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"You are really asking a African American male does he know 10 cops "

How can my knowledge of you being African American tell me if you know anything about cops? I actually get to communicate with police and sheriff as part of my work (although I am not an LEO), and many people at my place of work are african americans, and every single one of them knows more than 10 LEOs. Again, you are the one stereotyping here based on your own very narrow bubble of what it means to be African-American.

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"Admirable attempt to redirect the topic, but this is about race relations, not understanding the mindset of a cop"

I didn't redirect he topic, you had some bogus way of testing accuracy of my opinion, and I showed you how bogus your method was.

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"How does pointing out that you will learn the stereotype make me racist?"

Because I will not learn stereotype. I will continue to treat people as individuals. Because racism is stereotyping people based on their race, and that's exactly what you do. If you can't even grasp that much, I don't need to waste my time trying to explain to you very basic concepts surrounding this topic.

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"I admire your white guilt, but you aren't fooling me."

I don't experience white guilt. In fact, from what I know about you, I dare to say that you had more opportunities in this life starting at birth than I did.

11/27/2014 1:19:05 AM

Unless you live in the Midwest, there's no good excuse to not have some non white friends.
http://www.randalolson.com/2014/04/29/u-s-racial-diversity-by-county/

[Edited on November 27, 2014 at 1:28 AM. Reason : ]

11/27/2014 1:26:59 AM

this what happens if you ram a cop with your car

11/27/2014 2:27:38 AM

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"How can my knowledge of you being African American tell me if you know anything about cops? I actually get to communicate with police and sheriff as part of my work (although I am not an LEO), and many people at my place of work are african americans, and every single one of them knows more than 10 LEOs. Again, you are the one stereotyping here based on your own very narrow bubble of what it means to be African-American."

Or are you assuming all African Americans are like the few you deal with on a day to day basis? If you don't mind sharing, what is it that you do that connects you with cops?

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"Because I will not learn stereotype. I will continue to treat people as individuals. Because racism is stereotyping people based on their race, and that's exactly what you do. If you can't even grasp that much, I don't need to waste my time trying to explain to you very basic concepts surrounding this topic."

Actually I'm speaking as a member of the group that is stereotyped. I'm speaking as the product of a single parent home. I'm speaking as an African American about how most single parent homes work. As I showed you with that link, his dad was not around growing up, so regardless of if you take my statement and run with it. In this case its accurate. Of course his "Dad" feels bad that his son is dead, but that doesn't make him a father. Which was my initial point.

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"I don't experience white guilt. In fact, from what I know about you, I dare to say that you had more opportunities in this life starting at birth than I did."

Now lets go ahead and snuff this out. You already admitted to growing up in a society so privileged that you didn't meet black people until 15 or so. How does one make it that long without seeing a black person? I dare say I may have more opportunities than you now because I worked my ass off to make something of myself. I grew up in po-dunk NC, single parent home, with 3 siblings, and a "father" spent 8 years of my childhood locked up. Do I need to continue with how much privilege I have over a white person?

I'll bet that I've been stopped and harassed more in the last year than you have in your entire life. I won't say cops in NC/VA are racist, but it is funny that a guy that has never had a speeding ticket has been pulled randomly more than 10 times in a year. I just tell my white friends how the cops love my car, thats the only reasonable, non-stereotyping conclusion I can make.

You and most of the other posters on this site like the life experiences to have a true conversation about race. I've been on both sides of this. I've been the poor black kid, I've been stereotyped, and now I'm solidly middle class. I can tell you stories about my life that will have you wondering if we grew up on the same planet. In my opinion you can't understand the mindset of a group if you've never been a member of it. I can't make a statement about rich people, I've never been rich to know what its like. And you can't make a statement about the dynamic of a poor black family. I mean you can, but its called STEREOTYPING.

11/27/2014 7:27:39 AM

11/27/2014 12:21:41 PM

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"^Meh I read that and was less than impressed. He essentially hit soft balls on both sides of the issue, and then used the classic black crutch of god fixing everything. "

eh I liked it in terms of one guy expressing a large multitude of reactions (beside the jesus will make everything right part) that a lot of people can relate to; I had a large range like that but of course I'm from a different perspective

in fact it kind of reminds me of this thread (which has some good arguments and also some utter shit) and I'm still on the fence about it like a lot of people

[Edited on November 27, 2014 at 3:28 PM. Reason : k]

11/27/2014 3:23:56 PM

nah

[Edited on November 27, 2014 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

11/27/2014 4:37:31 PM

This is ironic:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/ferguson-could-spark-renewed-interest-utah-case/

When Ferguson first hit the news, conservative blogs and news sites used this case as an example of reverse racism, because it was never reported on national media. They of course ignored the fact that this kid was given a grand jury hearing without any public outcry at all, where freaking Obama and the doj had to send some dirty looks to get even this far for Brown in Ferguson.

But now that Ferguson has sparked outrage over the whole process of police excessive force, since this guy's grand jury has also returned no Bill, he's getting extra attention.

11/28/2014 1:06:46 AM

This is what happens when keeping it real goes wrong.

11/28/2014 6:51:29 AM

seems like they were close enough to tase him rather than shoot him.

11/28/2014 10:05:09 AM

you don't use a taser on someone who potentially has a gun. a taser is not 100% reliable. they are not guaranteed to fire nor are they guaranteed to incapacitate and more importantly, someone who isn't incapacitated can still pull the gun and shoot it. and even if they can't aim, someone out there can get shot.

11/28/2014 10:31:09 AM

Uhhh is this for real?

11/28/2014 10:45:43 AM

i love the frown face hahaha

11/28/2014 11:09:03 AM

I looked it up, he is not a dam.

11/28/2014 11:09:11 AM

he dammed the flow of justice

11/28/2014 11:19:50 AM

Just came out that Wilson went to the bathroom after the shooting and washed blood of his hands. Several hours later, he entered his own gun (the murder weapon) into an evidence bag.

Theres no way the gun evidence (evidence brown reached for the gun) would have ever held up in court.

11/28/2014 12:15:17 PM

^how do you figure?

11/28/2014 12:22:28 PM

if he left the scene with the gun, had private time with it and then handled it himself, its no longer credible.

11/28/2014 12:34:23 PM

so then how would it be credible evidence in terms of being presented as the gun that was used to kill the kid? what you're implying is that there is now no weapon in play. the kid's fingerprints don't have to be on the gun for the cop to be able to say "he reached for my gun."

11/28/2014 12:36:05 PM

i thought there was physical evidence tying brown to the gun.

11/28/2014 12:37:29 PM

There's a reason they didn't charge him. In court he'd lose or at the best be found guilty of some lesser charge. Its common knowledge if you look at the evidence that they didn't follow protocol.

11/28/2014 1:41:34 PM

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/207627-shot-owner-robbed-michael-brown-standing-now-looted-store-shows-side-tragedy/

so this guy was robbed by a thug

and now his store has been looted to hell by other thugs who support the first thug

11/28/2014 8:24:37 PM

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"i thought there was physical evidence tying brown to the gun."

There was enough gunshot residue on Michael Brown to indicate that the was in very close range of the shooter when some of the shots were fired, which is consistent with the cops story that he was struggling for the gun.

11/28/2014 9:01:33 PM

^^See page 36

11/28/2014 10:17:05 PM

The short summary of my opinion on this thing is that the broader trends and concerns voiced by the protestors are something that I side with them on, but as far as Mike Brown goes, the evidence I have seen leads me to believe that I would have shot that motherfucker, too.

11/29/2014 2:30:44 AM

^

11/29/2014 4:46:56 AM

which is why the 9 white jurors was a miscarriage of justice. just because you would have shot him or because he was a giant asshole doesn't mean he should have been slaughtered.

11/29/2014 11:04:10 AM

11/29/2014 11:24:50 AM

The only reason that grand jury was extended to handle this issue was because of the 9 white jurors. That's 9 automatic, bankable, no's in the prosecutors pocket. Regardless of how you feel about Brown, riots etc, you can't debate the fact that the prosecutor went out of his way to not prosecute.

11/29/2014 11:33:22 AM

so because they're white, you think that automatically means they would have said no to an indictment?

Thats racist.

11/29/2014 1:11:31 PM

With the way the pro cop prosecutor presented the case, yes.

11/29/2014 1:14:53 PM

I'm just wondering if this thread can get to 40 pages.

11/29/2014 1:16:36 PM

Probably 60 after the federal indictment

11/29/2014 1:22:02 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/28/what-white-people-need-to-know-and-do-after-ferguson/

A little overbearing if you're sensitive about being called a white person, but still poignantly relevant.

11/29/2014 5:57:58 PM

yeah nobody cares anymore

on to the next story

11/29/2014 8:26:48 PM

I'm at a loss for words, someone rip this apart in a coherent paragraph.

11/29/2014 9:03:03 PM

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""We are winning," my mentor, Adisa Ajamu, often tells me. "Improvisation, Transcendence, and Resilience—the DNA of the Black experience—are just synonyms for fighting preparedness for the long winter of war." Adisa is right. But to keep winning, to keep our soul and sanity in this terror-filled coliseum, at some point we have to say fuck it. We have to say fuck them. And most importantly, we must say to people and communities that love us, "I love you. Will you please love me? I'm listening.""

http://gawker.com/my-vassar-college-faculty-id-makes-everything-ok-1664133077

11/29/2014 9:43:56 PM

^^so an armed robber was shot?

what's the problem?

11/30/2014 6:55:38 AM

Listening to his mom's response makes me want to shoot myself.

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"He didn't have a gun on him so he should have minded his business, he wasn't hurting no one blah blah blah"

11/30/2014 7:25:18 AM

so her response is that the guy that shot her son should have minded his business and left the store and allowed it to be robbed?

Gee...i wonder why this kid is hanging out with the wrong people...

11/30/2014 8:35:46 AM

Property has more rights in America than black people.

11/30/2014 11:26:17 AM

^^^hahaha

11/30/2014 2:01:15 PM

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"http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/28/what-white-people-need-to-know-and-do-after-ferguson/ A little overbearing if you're sensitive about being called a white person, but still poignantly relevant."

i have absolutely zero patience for a white woman that went to NYU telling all white people how to better white people. oh you have a short haircut? please, lecture me on all social issues, which you clearly understand.

11/30/2014 4:37:36 PM

^ who should white people read to better understand racisms effects on our society?

11/30/2014 4:41:52 PM

In generally, I feel that simonn is pretty good at being a white person

11/30/2014 4:42:44 PM

saddest part of that story in the video is the motherfucker survived

11/30/2014 4:46:44 PM

^^^ someone that it affects? maybe?

did i use the right effect/affect?

11/30/2014 4:59:53 PM

has this been discussed yet on TWW?

http://racistsgettingfired.tumblr.com/

11/30/2014 5:03:51 PM

^^ that's true, but for a lot white people (most it seems like to me...) they just dismiss the accounts of people that it affects.

11/30/2014 5:51:11 PM

bosnian lives matter

ugh, wtf, why would you get out of the car
ww.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/motorist-beaten-to-death-by-several-juveniles-with-hammers-teens/article_9f15bf49-c8b7-5

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"ST. LOUIS • More than 50 people gathered near Bevo Mill Sunday night in frustration over the death of a Bosnian man beaten with hammers earlier that day. Gravois Avenue was closed for several blocks because of the crowd. Police are on the scene. Check back for updates on this developing story. Our earlier story: A 32-year-old man was beaten to death with hammers by at least two teens early Sunday morning on Itaska Street. The victim was identified as Zemir Begic, 32, of the 4200 block of Miami Street. He had injuries to his head, abdomen, face and mouth. He was taken to St. Louis University Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead. Police said Begic was in his vehicle in the 4200 block of Itaska about 1:15 a.m. when several juveniles approached on foot and began damaging it. Begic got out and the juveniles began yelling at him and striking him with hammers. Two male juveniles, 16 and 15, were taken into custody. "

11/30/2014 8:29:58 PM