^ It's a good thing you're not too close to his cage otherwise he might throw poop at ya.

5/29/2006 10:35:33 PM

that's no way to talk about an elected official

5/29/2006 11:14:32 PM

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"show me another case where the accuser couldn't identify anyone "

Why don't YOU show another case?

Oh, you can't? Imagine that...

5/30/2006 1:54:09 AM

i'm glad you agree

the evidence overwhelmingly says they're falsely accused

5/30/2006 2:42:45 PM

how much evidence have you seen? or has it all been what the defense has told the press? that's what i thought.

5/30/2006 2:48:17 PM

words

5/30/2006 2:59:32 PM

You're still not showing me anything which would cause me to believe that the things we know right now are not true. And if they are true, then it is extraordinarily obvious that they are falsely accused. I can't think of anything that would be more obvious.

If anyone is interested in "Innocent, #6, #13, #45" wristbands, contact me.

5/30/2006 2:59:54 PM

how many times do i have to say that you're treating this as if it's a done deal. the trial hasn't started. i'm going to wait to make my judgement one way or the other until actual evidence has been presented. not press conferences.

5/30/2006 3:08:11 PM

even if these dukies didnt rape the stripper i wouldnt help them with their defense. i would not have helped pay the 400,000 dollar bail either.

5/30/2006 3:10:37 PM

for someone who hasn't made up their mind, you sure argue a lot

i say innocent until proven guilty and i haven't seen any proof

5/30/2006 3:11:17 PM

i agree with pretty much all that you've said.

and for someone who hasn't seen any proof, you sure pretend like you have.

5/30/2006 3:12:22 PM

A great many cases are taken out before a trial begins. And with "evidence" such as this that the prosecutor has, I would suspect that would happen here as well.

I know all I need to. I know all the facts that 1 has posted, and those facts indicate an extremely clear "not guilty". Why are you so insistent that these men MUST be guilty? Why do you so strongly NEED them to be guilty, despite all the facts to the contrary? What other concerns are motivating you here? And then, SHOULD they be motivating concerns in this case?

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"even if these dukies didnt rape the stripper i wouldnt help them with their defense."

Because.... ??

Ordinarly people follow statements with explanations, that typically begin with because. Is it because you're just a dick? Is it because you are operating on your own unsubstantiated prejudices concerning the families? Is it because you are extremely poor and cannot afford to buy a t-shirt? Is it because there's no room in your closet for a t-shirt? Etc etc...

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 3:16 PM. Reason : add]

5/30/2006 3:14:49 PM

i will be selling [i ::heart:: strippers] t-shirts to help with the offense. if anyone wants one they will be 300 bucks

5/30/2006 3:14:50 PM

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"Ordinarly people follow statements with explanations, that typically begin with because. Is it because you're just a dick? "

Looks like we have our answer.

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"to help with the offense"

Offense? This is not a game of football, you foolish clown. Please try to know what you're talking about before you begin to talk about it. It would save me a lot of time in having to ridicule you.

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 3:21 PM. Reason : add]

5/30/2006 3:17:18 PM

because the t shirts would probably be duke blue

5/30/2006 3:19:10 PM

^^^^i NEVER EVER said that they were guilty. and if i did, i retract that (but i'm pretty sure i haven't). but i refuse to think that all of this is "clear cut" and they they're obviously innocent and that the stripper is just out to make a quick buck off of this.

i also am pretty sick of the racism and sexism that has surrounded this case (mind you, on both sides)

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 3:22 PM. Reason : ^^^^]

5/30/2006 3:22:13 PM

I for one am sick of the attitude that if someone doesnt think they are clearly innocent they we are dumb, or we want the stripper to get over for whatever reason.

5/30/2006 5:05:22 PM

Well you had better take some Pepto, because I do think they are clearly innocent and that any contrary position is entirely indefensible.

5/30/2006 9:08:05 PM

^^

1. explain why
2. use logic
3. ?????
4. get respect

5/30/2006 9:22:29 PM

can't their moms and dads afford the legal defense? it's duke after all...

5/30/2006 10:29:05 PM

A legal defense is hugely expensive. Especially one for such a high profile case where the stakes are so high.

And even if it wasn't - this would still be a kind gesture to people who are hurting.

5/30/2006 10:31:39 PM

i got an idea...keep this thread about buying t-shirts, not legal shit and why or why not you want to buy one but if you will, if not then dont post....there is another thread for all this legal bullshit, yeah i too have posted shit in this thread but i think its time to take it back to the real reason for the start

5/30/2006 11:08:25 PM

I got an idea, if you want to sell T-shirt. There's a place called classifield.

5/30/2006 11:13:08 PM

DUKE SUCKS

5/31/2006 12:10:22 AM

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" 1. explain why 2. use logic 3. ????? 4. get respect "

Are you serious? They are under indictment, and i believe that most people that are indicted are guilty, or at the minimum there is some evidence of guilt as to blur the question.

5/31/2006 12:18:12 AM

you guys are aware that there is a thread for debating this very topic right?

5/31/2006 12:34:28 AM

you guys are aware that there is a thread for debating this very topic right?

5/31/2006 12:36:32 AM

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"I know all I need to. I know all the facts that 1 has posted, and those facts indicate an extremely clear "not guilty".?"

I would agree that it seems likely that the lacrosse pricks aren't guilty.

But, if you asked most people about Michael Jackson before his trial, they would have said for sure he would have been guilty. This is obviously a bit different of a situation, but you don't really know what can go on in the court room.

5/31/2006 12:41:37 AM

being found guilty or not guilty is not the same as doing it or not doing it.


it's clear they didn't do it. if they are found guilty, it will be a failing of our court system.

5/31/2006 12:54:50 AM

^^^ and ^^^^

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" I posted this in the main thread too, but I wanted to make sure it got read. If you are planning to purchase a Duke Lacrosse t-shirt, please hold off for a few days. Friends of Duke Lacrosse is having t-shirts printed up and will be selling them in order to help raise money for legal defense. I think it would be much better to buy from them - not only do you get a t-shirt, you get to contribute to their legal fund and you get to also avoid lining the pockets of people who are out to make money from what is happening to these men. I'll keep you updated on when the t-shirts become available for purchase. Thanks everyone. "

5/31/2006 1:26:08 AM

Quote :

" being found guilty or not guilty is not the same as doing it or not doing it. "

True, but it makes arguing about it a lot more difficult.

5/31/2006 1:51:16 AM

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"it's clear they didn't do it. if they are found guilty, it will be a failing of our court system."

i don't know how everyone can be so sure. i guess the defense lawyers are doing their job of working the media.

5/31/2006 11:33:09 AM

i know everything.

5/31/2006 2:07:08 PM

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"A legal defense is hugely expensive. Especially one for such a high profile case where the stakes are so high. And even if it wasn't - this would still be a kind gesture to people who are hurting."

so, not only now are you defense expert, but compassion counselor as well?

Legal defense is expensive, but for someone's family to be able to come up with at least 40,000 bond in a matter of hours on a rape charge where the bond was 400,000....I have a distinct feeling there is more where that came from.....These people don't need the public's help. As someone already mentioned, i think...Nifong is sucking enough tax money out towards this case. We're already paying for this bullshit, in someway or the other.

5/31/2006 3:00:07 PM

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"for someone's family to be able to come up with at least 40,000 bond in a matter of hours on a rape charge where the bond was 400,000...."

Just to further make your point they each posted bond with certified checks for $400,000. They don't need money for legal defense, it will just come out of their trust funds.

5/31/2006 3:29:01 PM

"if you can't afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you"

i feel as though my charity money can be better put to use than to buy a high profile lawyer for 3 guys 'falsely' accused. i didn't buy an O.J. t-shirt back in the day to help out his legal fund, and he was falsely accused, and O.J. turned out just fine.

i tell you what, i'll help out these guys if they help me out when i have a stripper party...

5/31/2006 3:59:23 PM

you don't need t-shirts for a stripper party

the girls are supposed to take clothes OFF

5/31/2006 5:09:10 PM

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"They don't need money for legal defense, it will just come out of their trust funds."

And you are familiar with their personal finances how, again? Detailed explanation, please.

5/31/2006 6:29:52 PM

And you are familiar with their personal finances evidence of this case how, again? Detailed explanation, please.

[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 6:37 PM. Reason : safdas]

5/31/2006 6:36:56 PM

I read the uncontroverted evidence - the evidence that even you have not attempted to refute.

Now back to the issue - how is that person I was talking to so certain that the families here are not in need of help?

5/31/2006 6:38:04 PM

what's that evidence? and where did i dispute anything more than your assertions without factual basis? (which you did not back up with anything more than a reference to your own assertion)

5/31/2006 6:40:16 PM

Look at 1's posts. I'm not going to argue about things that are entirely clear. All of the evidence in this case points to the fact that these men are clearly innocent. It is not really a topic of dispute - that would be like trying to argue that the earth is round or that the sky is blue. The fact is self evident, so there is no need to argue about it. Anyone who even glances at the evidence in this case would see the same conclusion.

In any case, I am really very interested to know how the person above knows more about a family's finances than the head of that family. This is a matter that is not clear, and is thus worth inquiry.

[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 6:44 PM. Reason : worth inquiry]

5/31/2006 6:43:57 PM

sorry if i don't accept a post off the wolfweb as evidence.

[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 6:47 PM. Reason : asdfsad]

5/31/2006 6:46:43 PM

why are you so interested? did you go to duke?
and unless you are DA in Durham County, or a member of the defense team .........


you have hardly even began to see any evidence. you've seen what they wanted you to see. i'm sure there's much more........

5/31/2006 6:49:39 PM

^^ Apology accepted. Moving on, does the person above have any explanation?

^ What makes you sure of that? Are you familiar with a legal concept called discovery?

[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 6:50 PM. Reason : add]

5/31/2006 6:49:47 PM

why would the defense present damning evidence to the public? they may have it, but we wouldn't know because the case hasn't started yet. no one has answered this question. also you're dodging presenting any proof behind your claims.

5/31/2006 6:53:32 PM

^^ from the looks of it, you may practice law in the state of GA, but that isn't Durham, NC.......and i highly doubt you are in any way connected to this case. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet on it.


and yeah, i am familiar with that concept. eager young attorney, are we??? you don't argue very well on a website.

[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 7:26 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 7:27 PM. Reason : .]

5/31/2006 7:24:50 PM

Whatever you say. I'm sure you know much more about my legal skills than do the faculty of the University of Georgia Law School, Chief Judge Adamson, the Georgia Court of Appeals, the Georgia Supreme Court, the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia, and the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit. Thank you for your extremely meaningful input.

I do not practice law in Durham; I am not affiliated with the legal teams in this case. I don't recall ever claiming to be?

^ Of course the case has started. The trial itself is actually a fairly small portion of a legal proceeding.

[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 7:36 PM. Reason : add]

5/31/2006 7:34:33 PM

you've yet to produce any support for your claims outside of just saying that they're true. still waiting.

5/31/2006 7:37:58 PM

see...there you go again....i wasn't questioning your legal SKILL. nor did i say you claimed to be affiliated with them. i was making the point that that particular group of people are the only people who have extensive and absolute knowledge and evidence in this case.


and good listing of credentials. talk about it more when you've been a lawyer for more than a few years.


[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 7:44 PM. Reason : .]

5/31/2006 7:40:55 PM