate future.

Complain about holds. The refs might keep a better eye out for holds in the next game (lol). There's a tiny chance that the complaining may make a difference.

Complain about fake injuries. The refs... I guess there's the small chance that the NCAA could step in and update the rules for next season.

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 6:27 PM. Reason : -]

9/30/2014 6:27:06 PM