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"You've been drinking the Sony kool aid. DVD was well on it way before Sony started putting them in PS2s."

First, I hate Sony. Its a shitty company. Doesn't take a genious to see that.

Second, you are so incredibly wrong it isn't funny. The US had DVD players, but JAPAN didn't. Cheapest player over there was like 2-3x the price of the PS2 when the PS2 with DVD player released (can't find exact numbers). DVD stores started popping up like US comic book stores in the 70's. I can't remember exactly where I heard all this from, but I think it was on an episode of Icons.

Now, please stop looking like a fool. The DVD player was HUGE.

1/19/2007 11:38:14 AM

^i remember that too. VCD was really really popular in asia then.

1/19/2007 9:49:00 PM

VCD is still popular in Asia

1/19/2007 10:17:28 PM

DVD penetration had nothing to do with the PS2 and everything to do with the man that convinced Hollywood to adopt the format.

1/19/2007 10:30:16 PM

I read somewhere that the blu ray / hd are using different video compression. Has any extensive comparison of the image reproduction of these two formats been done? Does this at least nullify the blu ray capacity advantage (for movies, not data storage)?

1/19/2007 11:08:06 PM

they started out using different compression. They are both capable of running the same ones. There are no inherent advantages to either format in that regard. But Blu-Ray has more storage space, making it the better choice.

1/19/2007 11:45:35 PM

I thought there would be one standard compression for each format (hd or blu). Are all players going to be built to decode both?

Actually, it looks like that could be possible. I just ran across one example of a monolithic solution for decoding both formats, anounced over a year ago.
Source: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060104-5896.html

[Edited on January 20, 2007 at 12:01 AM. Reason : mmmm... chips]

1/19/2007 11:57:26 PM

Quote :

"But Blu-Ray has more storage space, making it the better choice."

nope...HD-DVD is up to 51gb

1/20/2007 11:16:24 AM

per layer blu-ray has more so as soon as hd dvd makes a new layer bluray will too.

1/20/2007 12:39:04 PM

aha

now we're back to the schick/gillette battle.

1/20/2007 1:01:04 PM

gl writing to all your different layers

1/20/2007 2:49:08 PM

Quote :

"they started out using different compression. They are both capable of running the same ones. There are no inherent advantages to either format in that regard. But Blu-Ray has more storage space, making it the better choice. "

initial blu-ray dvds were using mpeg-2 and sony released ones still were a month ago when i cared enough to look.

youre not smart but look up the origin and date of mpeg-2

1/21/2007 10:04:42 AM

I am dying for your approval

1/22/2007 9:06:23 AM

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/01/bluray_drm_crac.html

1/22/2007 12:17:18 PM

http://tinyurl.com/32l82c
X-rated industry finds high definition is too graphic

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"The studios said their experience using the technology gives them an advantage in understanding how to cope with the mixed blessing of hypercrisp images. Their techniques include using post-production tools that let them digitally soften the actors' skin tone. "It takes away the blemishes and the pits and harshness and makes it look like they have baby skin," said the director known as Joone, who made "Pirat"

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""I tell the girls to work out more, cut down on the carbs, hit the treadmill.""

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""I'm having my breasts redone because of HD," she said."

Quote :

""We kept stopping and trying to hide it. We put on makeup and powder, but there was no way," Samson said. Finally, they tried another approach: "We just changed positions," she said."

1/23/2007 12:23:35 AM

wow

1/23/2007 12:02:13 PM

hahahahaha, that pretty much mirrors the point of my original post in this thread.

1/23/2007 12:55:43 PM

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/456

BluRay has a 2:1 advantage in sales now and has almost caught up to HD-DVD in total sales since release

2/1/2007 1:27:16 PM

yeah.. wow. Sony is really shooting themselves in the foot with Blu-Ray. You guys were SO right.


LOLZ I am an internet analyst

[Edited on February 1, 2007 at 3:36 PM. Reason : df]

2/1/2007 3:35:49 PM

haha you silly fanboys.

2/1/2007 3:37:42 PM

I am a BIG fan of not having to go out and buy inferior hardware a few years from now because of this silly 'war'.

yep, i'm a fanboy.

[Edited on February 1, 2007 at 3:40 PM. Reason : d]

2/1/2007 3:39:34 PM

You do realize that the 2:1 margin they are talking about is for a whole TWO weeks and that its for DVDs sold not systems sold. Also they even say that during those two weeks Blue-Ray had two new release and and HD-DVD had none. Don't you think that affected the sale of DVDs for those weeks?

2/1/2007 4:54:02 PM

More interestingly, VideoScan's numbers indicate that during the seven days between Jan 7 and Jan 14, Blu-ray managed to close the gap of total discs sold since inception with HD DVD by over seven percentage points, suggesting that if the current trend continues, the two formats could be at disc sales parity within weeks.

2/1/2007 6:07:31 PM

Have fun with the BluRay/HDDVD war. I won't be buying either until DVDs are not longer available.

2/2/2007 8:44:50 AM

all i care is netflix has both and its only 200 bucks to add hd dvd to my xbox

and i'm sure i'll get a ps3 in a year or so.

2/2/2007 9:07:51 AM

Have fun with the BluRay/HDDVD war. I won't be buying either until just one is left standing.

2/2/2007 10:15:51 AM

LASER DISCS ARE COMING BACK....I SWEAR!!!!

2/2/2007 10:17:24 AM

Have fun with the BluRay/HDDVD war. I won't be buying either until just one is left standing.

2/2/2007 12:09:32 PM

i own about 7 dvds

i'm excited about the super formats

2/2/2007 12:17:15 PM

Same here. I own about 8-10


My next TV will probably be this holiday season, so hopefully 1080p will drop a bunch by then and this war will have something close to a winner.

2/2/2007 12:20:13 PM

no $... we get it.

2/2/2007 2:49:21 PM

It just happens to be convenient that I'm broke right now.

2/2/2007 3:00:18 PM

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070213-8837.html

2/14/2007 9:50:50 AM

i'm starting to get a little frustrated seeing some titles i like only on blu-ray...if that keeps up for too long i will have to get a ps3 just to watch the movies

2/14/2007 1:34:45 PM

Quote :

"More interestingly, VideoScan's numbers indicate that during the seven days between Jan 7 and Jan 14, Blu-ray managed to close the gap of total discs sold since inception with HD DVD by over seven percentage points, suggesting that if the current trend continues, the two formats could be at disc sales parity within weeks."

Yeah, and if PS3 sales continued like they did during launch week, we'd still have people trampling each other trying to get to the store . . . as opposed to the units just sitting on the shelves now.

That argument reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons where Disco Stu is trying to show Homer how Disco is such a great investment since it was booming in the 70's.

Trying to base a prediction on a 7 day period is just amusing. Remember kids, there are 3 types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Good luck to both, I won't be buying either until one is left standing (and I have an HD tv).

2/14/2007 2:32:33 PM

I've been buying a blu-ray disk every couple weeks. I'm in love with the resolution of it... I can't bring myself to buy any more DVDs.

2/14/2007 8:29:43 PM

Quote :

"LASER DISCS ARE COMING BACK....I SWEAR!!!! "

Analog is awesome

see : CRT

2/14/2007 9:02:57 PM

my analog computer is so l337!~

2/14/2007 9:26:48 PM

i fear it is hd-dvd that is going to lose... i couldn't find one decent title last weekend in stores

netflix is the only place

2/15/2007 10:50:17 PM

^yeah, me too... and the good ones that are out on hd-dvd are also on blu-ray

2/16/2007 12:49:47 AM

Sony with a strategic move

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070226-8925.html

2/26/2007 4:05:33 PM

I fail to see how lowering the price of a standalone player to $100 more than what a PS3 already sells for is gonna make a bit of difference. Even if you weren't interested in buying a PS3 for its gaming capabilities, why wouldn't you get one if you were gonna buy a blu-ray player? I guess maybe because of its size?

2/26/2007 4:19:27 PM

Most of us don't have to deal with the WAF, but it's real, and is a very big reason to many many people to pay $100 more for the same functionality.

2/26/2007 4:37:36 PM

I suppose. God help me if I'm ever that whipped.

2/26/2007 6:02:20 PM

the departed is great on hd-dvd and phantom of the opera is pretty darn incredible

2/26/2007 6:26:03 PM

some more links
http://fe16.news.re3.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070226/ap_on_hi_te/sony_blu_ray_player
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Industry_Trends/Disc_Sales/VideoScan:_Overall_Blu-ray_Disc_Sales_Now_Surpass_HD_DVD/489

[Edited on February 26, 2007 at 11:56 PM. Reason : ,]

2/26/2007 11:49:25 PM

don't call it a comeback!

2/27/2007 8:39:06 AM

It's simple why Blue Ray will fail. Cost of licensing.

Sony is known for it's archaic pricing models and ridiculous rules associated with it's product. They pick and choose who is allowed to use it's technology. Seriously, you cannot just fill out an application and pay a fee to use sony technology. Ask any engineer who works with sony created hardware. It's retarded.

HD-DVD, will win simply because it has less restrictions. Once Sony gets that idea then honestly I can't see any sony product succeeding as a mainstream item. Their cellphones aren't, their video game consoles aren't, their TV's aren't, ... you getting the trend right?

Playstation 1 succeeded ONLY because there weren't any other options that were as good! Nintendo was still going with cartridge based stuff. Playstation 2 succeeded only until XBOX came out and blew it the fuck away.

You know why XBOX blew it away? Because the game companies didn't have to deal with Sony's absolutely retarded contracts etc. It's much harder to meet Sony's guidelines than Microsofts and this was coming from me working for Red Storm Entertainment and eating lunch with the game dev's all the time. Sony's spec sheet was like 50 pages long where Xbox's was like 20.

2/27/2007 9:50:39 AM

from the article ^^^

Meanwhile, Ken Graffeo from HD DVD backing Universal Studios Home Entertainment attributed Blu-ray's win to the larger number of new Blu-ray titles that hit the market in the first six weeks of the year, and pointed to HD DVD's superior attach rate, which he said remains five times greater than Blu-ray's, saying: "Given that the life-to-date title sales ratios are close to 1:1, and given that Blu-ray has a 5:1 ratio right now on the hardware side due to the PS3, why aren’t Blu-ray software sales outpacing HD DVD by a similar ratio?"

2/27/2007 9:52:15 AM

Quote :

"Playstation 2 succeeded only until XBOX came out and blew it the fuck away"

Is this really true? I was under the impression that the PS2 was generally the winner in this department.

2/27/2007 9:58:50 AM