he probably means white people

6/26/2016 11:55:56 PM

trigger warning:
https://youtu.be/_QdfrOJzSC4

6/27/2016 5:37:09 AM

http://priceonomics.com/the-fining-of-black-america/

[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 9:31 AM. Reason : probably they just commit more finable offenses though, right JCE?]

6/27/2016 9:29:18 AM

but does it take into account the fact that the blacks commit more crime? SJW false echo media liberal chamber narrative

[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 9:36 AM. Reason : LOL...your edit beat me to it.]

6/27/2016 9:36:17 AM

yeah there is no debtors' prison in 'merica unless you owe it to the govt. BAD!

[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 10:22 AM. Reason : ']

6/27/2016 10:21:47 AM

is that a trump quote? what is going on with that post?

6/27/2016 10:38:45 AM

Seems like Georgia, Missouri, and Maryland are overrepresented on that list, and they are states that have higher black populations. Maryland loves their speed cameras; when revenues dropped from the stationary cameras that people learned to avoid, they started putting out mobile units. New Carrolton, MD has almost half of their fines budget coming from redlight cameras. College Park, MD's entire fines budget comes from redlight cameras and parking violations.

I'm not sure how you can claim revenue generated from unmanned cameras and empty cars is racially biased.

6/27/2016 11:04:40 AM

so we supposed to believe that black democrats running the black cities are racist or something? can i get a tldr;?

[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 11:15 AM. Reason : ?]

6/27/2016 11:14:14 AM

Quote :

"I'm not sure how you can claim revenue generated from unmanned cameras and empty cars is racially biased. "

well, you just totally on your own decided that all or most of the revenue is from automated sources without anything to back that up, however even if that were true (which it's almost definitely not) it is still totally possible to introduce racial bias by things as simple as where you locate devices

in the link they note that:

Quote :

"A large portion of these Fines and Forfeits are for parking infractions, traffic tickets, and fines for missed court appearances."

and:

Quote :

"It seems unlikely that the connection between fines and large African American populations—a connection that cannot be explained by poverty—is the result of African Americans across the United States committing more finable offenses. A more likely explanation is that they are more highly policed and that, as has been acknowledged by the Director of the FBI, African Americans suffer from heavier legal penalties due to the implicit bias of police officers. Charging individuals with minor infractions is highly discretionary and influenced by where law enforcement choose to direct their attention. Although African Americans and Whites report smoking marijuana at the same rates, African Americans are 3.7 times more likely get arrested for marijuana possession. "

[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 11:32 AM. Reason : dur]

6/27/2016 11:28:47 AM

Quote :

"so we supposed to believe that black democrats running the black cities are racist or something? can i get a tldr;?"

sure, here is a good summary:
http://priceonomics.com/the-fining-of-black-america/

how does this come about? from things like what was uncovered in the furguson report:

Quote :

"Focus on Generating Revenue The City budgets for sizeable increases in municipal fines and fees each year, exhorts police and court staff to deliver those revenue increases, and closely monitors whether those increases are achieved. City officials routinely urge Chief Jackson to generate more revenue through enforcement. In March 2010, for instance, the City Finance Director wrote to Chief Jackson that “unless ticket writing ramps up significantly before the end of the year, it will be hard to significantly raise collections next year. . . . Given that we are looking at a substantial sales tax shortfall, it’s not an insignificant issue.” Similarly, in March 2013, the Finance Director wrote to the City Manager: “Court fees are anticipated to rise about 7.5%. I did ask the Chief if he thought the PD could deliver 10% increase. He indicated they could try.” The importance of focusing on revenue generation is communicated to FPD officers. Ferguson police officers from all ranks told us that revenue generation is stressed heavily within the police department, and that the message comes from City leadership. The evidence we reviewed supports this perception."

6/27/2016 11:36:29 AM

Quote :

"well, you just totally on your own decided that all or most of the revenue is from automated sources without anything to back that up, however even if that were true (which it's almost definitely not)"

[link]http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjg1MObxsjNAhWJZj4KHbFdBbwQFgg_MAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp://www.newcarrolltonmd.gov%2Fvertical%2Fsites%2F%257B42B46981-7A25-4846-94E4-4E4AC1943824%257D%2Fuploads%2FFY_2015_Adopted_Budget.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGEkS6NxzVGN6MYaZDyQwbs8j1drQ&sig2=vNxno5r6_GOLRlE3ENQfOg&bvm=bv.125596728,d.cWw[/link]

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"http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwjo7a-pxsjNAhXD8j4KHU9rCbUQFggoMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp://www.collegeparkmd.gov%2Fdocument_center%2FFinance%2FCAFR%2FFY2012_CAFR.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGQK4nYFEPxBo6u2qoal6SWOpFC3A&sig2=iRc1P8ym3XeV5evFJP1oSg&bvm=bv.125596728,d.cWw"

I'm not going to do your research for you; we're talking about public records here that come up in 10 seconds of a google search. Both of their budget sheets clearly spell out automated cameras and the percentage of their fines budget attributed to the devices.

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"Charging individuals with minor infractions is highly discretionary and influenced by where law enforcement choose to direct their attention."

what is discretionary about traffic cameras and unattended vehicles? Maryland law requires traffic cameras to be within a certain distance of either a school zone or a construction work zone.

6/27/2016 11:51:26 AM

Are you actually this dumb?

6/27/2016 12:25:22 PM

I guess that means you can't refute what I posted. Too bad the facts go against what you're trying to argue.

6/27/2016 12:28:51 PM

think we all can agree using fines as a revenue stream is BS and needs to stop whether or not there is a racial motive

6/27/2016 1:05:20 PM

^^how do i refute something that doesn't address your claim?

if you said that you had green eyes, and then posted a picture of a naked 400 lb woman, how would i refute your point?

in the College Park CAFR, what part shows that automated systems are the majority of their fines? Where do they break down the "fines and forfeitures" item.

in the new carroll link i also don't see where they break down that revenue, it appears to have even less detail for revenue. i can tell you all about how much it costs to administer speed cameras in new carroll, but not about the revenue they bring in.

you haven't posted anything that supports your claim that fines in maryland are predominantly from automated systems that can't have a bias

[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 1:14 PM. Reason : dur]

6/27/2016 1:09:31 PM

Quote :

"in the new carroll link i also don't see where they break down that revenue, it appears to have even less detail for revenue"

revenue total are on page 18/208 of the PDF, fines and forfeiture accounting codes on page 30/208, and page 32/208 lists actual and budgeted numbers for those fines and forfeitures. Of the $711,495 collected in 2013, $295,268 came from speed cameras and $414,497 came from vehicle control fines and towing. They didn't break down how much was towing and how much was due to fines that could be subjective, hence why I left that portion out of my original statement. If New Carrollton is responsible for towing enforcement at New Carrollton metro stop, that could be a significant portion of the $414k. However, that is speculation on my part.

For college park, I must have copied a link to an older budget.

[link]http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0ahUKEwi77u319MjNAhWRZj4KHYY1CJcQFghMMAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp://www.collegeparkmd.gov%2Fdocument_center%2FFinance%2FBudget%2FFY2016_REQUESTED_BUDGET.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGw11tafQQXUG7P0LtAw3P-7FLHOw&sig2=nL5ZNylJYftpLmBUgnjZ0w[/link]

Page 11/388 spells out the revenue and operating costs of the speed cameras, and page 43/388 lists out the revenue from fines and fees. The interesting exerpt from the 2012 College Park budget I linked to before is that their actual vs projected budget on speed camera fines was way off, with actual revenue being about a third more than projected. The speed cameras must have been more of a moneymaker than anticipated, which would explain why they've grown like wildfire around here.

[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 3:25 PM. Reason : again, these cameras are at every school zone and in construction work zones - no geographical bias]

6/27/2016 3:25:01 PM

I wonder if black people get more jaywalking tickets than white people. Black people like to walk across the street all nonchalantly and stuff, no matter the traffic. White folks are happy to jog and politely wave if a car is somewhat near so they don't hinder traffic.

6/27/2016 3:41:38 PM

Black people also jay walk with a lean, all cocky and stuff

6/27/2016 3:47:18 PM

^^^ so as i said, nothing showing maryland fines are predominantly from automated sources

i suppose if you want to claim that 2 of the top 50 cities receive a large fund from speed cameras that's a valid claim (although that ignores that work zones are arbitrary and they decide where to place them, and i believe local jurisdictions have to decide if and where to place school zone cameras) and only 8 of those top 50 cities are in states that have school zone speed cameras

[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 4:10 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2016 3:50:37 PM

I specifically illustrated how two cities of the 50 that were included in your infographic get their fees from automated sources. I know you're just a shit troll, but you should at least try harder than this. You could at least try to argue that artificially suppressed property values in black neighborhoods lead to less tax revenue and force municipalities to try to get money in other ways, such as fines. At least you'd be trying to make an argument that can't be refuted with a 10 second google search.

[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 4:11 PM. Reason : if you see a school in PG or Montgomery county, you can rest assured there is a speed camera]

6/27/2016 4:10:05 PM

false, you have not demonstrated that the majority of their fines come from unbiasable sources

6/27/2016 4:11:20 PM

every school gets a speed camera, and work zones are pretty easy to spot with the signs and orange barrels everywhere. It's not some arbitrary thing like the "aggressive driver enforcement" zones that they were experimenting with years ago.




http://www.safezones.maryland.gov/faqs.html#q1


[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 4:13 PM. Reason : at least in PG and Mont. county. I haven't seen them in Calvert or Charles.]

[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 4:22 PM. Reason : picture of sign. You can't miss the vehicles either - white jeeps with a black box on the front]

6/27/2016 4:13:20 PM

in 6 of the 50 cities every school is allowed to have a speed camera if the local government wants to put one there (not sure how it works in NY, the other 2) which makes them somewhat objective but still subjective. work zone cameras are roving and can be put wherever you want, this is definitely subjective (i.e. can be biased). the revenue from them is less than revenue from other fees. there are 42 cities in the top 50 that either explicitly prohibit speed cameras, allow them but don't have any yet, or only allow them in certain situations that are subjective (in a work zone, with an officer stationed beside it, etc...)

what you have shown is that in 2 cities out of 50 a large amount of revenue comes from a source that is partially objective, and that in another 4 it may be similar. you have not shown that the majority of fees in maryland are from unbiasable sources. you have not responded to the claims in the link above in any kind of significant way

what you have done instead is notice one thing that you had a little knowledge about and posted about it to try to sound smart even though it hardly addresses the issue in the link i posted


[Edited on June 27, 2016 at 5:26 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2016 5:22:57 PM

42 of those other 50 states do have red-light cameras. I'll leave it up to you to do your research on how cities on the list in GA and other states with red light cameras get their income, as you seem to be illiterate when I post sources.

6/27/2016 5:35:32 PM

... which they get to decide where they put

6/27/2016 5:37:24 PM

are roads segregated? do they decide who gets ticketed based on something other than running the intersection?

http://calhoun.nps.edu/bitstream/handle/10945/46909/Police%20Quarterly-2015-Eger-1098611115586174.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

This study determined that blacks were 20% more likely to receive a red-light camera ticket than whites, based on county demographics.

6/27/2016 6:29:32 PM

It's like you are going out of your way to miss the point now, it's actually amazing.

Next can you google how many cows there are in Miami?

6/27/2016 6:49:42 PM

That study demonstrates how your smartass comment to JCE regarding your infographic has been verified statistically.

why don't you google something for us showing cows in Miami? The Miami-Dade Ag Extension office would be a good place to start.

6/27/2016 7:26:30 PM

Traffic cameras are put in high traffic areas. That means not rich white suburbs, OR poor black neighborhoods. They're put in high throughput intersections to try and maximize revenue. They don't just put a bunch of traffic cameras outside some public housing to try and catch the black folks speeding or running stop signs.

They're also unconstitutional, and if you get one of those tickets and pay it, you're an idiot.

6/27/2016 7:30:06 PM

The study he posted doesn't say what he thinks it says


Or if he does understand it, it's not relevant in the way he wants it to be

This is like debating a high school kid who just disocvered Wikipedia and google scholar

6/27/2016 7:53:50 PM

Swimming is white privilege

6/27/2016 10:05:33 PM

Quote :

" Any suggestions tww on how to communicate with someone that rejects both scientific.."

Maybe you should try calling them a racist 100 times, or a bot. That seems to be your best strategy when you can't actually communicate. Make sure you do it with an unmerited sense of intellectual and morale authority.

Quote :

" and anecdotal evidence? What does that mean about a person..."

Anecdotal evidence is meaningless in these societal issues. It's just a desperate tactic for viral outrage when the actual numbers and statistics don't align with your narrative (In Moron's case "America is a racist shithole").

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" It's because the gibberish never changes. If you don't want him to overuse these words then stop repeatedly being/executing them."

The reason I'm overusing "narrative" is because the SJWs are spamming narratives (like bots). Not everyone basis their perception of reality on a clickbait headline.

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" I guess that means you can't refute what I posted. Too bad the facts go against what you're trying to argue"

That's essentially what it means when a SJW resorts to "your dumb" as their response. This is the point where they can't discuss any further. They post something showing a disparity aligning with race, for them the discussion is over and that is proof of racism. They've met their objective of "America is racist" clickbait outrage and they have no desire to actually look into factors these leftist studies deliberately ignore.

[Edited on June 28, 2016 at 12:20 AM. Reason : .]

6/28/2016 12:20:02 AM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/dining/jack-daniels-whiskey-nearis-green-slave.html

I'm sure he was properly compensated, and his descendants were allowed to reap the benefits of this work...

6/28/2016 1:43:16 AM

^your link says his kids were given jobs in the distillery which didn't even open until after slavery ended

6/28/2016 9:28:47 AM

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"Make sure you do it with an unmerited sense of intellectual and morale authority."

Quote :

"Not everyone basis their perception"

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"when a SJW resorts to "your dumb" as their response."

what a fucking idiot.

[Edited on June 28, 2016 at 10:12 AM. Reason : not exactly breaking news tho]

6/28/2016 10:11:30 AM

^^ and?

6/28/2016 11:28:17 AM

^my keyboard did not fail immediately after tying that or anything

6/28/2016 11:34:19 AM

Call them a racist or a bot, sure. Critique spelling, naturally.

Address what they say?

6/28/2016 11:34:06 PM

bleep boop

6/29/2016 7:12:24 AM

http://fusion.net/story/320317/brock-turner-judge-latino-defendant/

Raping while white is a good way to get a reduced sentence I suppose.

[Edited on June 29, 2016 at 4:20 PM. Reason : ]

6/29/2016 4:20:06 PM

The Brock Turner thing isn't surprising.

But, man, those letters he and his father wrote are astonishing. Like, breath-taking...

And it's interesting. I originally imagined those letters were so lame because he and his father plainly do not understand the severity of his crime.
But I suspect it's actually worse than that. I think the letters were so lame because they literally had nothing to write in his defense.

I mean, Brock Turner is apparently such a loser that the only nice things his father could write about him actually included his strong performance
on grade school spelling tests.

And that is fucking crazy.

[Edited on June 29, 2016 at 5:00 PM. Reason : How can someone suck that bad?]

6/29/2016 4:59:46 PM

the letter his father wrote is the only thing about it that isn't crazy, i'd say anything i had to to help my son in sentencing and don't understand all the criticism he got for it

6/29/2016 5:23:58 PM

I agree.

It was the content of the letter that was so startling though.

They probably already knew they were going to get leniency, so maybe they didn't put much thought into their letters.



By the way, you're a nitpicky little bitch, and it is annoying.

6/29/2016 7:46:35 PM

Good discussion of islamophobia:
http://www.vice.com/read/road-tripping-in-america-as-a-muslim-man-456

6/30/2016 1:20:21 AM

Bleep blorp *SJW program initialize*

BEEP BOP America is racist!

*Fetching victimhood ranking* ISLAMAPHOBIA #1
Spam link mode engaged

Beep boop: prepare counter argument: "you're a racist"
/SJW BOT

6/30/2016 5:23:18 PM

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-gops-war-on-voting-is-working/

Quote :

"To date, the state’s DMV has rejected nearly a fifth of all applicants for a voter ID, 85 percent of whom were African American, Latino, or Native American."

6/30/2016 5:23:31 PM

Things I learned today:

1. SJW bot's quota has been raised to 2 per day
2. Insinuating that minorities are incapable of obtaining a form of ID =/= racist in SJW land
3. Voter Fraud doesn't matter

6/30/2016 10:52:47 PM

7/1/2016 8:32:48 AM

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/06/30/483861826/study-black-and-white-americans-are-worlds-apart-on-views-of-race

The truth is somewhere in between I suppose...

7/1/2016 12:38:21 PM

TIL: JCE isn't a programmer (I hope). That was pretty shitty code.

7/1/2016 2:16:30 PM