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"But what makes NC State University so gay un-friendly?"

The Princeton Review report is what brought about the center. The report, which is trusted by many prospective college students nation-wide as a source of infomation on colleges and universities, found based on a diverse sampling of nc state students that the school was unfriendly to lgbt persons. when compared to other reports from other schools, nc state was judged as one of the least friendly schools towards lgbt persons. this is damaging to the image of ncsu as projected to the nation and prospective students.

As for the Shaw and Meredith questions, such a center would have reason to exist if these schools found that they had problems with relations with such populations and wished to engage such populations in their univeristy environment.

10/23/2006 1:50:53 AM

Considering how NCSU is a land grant university and considering the type of students that it attracts(given the majors available), how is this center going to greatly affect the type of student recruited?

It's not, at all.


If I were some gay dude from some podunk county it would seem that UNC or Duke would be the natural fit within the state.

I don't really care about them getting their office space within Talley. This is just a waste of student fees.

Then again, I thought that the fees for renovating Thompson were a waste as well.

Homecoming will be crap again, etc.

This university blows at spending resources.

10/23/2006 2:09:38 AM

we're workin on that

just passed the tuition fees report tonight

10/23/2006 2:18:05 AM

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"The big question is, what need would be filled by making a center for white heterosexual males, a group that for all intents and purposes, doesnt face the social consequences that females and homosexuals could possibly face."

Are you kidding me? Perhaps not being a white male yourself leaves you ignorant of our existence. I would bet that most white males on here have been harassed for their race. I know I have, mostly when walking by a group of black guys at night. (Not saying most groups of black guys do this, but some do) And FYI males can be sexually assaulted too.

Not that we need a center, because we don't. But neither do women, african americans, latinos, fat people, or gays.


We're students god dammit, we need A student union.


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Also, you do know that even if all schools were VERY friendly to LGBT students, there would still be someone at the bottom. I don't think having a center is really going to make the general population more accepting of homosexuals. The only thing that will do that is non-forced interaction with gay people. I didn't like gays until I made several gay friends.

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 8:14 AM. Reason : .]

10/23/2006 8:12:13 AM

nevermind, i didn't read

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 9:43 AM. Reason : ]

10/23/2006 9:29:43 AM

Quote :

""they're getting an office in Talley, that's it.""

10/23/2006 9:33:24 AM

this is one of the gayest threads ever

10/23/2006 10:01:57 AM

lol

10/23/2006 10:04:59 AM

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"why not provide support/help for those issues? would this not help one better their time at the university as they prepare for a career?"

You know what I think would help? Some fucking personal strength. We all have problems, and some of us have to deal with them without getting special attention with a "classically oppressed minority" status. Asian and international students don't ask for "safe-havens." Men don't get "educational, vocational, and network building" assistance. I've never clamored for my fellow students to pay for "sufficient staff to handle the needs" of the fat or atheist community.

10/23/2006 10:46:36 AM

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"This university blows at spending resources"

10/23/2006 11:21:43 AM

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"Are you kidding me? Perhaps not being a white male yourself leaves you ignorant of our existence. I would bet that most white males on here have been harassed for their race. I know I have, mostly when walking by a group of black guys at night. (Not saying most groups of black guys do this, but some do) And FYI males can be sexually assaulted too."

I am a white male, btw.

Perhaps if you see such harassment towards white males, you should document it and take up your concerns with some higher body? How many white males get told they're a sick abomination? How many white males are basically kicked out of their families for being such? I don't think you're being laughed at by a black man at night, while you might have been bothered, quite equals a homosexual's family telling them not to come back b/c they've let the family down. As for sexual assault, you are right of course, but the reason why that is never mentioned as a concern is because the number of such cases is not of the same numbers as those for women and homosexuals, but if you can provide evidence that such a major concern exists, then by all means do so. I think you're having a hard time realizing exactly how hard it is to be homosexual still for many people. Perhaps you need more gay friends? I know most of my gay friends have faced threats, been called an "abomination in teh eyes of god" despite the fact that they are christian, family sanctions, matthew shephard-style assault, etc., and those sorts of problems aren't exactly faced in a significant number by straight people.

If you are so bothered by this, I suggest you go talk to someone that matters about your concerns and maybe you can get that single office in talley to stay closed. That's really the only thing you can do that is of any service to your cause. Arguing with me will really do nothing to rectify the injustice you believe is at hand in providing an office in Talley to a population that, according to a survey of nc state students, needed such advocacy.

Before you take up your concerns with those in charge, I strongly urge you to learn more about the population in question, preferably from those people themselves. The center will also educate persons who are confused by or ignorant to what exactly it means to be homosexual. The center will be a center for the education of ALL to hopefully clear up the many misconceptions about LGBT people, which are evident in all of these discussions on this topic.

That's all I've got.

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 11:34 AM. Reason : .]

10/23/2006 11:26:14 AM

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"I know most of my gay friends have faced threats, been called an "abomination in teh eyes of god" despite the fact that they are christian, family sanctions, matthew shephard-style assault, etc., and those sorts of problems aren't exactly faced in a significant number by straight people"

I call bullshit. Most of your gay friends have not been assaulted matthew shephard style.

And why exactly is it NOT ok for families thinking their gay children are abominations. This isn't Canada where you aren't allowed to think homosexuality is wrong. I would never disown a son or daughter for being homosexual, but in this country you are allowed to judge people based on their sexual preferences. Its also pretty easy to justify homosexuality being an abomination (given that it says that verbatim and all) if you're into the Bible and that kind of thing. Of course, most Christians that use this are really just using it because they hate gays personally, but it doesn't mean it should be illegal to think that or that we need student fees trying to erode their religious beliefs.

10/23/2006 11:36:59 AM

the student fees are, in effect, promoting a largely unpublicized side of the issue.

plenty of funding and media attention to the religious right's gay-bashing, the parts of the bible you quoted, etc.

little to no funding and attention supporting LGBT as people and equals.

just because you have the right to hate someone for their preferences doesnt mean they should be silenced and oppressed...

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 11:41 AM. Reason : ]

10/23/2006 11:41:38 AM

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"I call bullshit. Most of your gay friends have not been assaulted matthew shephard style."

I think that's just an example of some of the things that have happened to SOME of his gay friends.

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"And why exactly is it NOT ok for families thinking their gay children are abominations. This isn't Canada where you aren't allowed to think homosexuality is wrong. I would never disown a son or daughter for being homosexual, but in this country you are allowed to judge people based on their sexual preferences. Its also pretty easy to justify homosexuality being an abomination (given that it says that verbatim and all) if you're into the Bible and that kind of thing."

That's part of the reason a LGBT center is necessary. These same kids are away from home for the first time and on their own. It would be helpful to have an office that can give them support and information about others like them. Likewise, students whose brothers or sisters are coming out can find information and have discussions with other gay people to help them deal with the situation.

10/23/2006 12:03:06 PM

I never said they were assaulted like that. That was offered up as an example of exactly the kind of problems still seen in contemporary society.

As for the familiy issue, of course they can think that. The person we as a university are concerned about is the student. Refer to ^ that post for the rest of what I was going to say. I've spent quite a bit of time the last 2 days on this issue between here at the facebook board and its time for me to get to work on the stuff that actually gets graded.

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 12:12 PM. Reason : .]

10/23/2006 12:08:33 PM

There are a lot of words in this thread over nothing.

10/23/2006 4:33:30 PM

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"These same kids are away from home for the first time and on their own."

That reminds me of another group of college students...oh wait, no that's all of them.

10/23/2006 4:38:26 PM

Hey, you're taking quotes out of context and ignoring someone's point again.

gg

10/23/2006 5:08:14 PM

let it just be known that there were NO funds specifically set aside this year for the LGBT center by your student senate although we did support the building of the center.

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 5:11 PM. Reason : v]

10/23/2006 5:11:03 PM

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"It would be helpful to have an office that can give them support and information about others like them."

an office is fine; but a whole building center is absurd.

10/23/2006 5:24:12 PM

Well that's what they want. This has been pointed out like eight times.

10/23/2006 5:30:59 PM

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"an office is fine; but a whole building center is absurd."

Quote :

"Well that's what they want. This has been pointed out like eight times."

i didn't read the whole thread, but why can't we just tell them to stfu and be done with it?

10/23/2006 6:07:25 PM

Quote :

"they're getting an office in Talley, that's it."

10/23/2006 6:16:05 PM

yea i didnt read the whole thread either that's why i didnt know the the "office" idea had already been discussed to a great extent.

frankly, i think the LGBT community should just shut up about the shit. they've dealt for years without anything so why all of a sudden do they need something? seems like a cry for attention.

10/23/2006 6:16:09 PM

frankly, i think the black community should just shut up about the shit. they've dealt with the injustice of the jim crow south for years without anything so why all of a sudden do they need something? seems like a cry for attention.

10/23/2006 6:21:41 PM

i see what you did there

10/23/2006 6:22:35 PM

i always knew pinkandblack was a fag

10/23/2006 6:40:30 PM

WHY DONT THEY FUCKIGN SPEND MONEY ON MAKING OUR CAMPUS LOOK BETTER?

THE FUCKING TREES ARE DISEASED, AND THERE IS A GENERAL LACK OF LANDSCAPE PLANNING, ORGANIZATION AND ORIGINALITY

REMEMBER WHEN THE PRINCETON REVIEW SAID WE ARE THE UGLIEST LAND GRANT INSTITUTION THEY HAVE EVER LAID EYES ON??

dont give me that shit that they are doing it because of a princeton review

thats my beef, do something thatll benefit everyone and make us not be ashamed to say "this is the NCSU campus"

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 6:57 PM. Reason : po]

10/23/2006 6:55:27 PM

^^a fag that runs circles around you intellectually, i see.

10/23/2006 7:00:50 PM

marko has won this thread many times over.

10/23/2006 7:18:38 PM

pinkandblack is not a fag.

10/23/2006 7:29:56 PM

Quote :

"they're getting an office in Talley, that's it."

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"The new LGBT center has an estimated start-up cost of less than $200,000. Half of the cost will come from diversity allotment and the other half will come from student academic fees, according Matt Haggard, chair of the Campus Community Committee and senator for College of Management."

Must be one hell of an office.

10/23/2006 7:44:08 PM

The problem here is that in order to really be "fair" you would have to give office space to anyone who makes a different "life choice". like that episode of south park, "being fat is my life choice!"

10/23/2006 7:55:08 PM

I don't want my money spent on any center for any group whose existence is not purely and expressly academic.

If they absolutely have to spend money on a diversity issue, let them spend it coming up with programs to coerce interaction between groups. Let them spend it on makin gsure we have some staff members who are educated or otherwise in tune with the relevant issues. But a building? For fucks' sake, why?

10/23/2006 8:12:54 PM

For anybody who doesn't read the Technician daily:
http://tinyurl.com/y2cu6d

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"The new LGBT center has an estimated start-up cost of less than $200,000. Half of the cost will come from diversity allotment and the other half will come from student academic fees, according Matt Haggard, chair of the Campus Community Committee and senator for College of Management."

No mention on estimates for yearly/ongoing costs. With a director, secretary and part-time graduate student, I'm going to guess a minimum of $45 + $20 + $10 = $75k in salaries per year, plus program funding. Call it $100k all-around. Roughly $4 extra in student fees per year.

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"People should be able to speak up any time they feel their fees are not being well spent. "

Speaking is one thing, acting is another. Lots of people like to complain, few like to take the time to actually do something about it. If anybody has any updates on what's being done, would like to hear about it.

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 8:31 PM. Reason : math sucks]

10/23/2006 8:27:04 PM

Okay, I thought an entire building seemed kinda odd. Then I found out it was just an office, and I wondered why they didn't have an office already. Then I read this thread, and now I'm thinking we should create a Dumbass Center where most posters in this thread should have to stay.

Almost all of you have failed at college and ultimately will fail at life. But you'll never know the difference so don't fret.

I think it's hilarious that so many of you are proud to go to State, a school that, despite all its new growth and development, remains notoriously backwards in certain critical areas. In an orientation class I took when I first started here, we had to take a survey where one of the questions was like, "African Americans are capable of learning," and you could select "strongly disagree" to "strongly agree." And I was like, "WTF, is this a joke?!?!" And my professor said something like, "You'd be surprised the answers we get on that one," and she started laughing at the number of fools who put "agree" instead of "strongly agree"... LOL, but still...

We should be taking ludes and smoking joints in between our free love sessions in the Brickyard, not getting angry about something that could promote positive social change.

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 8:40 PM. Reason : ]

10/23/2006 8:28:59 PM

Bridget, when does your "positive social change" ever not involve special rights and increased spending?

10/23/2006 8:43:00 PM

This doesn't fix the root of the problem.

Abolish student government!

10/23/2006 8:55:12 PM

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"Bridget, when does your "positive social change" ever not involve special rights and increased spending?"

Here's one that helps poor children: let's pool property taxes for the state and distribute them evenly between the schools. Let's see...no special rights, no increased spending, and it improves funding for underprivileged schools! Wow, that was easy...

10/23/2006 9:05:26 PM

or, eliminate education spending, subject schools to the market (the only real way to improve a product) and let the students choose where they go to learn.

10/23/2006 9:12:10 PM

^That's cute.

10/23/2006 9:18:30 PM

^ i love you

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"We should be taking ludes and smoking joints in between our free love sessions in the Brickyard, not getting angry about something that could promote positive social change."

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 9:50 PM. Reason : ]

10/23/2006 9:49:45 PM

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"We should be taking ludes and smoking joints in between our free love sessions in the Brickyard, not getting angry about something that could promote positive social change."

Man, I am so glad that I have more important things in my life to worry about than some homosexuals having access to a closet in Talley and using it as an office.

10/23/2006 10:01:59 PM

yeah like the wolf web

10/23/2006 10:15:42 PM

BURN!

10/23/2006 10:16:54 PM

Social change is making this campus worthy of showing off

not giving this group and that group 200000 dollar offices

bunch of crap, its an embarassment that a university known for its Ag and life sciences and engineering has such a crappy campus

but noooo no one lobbies for that, people would be happier if our surrounding were pleasing

10/23/2006 10:19:13 PM

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"Half of the cost will come from diversity allotment"

wtf is diversity allotment?

10/23/2006 11:06:18 PM

^^I totally agree with you on that, by the way. Other campuses make ours look ugly. It's actually depressing sometimes.

10/23/2006 11:14:01 PM

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""Now we are talking about denying a building to a group of students based on who they are. That's kind of backwards," Sen. Hankins said to an uproar of applause."

Another wtf

10/23/2006 11:14:45 PM

Why does an office cost 100k?

Consolers to help them deal with their problems...oh wait student health
A Building to actually put the offices in.....oh wait the building is already there.
Furniture and Office supplies...Because I'm sure NCSU Surplus is selling chairs for like 5k a piece.
People to work in these offices...shouldn't a club be run by volunteers?

How the hell do they deserve 100K? Someone please itemize where the 100k will go

10/24/2006 2:02:00 AM