The right kind of complaining on the sideline might get the refs to watch for something more closely.

The wrong kind of complaining on the sideline will get the refs to ignore something completely.

Complaining in the media does absolutely nothing on game day.

9/30/2014 6:39:27 PM

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"Complain about holds. The refs might keep a better eye out for holds in the next game (lol)."

he mentioned that in the same few minutes that he mentioned the fake injuries.

9/30/2014 8:02:28 PM

^^^^ ah. OK, so they threw a pick 2 plays later and he was back. He sat out 3 plays.

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 8:53 PM. Reason : ~]

9/30/2014 8:53:13 PM

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"Complaining in the media does absolutely nothing on game day."

Watch out we got a NCCAF officiating expert UP IN HERE!!!!

Also do you mean the very next game day, or all game days in the future?

9/30/2014 10:39:48 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/09/30/4196333_has-fsu-added-the-tomahawk-drop.html

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"What really happened here is that Doeren, not Fisher, broke a rule. That rule is that major college coaches should never, ever be candid. But for a brief shining news cycle, it was nice to see an element of truth pierce the fog. College teams are increasingly going to fast-paced offenses to keep defenses off balance and tire them. Defenses are responding by slowing the clock whenever and however they can. It’s a perfectly sensible and legal response, but not an honest one.... ...Maybe Florida State wasn’t faking injuries, but it’s happening. As ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit told Al.com last year, “No one is talking about this, but look for more fake injuries by the defense. I’ve talked to defensive coaches. These guys are actually practicing faking injuries.”"

10/1/2014 10:08:05 AM

gg Doeren.

10/1/2014 10:25:23 AM

I mean all they have to do is have a guy or two that is the most easily replaced on the defense be told if the guys are getting tired you need to have "cramps" then you dont even have to let the training staff in on it. They come in, stretch you out, you limp off to the sideline while your buddies get to rest, they replace you with a capable guy, and a few plays and some gatorade later you are fine and ready to go.

Unfortunately, unless you have a case where its obvious like when a signal comes in and three guys fall down its pretty hard to enforce. Until the rules change expect this to happen more and more to us.

10/1/2014 10:57:58 AM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/doeren-has-every-right-to-speak-his-mind/14033816/

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"N.C. State football coach Dave Doeren spoke his mind Saturday and Monday when he criticized both the officiating and some of Florida State’s defensive actions in his team’s 56-41 loss. In doing so, Doeren joined a group of area college coaches who built reputations for occasionally having the gumption to say exactly what they were thinking. In alphabetical order, these are just a few such coaches: Lou Holtz, Mike Krzyzewski, Steve Logan, Dave Odom, Dean Smith, Steve Spurrier, Jim Valvano and Roy Williams... ...But I’ve got Doeren’s back on this one. What’s wrong with a head coach expressing his opinion? If it’s off-base, it’s off-base and that can be debated. But gag orders and mandated apologies, whether they’re ordered by schools and conference or even self-imposed, rarely benefit anyone. It struck me as amusing Tuesday when Doeren backed away. Fisher started the season by hotly criticizing The Citadel’s blocking tactics, but a few days later said, “They have a great program. They don’t teach (chop blocking).” Totally lost in the Doeren situation is a point he was trying to make when mentioning that Seminole injuries and/or dives served to stop the clock or at least slow State’s nonstop offensive flow. It’s a subject worthy of discussion by the rule makers, too..... ... "

10/1/2014 1:26:12 PM

I was ready to give him a pass on complaining about the refs if he came back strong this week.

Oh well. Still a bitch.

10/4/2014 4:11:56 PM

No credibility until we can get some ACC wins.

10/4/2014 4:13:09 PM

4-2 wo I ld be right on schedule at this point

10/4/2014 4:53:02 PM

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"what a fucking pussy -infinity credibility, do not pass go, do not collect $200"

10/4/2014 6:43:30 PM

He's 2 wins away from the minimum credibility he needed to reach this season

10/4/2014 6:47:10 PM

0-10 in the ACC.

10/4/2014 10:39:35 PM

It was that damn invisible holding again, right coach?

10/5/2014 8:07:20 AM

Before the season started I expected us to be at 4-2 at this point, and we're 4-2. I didn't expect to blank against Clemson, but I also didn't expect to show up so well against FSU, so I'll call it a wash. It's hard to be mad at a HC when he's right where you thought he'd be at this point in the season.

The real test will be to see what he does with the rest of it. I expect us to make a bowl, so let's see how we get there.

10/5/2014 8:07:32 AM

The problem is, even though we say we aren't going to fall for it again, a lot of people started drinking the koolaid after the FSU game. That was just a little carter Finley magic.

10/5/2014 9:20:47 AM

Death Valley is the anti Fsu game at the Carter. The overreaction to yesterday's shitshow is as uncalled for as ignoring the joke that his recruiting has been this year because we lost by two touchdowns to a good team. This year will be judged on the game next week, the GT game, Syracuse, etc

10/5/2014 11:55:39 AM

^There can't be overreaction to getting shut out while giving up 21 first quarter points (again) on the way to 0-10. Calling for DD to be fired now is completely reasonable.

10/5/2014 2:56:11 PM

just throw out last season. it sucked and i bitched as much or more than anyone else while it happened but it's over. we're 0-2 and the only game left that is a guaranteed loss in the louisville one

if we lose next week by all means burn him in effigy and throw shit on his lawn but wait til then

10/5/2014 3:20:32 PM

^^ let's keep one thing in mind though: the best we could hope for in a new coach would be the guy at lowe's that told you where to find the air filters.

[Edited on October 5, 2014 at 4:34 PM. Reason : ]

10/5/2014 4:34:10 PM

I would love to fire Doeren, but like others have said, who the hell is going to replace him? Last time we brought in a seemingly good coach with ToB, but he was just riding on the coat tails of Matt Ryan, just like Amato did with Rivers.

In other words we are stuck with Doeren until another coach wants to leave where they are or we offer the money needed to get one to leave. For how much money we put into facilities, you would think we can afford a good coach. We used to be the "football school" of North Carolina and now we can't even hold on to that.

The basketball program on the other hand is headed in the right direction.

10/5/2014 9:27:11 PM

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"Calling for DD to be fired now is completely reasonable."

No it's not you imbecile.

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"you would think we can afford a good coach"

It's not a matter of affording...

10/5/2014 10:43:11 PM

if we end with a losing acc record this year then we can talk about hot seat next season and if things don't get better next season i'd be willing to fire him but not after just 1 bad season and certainly not after just 2 losses to 2 pretty good teams who we should never EXPECT to beat.

10/5/2014 10:45:55 PM

You would let him have a 3rd try if we get 0 conference wins again?

10/5/2014 10:48:15 PM

well i mean why should we expect to beat any other acc team in the 2nd year of our program when they all have upperclassmen in their systems? I think its great that we already have 4 wins. in year 3 the excuses don't really have as much validity but I've seen huge progress from last year to this year.

10/5/2014 10:50:47 PM

I think you've just seen Jacoby.

10/5/2014 10:51:49 PM

We have over 50 freshman on our roster, fyi. That's like 60% of our roster that's freshmen.

10/5/2014 11:06:19 PM

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"You would let him have a 3rd try if we get 0 conference wins again?"

That's not where we're at dumbass.

[Edited on October 5, 2014 at 11:18 PM. Reason : And I'll put $texas on us not being there at the end of the season too.]

10/5/2014 11:17:52 PM

No shit dumbass. Wait, the season isn't over?!?!? I was asking him if that happens if he would give him a 3rd try.

10/5/2014 11:26:30 PM

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"There can't be overreaction to getting shut out while giving up 21 first quarter points (again) on the way to 0-10. Calling for DD to be fired now is completely reasonable."

I like firing coaches as much as the next guy, but fuck, dude, he's only had 18 games here, 12 of them with TOB's shit show leftovers.

10/6/2014 12:03:33 AM

He might be 0-10 in conference, but 40% of those games are against the best two teams in the ACC. We don't get to play the pussy ass Coastal Division every year.

10/6/2014 12:28:38 AM

I bet ECU could take out FSU.

10/6/2014 12:30:20 AM

FSU would probably win 52-33

10/6/2014 12:32:20 AM

This era of NC State Football will be exemplified by that "WHAT UP BIG TIME" recruiting letter the way Chuck Amato's clown shoes exemplified his era.

10/6/2014 7:48:19 AM

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" Last time we brought in a seemingly good coach with ToB, but he was just riding on the coat tails of Matt Ryan, just like Amato did with Rivers."

This isn't even close to being true. TOB wasn't a great coach. But he also wasn't riding the coattails of Matt Ryan.

10/6/2014 8:43:46 AM

there's an argument to be made tob would still be here if he didn't so blindly stand by mike archer.

10/6/2014 9:40:56 AM

I'd say he would still be here if he hadn't punted to Gio

10/6/2014 10:04:53 AM

Nah...he'd have gotten fired after last season IMO.

10/6/2014 10:52:36 AM

he would have done a shitload better last season than shitty doeren

wonder when our first acc win will be

10/6/2014 11:14:00 AM

^^depends. if he replaced him after two or three years like he should have and we actually played defense from then on out, it's difficult to measure the impact. could've changed recruiting, could've played for the championship/won the championship the year maryland came back against us, etc.

[Edited on October 6, 2014 at 11:15 AM. Reason : ]

10/6/2014 11:14:36 AM

TOB just didn't give a fuck. This was going to be his last big job and he was hoping to ride it out into retirement.

I still think DD will be fine...he just might have to clean house on the defensive side of coaching. Hux just isn't getting it done right now.

10/6/2014 11:17:04 AM

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"I still think DD will be fine."

I am genuinely curious. What makes you think DD will be fine? Our recruiting has been mediocre at best, we cant win a conference game, and we barely beat much worse non-conference games.

10/6/2014 11:29:21 AM

If the figure of >50 freshmen is true, we need to give him more time.

[Edited on October 6, 2014 at 11:31 AM. Reason : ]

10/6/2014 11:31:38 AM

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"he would have done a shitload better last season than shitty doeren wonder when our first acc win will be"

"a shitload better"...really? maybe...maybe...that team wins 2 more games. best case scenario. still looking at 5-7. and a pissed off fan base. TOB wasn't nearly as good as some of y'all are willing to give him credit for.

10/6/2014 11:47:35 AM

3-9 is so fucking bad that yeah a couple wins would be a shitload better

10/6/2014 11:49:34 AM

Last year we had an awful QB situation and bad defense. This year we have a much better QB situation and still have a bad defense. Biggest issue with defense is that the best players are really young - we'll get much better in the next 1-2 seasons. Even with that, I still look at Huxtable a lot like Archer at this point. We keep getting burnt and we've done nothing scheme-wise to try and switch it up.

We may not have the personnel/experience yet, but its not like our coaching on that side of the ball has really done much to inspire confidence either.

10/6/2014 11:58:51 AM

^^Well, sure. If you're saying TOB would've gotten last year's team to 5-7 I won't argue with that. I'm not 100% sure I buy that, but I don't think it's incredibly far-fetched. I'm glad we fired him when we did. It was the right move. It remains to be seen whether or not hiring DD was the right move. But canning TOB was.

Again...TOB wasn't that good. We had two future NFL starters under TOB and the best he ever did was a fucking 5-3 ACC record and a bowl win over West Virginia.

10/6/2014 1:26:35 PM

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"It remains to be seen whether or not hiring DD was the right move. But canning TOB was. "

This. Same as the Herb Sendek thing (yes I know he left on his own). It was still time to move on from Herb despite the fact the subsequent hire was flubbed.

10/6/2014 1:35:47 PM

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" I'm glad we fired him when we did"

Yeah, right before his bowl game was a pretty classy way to do it.

10/6/2014 1:36:54 PM