nor should it be blindly refuted without actual conclusive evidence contrary to the point.

1/20/2007 12:17:02 PM

That study's flawed as hell.

It uses the House of Representatives to define politically neutral. Any coverage less conservative than the 2004 House of Representatives is considered "liberal."

I think we can all agree that the 2004 HoR was definitely not politically centrist.

1/20/2007 1:59:36 PM

they actually adressed that by saying that both sides were given equal speaking time under house rules.

1/20/2007 2:55:42 PM

kind of like how the study that "proved" that the fox news audience was less informed

of course, if they'd chosen different questions, its likely NPR's audience would have appeared just as misinformed.

studies to prove political points are stupid and worthless.

1/20/2007 2:58:14 PM

they did prove that they were less informed on the specific issues talked about. and they did prove that the more someone watched fox news the less likely they were to be correct on those specific issues. its not like they picked unimportant topics. Whether or not we found evidence linking Sadaam to 9-11 is a pretty big deal.

Second, its not "likely" at all. Its possible, and testable. But that is about it.

1/20/2007 3:02:26 PM

at least that study showed that npr wasnt biased, so you all can quit fucking whining about that

1/20/2007 3:12:25 PM

Make of this what you will: Apparently, NBC News will not release its list of contributors. In contrast, Fox News lists all contributors on its Web site. Does it matter?

2/9/2007 6:35:39 PM

did fox news list the contributor who came up with the madrassa claim?

2/9/2007 6:37:09 PM

^ I'm not sure. And there are differences among researchers, stringers, contributers, and so on--but sometimes the distinctions may be fine ones, I grant you.

[Edited on February 9, 2007 at 6:43 PM. Reason : PS: I know they claimed that the story came from the Hillary camp, but who knows.]

2/9/2007 6:42:55 PM

Who contributed the story about Kerry's African mistress?

I'm still waiting for the public apology/firing for that one.

2/9/2007 6:50:22 PM

^^And who is their contributor to claim it came from hillary's camp?

2/9/2007 6:51:18 PM

Also, who contributed the story saying that Pelosi directly requested the bigger jet?

2/9/2007 6:53:32 PM

^ I don't know if they ever said that. From what I understand, it was Murtha's request/inquiry.

2/9/2007 6:59:16 PM

Dude, I read a Fox News report directly stating that Pelosi requested the jet.

When in fact she had absolutely nothing to do with it.

When's Brit Hume going to be given the ax?

2/9/2007 7:02:01 PM

npr straightens it all out
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7283476

2/9/2007 7:24:32 PM

there is a funny video with mchenry trying to make a big deal of this. he is becoming a joke very quickly.

2/9/2007 7:28:55 PM

My question was the result of the William Arkin controversy:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251091,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?020707/020707_oreilly_miller&OReilly_Factor&Miller%2520Time%2521&Miller%2520Time%2521&O%2527Reilly%2520Factor&-1&Shows&418&&&exp

[Edited on February 9, 2007 at 10:22 PM. Reason : ^^ PS: NPR didn't straighten out anything. Did Pelosi ask for the plane or not?]

2/9/2007 10:19:06 PM

it was something offered by the military originally to hastert after 9/11, because he was third in line if something happened (i think that decision was perfectly reasonable). they just kept the same procedures in place for her, which is, "if she wants transport on a military plane she is given room for herself and a limited number of staff so long as space is available and a plane is going that way.

2/9/2007 10:30:16 PM

Quote :

"bigun20: I find it amusing that you can put all the evidence out there in the world (the 75% or so of articles/stories are negative about Iraq and Bush), but liberals will call Fox News bias....and only point to a handful of newscasts to prove their point. Its like in the other thread where I said if Fox is so bias then why dont we all watch the programs for a couple of weeks and record what we think is bias......and BridgetSPK's answer was "we dont have to prove it, it just is"."

If you're gonna say this shit about me, you gotta quote and link it, and I'd appreciate a heads-up via PM that you're inviting me into a thread that I haven't been actively involved in. "We don't have to prove it" sounds like something I'd say on this topic because, no, I'm not gonna waste my time on this bullshit. This thread in particular is full of ridiculous crap coming from everyone.

I'm more offended by the stuff coming from the liberals here. It makes me sick that some people in the party that I associate with can't stop talking about these uneducated, redneck, homophobic, NASCAR-loving, stupid, average Americans...I think it's really, really silly to characterize the "other side" like that because that's just not the case. Some liberals like to believe that if we could just educate these "backwards conservative voters," then they'd see the light and vote liberal. Bullshit. And that condescending attitude isn't going to pull in any votes either.

See, a lot of my extended family votes conservative. They don't like people telling them that they don't know what's good for them. They go to church and are big into charity. They value a strong military. They value hard work over formal education. They don't give a fuck if gays can't get married cause they aren't gay, and they don't see that affecting them at all (and they're right...it doesn't affect them.) They like their guns. They detest taxes and most of the government (there's a compelling historical explanation for this). They care about the environment, and probably do more for it than any Prius-driving poser. And they like to take care of things on their own: they'll grow their own food before they'll buy it at the super market, they'll borrow and lend things before buying crap they're gonna throw out after one use, and they'll start a community-wide boycott of any offending establishment at the drop of a hat. And they're justifiably wary of smooth-talking outsiders. They're not stupid, and they're far from average.

2/9/2007 10:52:38 PM

^^ No, it's more complicated than that. Somebody requested a significantly larger plane. Who made the request? The artful dodging--if such is the case--seems to have replaced the story of the larger plane.

FYI: I don't object to Pelosi having a large plane; the cost would be infinitesimal relative to the overall US budget. And Pelosi is third in the line of succession to the presidency; she deserves military protection and transport. Hell, if something ever happened to her, some people would be screaming about more security not having been provided.

^ PS: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain" (Sir Winston Churchill). Sounds like somebody's on the road to sociopolitical conversion!

[Edited on February 9, 2007 at 10:57 PM. Reason : ^]

[Edited on February 9, 2007 at 11:06 PM. Reason : ^ But I'm sure you'll call me some name and deny it.]

2/9/2007 10:56:55 PM

The House Sergeant at Arms requested it. He believed the larger jet was appropriate for security reasons (no refueling needed for the trip from DC to CA)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/09/pelosi.plane/index.html

Quote :

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not request a larger plane for personal use to travel cross-country without stopping, Bill Livingood, the House sergeant at arms, said Thursday. Livingood said the request was his, and he made it for security reasons. "The fact that Speaker Pelosi lives in California compelled me to request an aircraft that is capable of making non-stop flights for security purposes, unless such an aircraft is unavailable," Livingood, who has been at his post for 11 years, said in a written statement. "I regret that an issue that is exclusively considered and decided in a security context has evolved into a political issue," the statement said. Pelosi is striking back against accusations she asked for a plane larger and more expensive than the one used by former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, a claim published last week in The Washington Times. The Times article, headlined "Pelosi's Power Trip -- Non-stop Nancy Seeks Flight of Fancy," led the Republican National Committee to send out a research briefing and blast Pelosi on the House floor."

When is the Washington Times going to fire someone over this?

2/9/2007 11:05:31 PM

Quote :

"^ PS: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain" (Sir Winston Churchill). Sounds like somebody's on the road to sociopolitical conversion! [Edited on February 9, 2007 at 10:57 PM. Reason : ^] [Edited on February 9, 2007 at 11:06 PM. Reason : ^ But I'm sure you'll call me some name and deny it.]"

I've heard that quote probably a hundred times.

My highly-educated, successful, almost 60, liberal parents find it mildly amusing.

(By the way, you should have at least used a semicolon in there.)

2/9/2007 11:11:06 PM

Quote :

"If that bitch Churchill wants to talk shit about me he can say it to my face."

-Franklin Delano Roosevelt

[Edited on February 9, 2007 at 11:15 PM. Reason : .]

2/9/2007 11:14:20 PM

^^ You really should not have gone there. First, I copied and pasted the quotation at issue as I found it, which is what one is supposed to do. Second, the punctuation in question is correct; the construction is what is known as a "balanced sentence." (I would not expect you to know of it.) Witness the following example: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" (John F. Kennedy). The comma acts as a fulcrum giving equal weight to each element of the sentence. Third, one should never hyphenate ly adverbs before ed adjectives as you did ("highly-educated" [sic]).

They call me the bus driver, because I WILL take you to school. BTW, pwnt.

PS: If I were writing such a sentence, I would use commas to indicate the if statements and I would use a semicolon. So, your instincts are good.

[Edited on February 9, 2007 at 11:28 PM. Reason : .]

2/9/2007 11:24:18 PM

When she wakes up tomorrow she'll no longer be pwnt. You'll still be old.

2/9/2007 11:29:03 PM

^ And you'll still be a stupid history major. How's that workin' out for you?

BTW, here's something for you:

2/9/2007 11:38:08 PM

It's going fairly well, actually. Thanks.

But then again I'm still young, and have limitless possibilities if I were to decide to change career paths.

Must suck to know that all the money you're spending on going back to school is a waste, since you're basically done for by now.

2/9/2007 11:43:40 PM

Haha, i've never seen someone get so offended about their own age. It's mind-boggling. I hope I don't get like that

2/9/2007 11:49:20 PM

mind-bogglingly hilarious

2/9/2007 11:52:40 PM

Quote :

"^ PS: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain" (Sir Winston Churchill). Sounds like somebody's on the road to sociopolitical conversion!"

PPS: Churchill never said that http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=112

2/9/2007 11:53:41 PM

^^^ and ^^ Ha! You wish, bitch--as I sit comfortably in my town house beside a toasty fire. I am quite content, I assure you. The present and the future look bright. Thanks for sharing!

[Edited on February 9, 2007 at 11:56 PM. Reason : ^]

2/9/2007 11:56:14 PM

I'm glad that you're so optimistic about your future, what with being so far past your prime and so close to death.

2/10/2007 12:00:29 AM

^^^ Great. I've heard that, too, but it is often attributed to him. If it bothers you so much, simply consider the quotation to be from "anonymous."

^ PS: Shut the fuck up, infant.

[Edited on February 10, 2007 at 12:03 AM. Reason : ^]

[Edited on February 10, 2007 at 12:03 AM. Reason : ^]

2/10/2007 12:02:18 AM

Quote :

"^^ You really should not have gone there. First, I copied and pasted the quotation at issue as I found it, which is what one is supposed to do. Second, the punctuation in question is correct; the construction is what is known as a "balanced sentence." (I would not expect you to know of it.) Witness the following example: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" (John F. Kennedy). The comma acts as a fulcrum giving equal weight to each element of the sentence. Third, one should never hyphenate ly adverbs before ed adjectives as you did ("highly-educated" [sic]). They call me the bus driver, because I WILL take you to school. BTW, pwnt. PS: If I were writing such a sentence, I would use commas to indicate the if statements and I would use a semicolon. So, your instincts are good."

I actually have my own writing style. So...I don't give a shit how you feel about my hyphenation, and I still think you shoulda at least used a semicolon, "balanced sentence" be damned.

Sorry, I think your pathetically oft-used quote is a joke.

Except I'm not sorry at all.

[Edited on February 10, 2007 at 12:10 AM. Reason : Comma for fun!]

2/10/2007 12:09:17 AM

^ "I actually have my own writing style" = WRONG

2/10/2007 12:12:58 AM

No, I genuinely do. There's not shit you can say about it.

I may not be wildly original (no hyphen LOL) enough for you to appreciate it, but I do have my own style.

Maybe I should PM you some of my shitty fiction!

[Edited on February 10, 2007 at 12:18 AM. Reason : LOL...Goodnight, TWW.]

2/10/2007 12:16:48 AM

^ I can't wait.

2/10/2007 12:33:33 AM

You can't?

We've gotten away from the point: your ridiculous quote is worth one laugh--maybe two.

Seriously, that's all it is. A laugh! So why'd you throw it in there?

Did you genuinely believe it would apply to me?

2/10/2007 12:51:43 AM

^ Are you trying to have the last word?

[Edited on February 10, 2007 at 1:33 AM. Reason : VV Fap, fap, fap. ]

2/10/2007 1:19:51 AM

^Why are you even up?

I thought you'd be too exhausted from seeing your 2*-year-old girlfriend to post...

And I couldn't care less about the last word right now.

I'm years younger than you so I'll always get the last word...LOL

2/10/2007 1:30:15 AM

keep talking bridget, I'm almost there...

2/10/2007 1:31:08 AM

Quote :

"^ And you'll still be a stupid history major. How's that workin' out for you?"

And you're getting your Master's in LIBERAL STUDIES.

2/12/2007 12:42:40 AM

^ Yes, and unlike those of you in structured degree-completion programs, I can develop a concentration in almost any area of study that I choose. Please STFU.

2/12/2007 1:16:01 AM

And what are you studying?

The whole "OMG CHASS DUMBASS" thing is stupid and old. Like your face.

2/12/2007 1:17:21 AM

^ I'm in CHASS, you stupid fucking cocksucker! And you've never seen my face--but I've seen yours. You look like you've got a fucking disease or something--I think it's called ate up with the dumbass.

PS: This is where you post your standard bullshit: "GRRRRRRR!" or "The Internet is serious business." Please STFU.

2/12/2007 1:30:34 AM

If you're in CHASS and value the Liberal Arts, as you apparently do, why do you bust on history?

And, well, you are angry on the internet. Alot.

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 1:35 AM. Reason : .]

2/12/2007 1:34:12 AM

^ GRRRRRRRRRRRR! The Internet is serious business.

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 1:39 AM. Reason : PS: What do you mean "if"? Liberal Studies is in CHASS, dumbfuck.]

2/12/2007 1:38:11 AM

Would you like to play tummy sticks?

2/12/2007 1:41:17 AM

^ I'm sure that you play pink train up the chocolate tunnel--regularly. Please STFU.

2/12/2007 1:50:19 AM

dude, thats not funny. my dad died doing that.

2/12/2007 1:51:30 AM