he has a pool house? where are you all seeing this about his house?

2/28/2007 12:44:55 PM

what kind of hypocrite preaches global warming and then pays money to heat his outdoor pool

2/28/2007 12:46:17 PM

Its dumb from a pr image standpoint, but i like the idea that you dont have to live like a hippy and can offset your use

2/28/2007 12:47:56 PM

^^^ Uh. . .ABC News.

Quote :

"Armed with Gore's utility bills for the last two years, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research charged Monday that the gas and electric bills for the former vice president's 20-room home and pool house [emphasis added] devoured nearly 221,000 kilowatt-hours in 2006, more than 20 times the national average of 10,656 kilowatt-hours."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/GlobalWarming/story?id=2906888&page=1

2/28/2007 12:58:40 PM

Is anyone actually surprised by this? Did y'all assume g0v Gore lived in a mud hut or something?

The rich consume more, regardless of their political views.

2/28/2007 1:02:02 PM

oh, i thought someone had a picture. a pool house may not be that much of an extravagence

2/28/2007 1:02:12 PM

^ Man, STFU.

And offsets--usually planting trees--doesn't do shit. So says National Geographic:

Planting forests to combat global warming may be a waste of time, especially if those trees are at high latitudes, new research suggests.

Quote :

"Scientists say the benefits that come from trees reducing atmospheric carbon dioxide can be outweighed by their capacity to trap heat near the ground. Computer modelling indicates that trees only really work to cool the planet if they are planted in the tropics."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6184577.stm

Quote :

"It hardly seems reasonable--or even ethical--to assume that it is probably alright [sic] to keep driving up C02 levels."

Al Gore, Earth in the Balance


[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 1:03:12 PM

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i dont see where they are planting trees at high altitude

2/28/2007 1:11:18 PM

^ Since you're crying for an image--you keep moving the line of evidence that you require--I think this is Gore's home:

http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/16965/

Take a look:

Quote :

"A carbon offset is a service that tries to reduce the net carbon emissions of individuals or organizations indirectly, through proxies who reduce their emissions and/or increase their absorption of greenhouse gases.[1] A wide variety of offset actions are available; tree planting is the most common [emphasis added]. Renewable energy and energy conservation offsets are also popular, including emissions trading credits. The intended goal of carbon offsets is to combat global warming.[2] The appeal of becoming 'carbon neutral' has contributed to the growth of voluntary offsets, which often are a more cost-effective alternative to reducing one's own fossil-fuel consumption. However, the actual amount of carbon reduction (if any) from an offset project is difficult to measure, largely unregulated, and vulnerable to misrepresentation.[3]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_offsetting



[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:21 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 1:15:59 PM

Quote :

"The Center claims that Nashville Electric Services records show the Gores in 2006 averaged a monthly electricity bill of $1,359 for using 18,414 kilowatt-hours, and $1,461 per month for using 16,200 kilowatt-hours in 2005. During that time, Nashville Gas Company billed the family an average of $536 a month for the main house and $544 for the pool house in 2006, and $640 for the main house and $525 for the pool house in 2005. That averages out to be $29,268 in gas and electric bills for the Gores in 2006, $31,512 in 2005."

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=5073354

This guy is a fucking hypocrite. He's spending $525 to power and heat his POOL HOUSE. He needs to shut the fuck up.

2/28/2007 1:19:34 PM

AL GORE IS NOT A HYPOCRITE, I DONT SEE WHY YOU COULD EVEN INSINUATE THAT HE IS, I MEAN WHATS HE SUPPOSED TO LIVE IN A CARDBOARD BOX

2/28/2007 1:21:42 PM

you do realize why he pays so much more right?

and no, its not just because he uses more

2/28/2007 1:23:27 PM

^^ Yeah, and every time these fuckers ask for evidence and you give it to them, they keep moving the line. Apparently, the truth really is inconvenient.

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:25 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 1:24:53 PM

Quote :

"AL GORE IS NOT A HYPOCRITE"

He's a hypocrite is some sense, but are you really so surprised?

Before this story broke, did you assume he used less energy than the average American?

2/28/2007 1:27:36 PM

does al gore being a hypocrite mean global warming is fake?

oh

2/28/2007 1:30:38 PM

So, I guess this is a non-issue?

Quote :

"A spokeswoman for Gore said he purchases enough "green power" — renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and methane gas — to balance 100 percent of his electricity costs. "Sometimes when people don't like the message, in this case that global warming is real, it's convenient to attack the messenger," Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said. Gore participates in a utility program that sells blocks of "green power" for an extra $4 a month. Gore purchases 108 such blocks every month, covering 16,200 kilowatt-hours and helping subsidize renewable energy sources. Johnson said it's unclear whether global warming is caused by humans, and he said the threat outlined in Gore's documentary is exaggerated. The think tank said Gore used nearly 221,000 kilowatt hours last year and that his average monthly electric bill was $1,359. Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service. But electric company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never provided them with any information. Parker said Gore has been purchasing the "green power" for $432 a month since November. The Gore home is also under renovation to add solar panels, Kreider said"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070227/ap_on_re_us/gore_electric_bill

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:31 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 1:30:52 PM

so if you're rich and can afford to buy your way out of the pollution you create it's ok?

2/28/2007 1:33:25 PM

^^oh deaR!!!!

2/28/2007 1:34:27 PM

polluting is BAD

but polluting and giving money is GOOD

even though you're still polluting

Quote :

"He's a hypocrite is some sense"

In the sense of being a huge hypocrite, yes, correct

2/28/2007 1:35:04 PM

Quote :

"I'm not all gloom and doom about the enviroment, but yet I do quite a bit to help ensure that my kids and their kids can anjoy this place, hell my livelihood is based around the outdoors I just want to make sure that all of those who are pitching a fit about all this are doing their part I hope you're all driving late model cars also I'd hate to think you're polluting the enviroment when you could just buy a newer car with better emissions"

2/28/2007 1:36:26 PM

so what about the new info, tree?

2/28/2007 1:36:39 PM

I wonder if some of these asswipes defending Gore would be so forgiving if we were talking about "evil" corporations buying the so-called offsets?

2/28/2007 1:37:51 PM

^^So Laurie Parker's statement means that Gore DOESNT spend a shit load on electricity?

lol WHAT ABOUT THIS BREAKTHROUGH EVIDENCE TREE?

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:38 PM. Reason : ^^]

2/28/2007 1:38:02 PM

durrrr, yes he spends a lot on energy

if you don't understand WHY, then i can't help you. im sorry

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:39 PM. Reason : ,]

2/28/2007 1:38:35 PM

what about the evil rich people and corporations that are going to get rich with this green energy?

2/28/2007 1:39:04 PM

what the hell are you talking about

2/28/2007 1:39:46 PM

btw not to burst your bubble...but when we've renovated buildings I've called Duke Power and asked for power bill histories on those buildings to get an idea of how much power we would be using during renovation, etc...so its not like its some kind of top secret information how much you spend with public utilities

2/28/2007 1:39:46 PM

okay, so, you can't read?

gotcha

2/28/2007 1:40:27 PM

I'm sure if we would sign the Kyoto Protocol and participate in the climate exchange markets, then perhaps there would be an economic incentive to find a way to curtail emissions. As for now, theres no incentive to reduce carbon emissions. Free market environmentalism might be the answer.

2/28/2007 1:41:14 PM

I just dumped a fuckton of dioxin in the river--but it's okay, I planted a few scrub trees!

^ Give me the Kyoto Protocol; I'll burn it in my fireplace to heat my townhome--naturally.

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:44 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 1:41:39 PM

^^^what the hell fuck are you talking about?

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:41 PM. Reason : ^^^]

2/28/2007 1:41:51 PM

Quote :

"As for now, theres no incentive to reduce carbon emissions. Free market environmentalism might be the answer."

now you're getting it

2/28/2007 1:42:19 PM

^^your inability to read and comprehend

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:42 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 1:42:22 PM

wow you are an idiot

Quote :

"if you don't understand WHY, then i can't help you. im sorry"

so you're admitting that he spends a lot...then who cares about the NEW EVIDENCE from NES about them not getting a request for his bill? why does that matter if you're conceding that he spends a shitload on electricity?

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 1:42:44 PM

Quote :

"As for now, theres no incentive to reduce carbon emissions. Free market environmentalism might be the answer."

exactly, this fucknut has been loser preaches gloom and doom and has polluted more than any of us on TWW put together

2/28/2007 1:43:40 PM

Quote :

"In the sense of being a huge hypocrite, yes, correct"

I don't really care. I tend to assume all politicians and such are hypocrites. This is the way of the world.

You'll learn, Twista, you'll learn.

I think, however, that'd be more meaningful to compare Gore's energy use to others of the same income, though. Then you could prove he's even more of a hypocrite.

2/28/2007 1:44:55 PM

Quote :

"I just want to make sure that all of those who are pitching a fit about all this are doing their part I hope you're all driving late model cars also I'd hate to think you're polluting the enviroment when you could just buy a newer car with better emissions"

2/28/2007 1:45:36 PM

Quote :

"so you're admitting that he spends a lot...then who cares about the NEW EVIDENCE from NES about them not getting a request for his bill? why does that matter if you're conceding that he spends a shitload on electricity?"

respond to the info from the yahoo article.

this think tank released these huge power bills in an attempt to prove al gore is a hypocrite and OMG HE DUMPS 100 TIMES MORE CARBON INTO THE AIR THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON

when it reality:

Quote :

"A spokeswoman for Gore said he purchases enough "green power" — renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and methane gas — to balance 100 percent of his electricity costs."

the fact that he spends so much more on power should be pretty evident to you, and its not just because he has a big house.

but whatever, troll on

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:47 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 1:45:37 PM

Quote :

"During that time, Nashville Gas Company billed the family an average of $536 a month for the main house"

That doesn't seem so bad to me, considering I have seen some of the kids on this very website post about 200+ bills for their 1200 sq ft apartments.

2/28/2007 1:45:41 PM

^^^^ Except that Gore's not preaching to his peers.

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:47 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 1:47:04 PM

i've personally paid more than 250 for one month (in the winter) for gas heating on a particularly crappily-insulated old rental i used to stay in.

2/28/2007 1:47:15 PM

Quote :

"Except that Gore's not preaching to his peers."

$ matters most. If Gore's at least doing less damage than his peers, he's not a total hypocrite.

2/28/2007 1:49:28 PM

^^^^well for one thing...that ~$550..is just for GAS...not electricity...but just natural gas...please show me a TWWer who has paid even $200 for gas in a 1200 sf apt

jwb you are acting like the energy credits are effective...energy credits do this...they say "hey you shouldnt be polluting...however its perfectly fine to pollute if you pay us to invest in solar panels and plant extra trees

Quote :

"I think, however, that'd be more meaningful to compare Gore's energy use to others of the same income, though. Then you could prove he's even more of a hypocrite"

I think it would be more meaningful to compare Gore's energy use to others who are as large scale and adamant at preaching how humans are causing catastrophic climate change

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:49 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:50 PM. Reason : ,]

2/28/2007 1:49:32 PM

Quote :

"I think it would be more meaningful to compare Gore's energy use to others who are as large scale and adamant at preaching how humans are causing catastrophic climate change"

Can you give the class an example?

2/28/2007 1:50:54 PM

I wonder if Gore has any relation to the folks he's paying his "pollution money" to

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:51 PM. Reason : nevermind, only the pubs are shady ]

2/28/2007 1:51:04 PM

i'm sure he does

he is a politician



[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:52 PM. Reason : oh, you're bringing THAT shit out again REPUBS VS. DEMS I JUST CANT STOP]

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:53 PM. Reason : ,]

2/28/2007 1:51:56 PM

yeah I did


I find it funny/sad that so many people are turning a blind eye to what has been made a political issue

it's not a left/right thing

it's about making this place better for the future and he's not concerned with it, he is a washed up has been loser thats trying to remain politically viable for his party apparently they couldn't find a better "spokesman" for this than Gore, too bad he's telling the average folks how they should live while he does as he pleases since he can afford to pay his "pollution money"

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:55 PM. Reason : ...]

2/28/2007 1:52:44 PM

^^^^no because there probably arent any

i just think its not as evident if you compare people in his same income...who is to say anyone else in his massive tax bracket gives a shit about the environment? but we know gore cares...he has been telling us he cares for 20 years...he cares so much that he should be doing everything in his power to set an example for others...that doesnt include jetsetting all over the place and paying to heat his pool

"global warming is coming soon...but this water in my pool is cold tonight! cannonball!"

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 1:53 PM. Reason : ^^^^]

2/28/2007 1:52:52 PM

Quote :

"that doesnt include jetsetting all over the place and paying to heat his pool"

You know, if his propaganda works and gets others reduce CO2 emissions, he comes out ahead overall.

Kind of like an evil murdering dictator evily murdering babies and orphans to stablize the country and improve the evil capitalist evil economy evil.

The ends justify the means.

2/28/2007 1:55:45 PM

the end will be his bank account looking fatter than he did at the oscars

funny though...the threat of teh potential worst case end is the scare tactic he uses as the means

2/28/2007 1:56:41 PM