he'll break a few screen passes here and there...but he's going to be FAR from the superstar he was in college...McAllister is their best RB by far

8/22/2006 11:39:20 AM

as of now, i agree with that.....but remember Mcallister is coming off major injury, so who knows if he'll be the same back he was.

8/22/2006 11:52:10 AM

true but he has also shown he can do it on sundays...reggie has not

8/22/2006 11:54:18 AM

True.............we're gettin close to seeing tho...............can't wait. Actually I am hoping Bush is a major flop. I don't want to see him slicing us up twice a season in a few years.

8/22/2006 11:56:31 AM

Here are a few of the defenses Reggie has to face this year:

Carolina (twice)
Tampa Bay (twice)
NY Giants
Dallas
Washington
Pittsburgh
Baltimore

not quite Arizona, Oregon State, etc

8/22/2006 12:02:52 PM

keep on sippin on that haterade twista

8/22/2006 2:48:12 PM

did you watch him last night? cause im not sippin haterade...i ate a full plate of reality

unless you think 4 rushes for 7 yards is whats expected from the 2nd coming of nfl jesus

8/22/2006 3:43:30 PM

actually i didnt watch him play

i just wouldn't call him a flop until he's at least completed an entire NFL season

the preseason means absolutely nothing and to say he's going to suck based on, what like 2 meaningless games, isn't warrented by anything other than haterade

8/22/2006 3:56:02 PM

i watched the whole game

and i called him a flop before the preseason even started

8/22/2006 3:59:50 PM

im sure you wouldn't call philip rivers a flop even though the only real games he's played in the NFL were mediocre

i can see hating on Reggie Bush if he were a loud mouthed son of a bitch who talked trash all the time, but he's not

and that's why i think youre sippin on haterade- you just don't like him period.

8/22/2006 4:06:08 PM

- Rivers is a flop so far
- Bush got 100x the hype in college that Rivers did...hence people expect more

maybe you're onto something though...I don't think Bush will be a great NFL player, but that view is probably multiplied by the Michael Vick-esque dickriding that ESPN is already doing

i mean on sportscenter last night they broke down every single play by Bush in the game...let him just play

8/22/2006 4:19:55 PM

yeh on sc this morning they were basically sucking his dick just because he is reggie bush on a play where he didn't really do jack.

I'm sure they will be just as quick to point out any double teams that Mario draws.

[Edited on August 22, 2006 at 4:24 PM. Reason : hsd]

8/22/2006 4:23:58 PM

when was the last time the media sucked any NFL player's cock who wasn't a QB, RB, or WR?

yeah...

8/22/2006 4:31:27 PM

yeah whens the last time they sucked anybody's cock more than Vick or Bush? never yeah

8/22/2006 4:38:29 PM

^^ they suck Vinateri's cock, and also you left out coaches who routinely get their knobs slobbed.

8/22/2006 5:04:57 PM

OMG, one mediocre game!!!! he's gonna suck!!!

but yeah, i know, he's got some things to learn before he's a superstar. but i still claim that he won't be a flop.

look, bush will be ok. i'm not saying he's the next barry sanders, but he'll be ok. and i'll go out on a limb and say that he could play every down if necessary. he can take the hits. i mean, seriously, size does not equal durabilty in the nfl anyway. what about stephen davis, deuce, edgerrin james, jamaal lewis, fred taylor etc etc?? all of them suffered some serious injuries over the course of their careers, and they're all over 225 lbs.

reggie bush: 5'11", 200 lbs
thurman thomas: 5'10", 199 lbs

i don't ever remember thurman missing any major games due to injury,and he definitely played every down. and i've already pointed out in this thread that bush is bigger and stronger than two of the nfl's current most durable backs, tiki barber and warrick dunn.

8/23/2006 12:21:44 AM

just to do a little devils advocate here,

Edge came into the league at around 205 (now 215)
Stephen Davis came in at 215 (now 235ish)
I forgot what Jamal Lewis weighed as a rookie, but it wasn't 245
Deuce was 219 (now 232)
Fragile Freddy was 223 (now 238)

and all of those guys had knee injuries at some point in their careers. With an average weight gain of 15 lbs amongst the guys I immediately know about, you can see that such an increase affects the knees. Hell, I'm pretty fit; I played HS basketball at 190 lbs, now I weigh 217 and I have knee problems too... and I don't hoop nearly as heavily as these guys play football. All that to say: size may not guarantee durability, but sustained size will.

I honestly couldn't see Bush as the same player at 215 as he is now at 200.

8/23/2006 12:44:28 AM

Quote :

"i don't ever remember thurman missing any major games due to injury,and he definitely played fumbled every down."

8/23/2006 11:50:43 AM

bttt

9/7/2006 11:52:42 AM

He sure did look pretty damn good today.

9/10/2006 5:56:47 PM

Thank you 5th round pick Reggie

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 5:58 PM. Reason : yeah]

9/10/2006 5:58:33 PM

yeah its ridiculous to act like Bush isn't gonna be sick.

You'd have to be an idiot to predict that after seeing him in college.

Still, some people are just haters.

9/10/2006 7:21:26 PM

i still haven't seen him do anything against a real defense

9/10/2006 7:26:33 PM

he put up some damn good numbers against a so-so defense today i'll give him that

9/10/2006 7:27:08 PM

Quote :

"i still haven't seen him do anything against a real defense"

That's it. I'm sold. He's a bust. Reggie clearly should have scheduled the first game against the Bears so we couldn't make excuses.

9/10/2006 7:28:59 PM

Actually the Browns have a pretty good defense.


It's not the Bears or the Ravens but its top half in the league.


And he had what 119 yards in his first game?

He's on pace for almost 2,000 yards...

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 7:30 PM. Reason : a]

9/10/2006 7:30:01 PM

i just figured the 2nd coming of god/vick would have scored

9/10/2006 7:32:16 PM

\/ what he said.

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 7:34 PM. Reason : fdh]

9/10/2006 7:33:01 PM

The Browns were 30th in the league against the run last year.

Their defense is garbage.

9/10/2006 7:33:40 PM

some people think everybody in the north has a good defense just because baltimore and pitt do

9/10/2006 7:34:08 PM

you would say the 9ers have a pretty good defense if he was playing against the 9ers

9/10/2006 7:34:55 PM

i will concede he did better than i thought in his first game though

9/10/2006 7:35:55 PM

He looked pretty good today, I'll give him that much

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 7:36 PM. Reason : Still saw none of this Touchdown Jesus II that you people think he'll be]

9/10/2006 7:36:25 PM

Quote :

"i just figured the 2nd coming of god/vick would have scored"

Really? Because Larry Johnson and Shaun Alexander didnt score against two of the worst defenses in the league (Cincy and Detroit)


You dont have to score to be effective.

They won the game and Bush played a huge part in the win.


And for someone who "won't be able to run up the middle in the NFL"

he looked pretty good dragging defenders all over the place.

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 7:38 PM. Reason : a]

9/10/2006 7:37:53 PM

Quote :

"That's it. I'm sold. He's a bust. Reggie clearly should have scheduled the first game against the Bears so we couldn't make excuses. "

well I'm not going to go admitting i was wrong until i see it. nick goings looked like barry sanders a few years ago, but it was against the likes of the arizona cardinals.

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 7:39 PM. Reason : fdh]

9/10/2006 7:38:37 PM

Mario wasn't very good today, either. Announcers said he was bood loudly today.

9/10/2006 7:38:50 PM

Larry Johnson didnt score, eh?

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=424479

9/10/2006 7:39:48 PM

bunch of asshats in houston.

9/10/2006 7:40:23 PM

Quote :

"he looked pretty good dragging defenders all over the place."

on one "touch" (since that's the word we have to use to quantify reggie bush's impact) out of 25?

I'd HARDLY call that dragging defenders all over the place.

I swear man, I respect your opinion/views on shit 98 percent of the time, but it's that 2 percent where you spend too much time sounding like an ESPN fanatik validating the hype of their favorites where you just become intolerable...

9/10/2006 7:43:08 PM

What's the problem? It's not like he is taking an extreme position by saying Bush will be an all out flop like SOME people are. The guy is freaking talented. I don't know why State fans have to hate on players because they feel one of our own was disrespected (in this case Mario). It's not like Reggie Bush is telling people to criticize the Texans for not taking him

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 7:46 PM. Reason : x]

9/10/2006 7:45:51 PM

vince young will be an outright flop imo

Reggie bush will not be the jesus most make him out to be, sorry.

and a good game against one of the worst rushing Ds in the league does not prove me wrong.

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 7:50 PM. Reason : fdh]

9/10/2006 7:47:23 PM

So are you saying Larry Johnson's 150 yards were overrated because he didn't score in ONE game?

You are jsut crazy.

9/10/2006 7:47:24 PM

^^^if you've read through this thread you'll see, with the exception of the thread title, i think bush will be a pretty good nfl player, but not the next ladainian/barry/walter/sayers like everybody else likes to think

^no...and im more surprised by alexander's performance...but LJ still wont get 2000 yards like everybody says...he had 68 rushing yards today...score or not, he had 68 rushing yards today

9/10/2006 7:47:28 PM

I did read through it and there are TONS of people who think he will be an all-out bust. Doesn't matter whether or not you think it.

9/10/2006 7:48:42 PM

i've heard a lot more people think he will be the 2nd coming of god

9/10/2006 7:49:44 PM

I'm with TT10... I don't think he will fail, but the hype/expectations/hoopla/save the world that's been coming out of nearly every sportswriter's ass since... goddam I don't remember WHEN exactly this shit started, but it's disgusting

9/10/2006 7:50:19 PM

Quote :

"but it's that 2 percent where you spend too much time sounding like an ESPN fanatik validating the hype of their favorites where you just become intolerable..."

Fair enough, but the reason i spend SO much time trying to validate the hype is because everyone on here tries to discredit anyone who is any good.

I mean its clear that Vick is one of the best QB's in the league. No one would rationally debate that he isn't. But for whatever reason people don't like him and they try to act like he's a bad QB. It's crazy.

Reggie Bush DESERVED the hype. He goes down as one of the greatest RB's in college football history. He absolutely saved USC's ass on multiple occasions. The plays he made were absolutely ridiculous.

Is he going to run for 70 yard TD's every game? No, because the NFL isn't stupid like college football. But his speed/agility/strength WILL turn routine 4 yard runs into 17 yard runs. And that makes him one of the elite RB's in the game. Why would you predict him to be a bust? I mean sure theres a chance he will get injured but even Cal Ripken could have broken his hand if you hit him with a fastball.

9/10/2006 7:53:38 PM

here nym410, go to google and enter this in the box:


reggie bush sam bowie


ignoring the mario williams dissing entirely, just read the way people write about bush.




also, it should be noted that a Saints rookie scored his first TD today.
he was the 5th-to-last pick in the draft.
considered by some to be a tweener (WR/TE), most to not make the roster, he's now starting at WR opposite Joe Horn.
MARQUES COLSTON.
I've yet to see his touchdown catch in any halftime show, postgame show, or at any point of my watching NFL Network. However, I've been treated to various Reggie Bush runs all day. I've been treated to commentators tripping over their words just to talk about Reggie Bush in games that he isn't even playing in.
When Josh Bullocks caught the game-clinching INT, a commentator said "BUSH-Bullocks with the INT, and this game is over"

9/10/2006 7:54:51 PM

Quote :

"I mean its clear that Vick is one of the best QB's in the league."

HOW IS IT CLEAR? WHAT HAS HE DONE?

9/10/2006 7:54:56 PM

Quote :

"HOW IS IT CLEAR? WHAT HAS HE DONE?"

Um, a lot?

NFC championship in 2 of his 3 seasons as a starter.

.500 team last year despite having the worst defense in the league.

The year he was hurt they went like 2-10 without him and 3-1 with him.

He's done ALL of this while not having a great defense or having even adequate WR's.

He's a terrific QB, there's no denying that.

You are just being a hater.

9/10/2006 7:57:05 PM