eh, typical liberal bullshit. make up an excuse to do something that is actually wrong, then claim it's right due to your made up reason...

3/20/2007 11:04:07 PM

the reverse could be said of the republicans.

3/20/2007 11:14:47 PM

other side of the same coin, but of course.

3/20/2007 11:17:58 PM

and it really isn't liberal/conservative

it is more or less

party in power/people not in power.

3/20/2007 11:20:06 PM

^bingo

3/20/2007 11:22:02 PM

that doesn't make the people in power anymore correct or morally right.

3/20/2007 11:23:27 PM

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"If you don't see how attending a protest or a rally could be potentially edifying, maybe that's the problem."

I don't think anyone here has made that claim. The problem people have is telling the students what protest or rally they can attend for extra credit. Why not make the extra credit assignment "attend a protest or rally of your choice" for extra credit? Why would it matter to the professor what kind of protest it was?

3/21/2007 6:34:35 AM

I very, very rarely come to The Soap Box, The Lounge, etc, as many users on TWW may well know

I haven't been actively reading TWW for the past 2-3 weeks or so, in light of some personal stresses, and not to mention sinuses (it certainly is that time of year again, at least for me)

but I noticed the thread in Feedback Forum first (I generally only check Chit Chat, Classifieds, and FF, and only sparingly and fleetingly) that pwrstrkd made (I'm not going to link your username, I'm pretty sure that everyone on here knows who you are), and just now "caught wind" of this whole thing, in a manner of speaking

I know that most all of you take TWW as a joke - that much is a given

I like to do the same thing, as I've explained in previous Chit Chat posts

but destrobi has been a good friend of mine since 2000, and I'm not afraid to stand up for anything he has ever done, or will try to do

I haven't talked with him in a while - in fact, it's been about 3 years I believe, but apparently Feedback Forum is some kind of joke these days that I can't seem to comprehend lately (the past few weeks or so)

there are a handful of people on here who think they're fucking tough shit (I don't even read your posts anymore, jackleg, and I am not at all ashamed to admit it)

but I, who likes to use TWW very casually, and also likes to make friends and peace with everyone, will say again (for any fucking public record) that destrobi is an excellent person in real life

I don't know what all this shit is about "going to jail" - I'm not going to interject my personal beliefs or politics into the situation - in fact, I'm not even going to read through the thread, because I like to hear and see things straight from "the horse's mouth," so to speak

and also because I know you're a handful of corrupt bastards who think they know what's right, in this very specific fashion that really no one else understands but your little "clique" - I don't know, I'm not inquiring any further into it because I am, have always been, and will always be in a manner of speaking "apolitical"

but I do have my own set of beliefs, moral values, and what I believe is right - I have always had them since my younger days, and I'm not at all afraid to discuss it with anyone

I get the impression that all of you think I hide behind my computer screen and do this and that

I'm not afraid to meet up with you face to face and talk it out

I'm not going to inject my personal beliefs on you just for sake of my ego

in fact, I wouldn't even give most of you the time of day

I will put it all out on the table

destrobi is a good friend of mine, and I don't appreciate people talking shit about him, and all that he's tried to do for the Raleigh area in the past 7 years, and all the bullshit that he has had to sift through to get there

3/21/2007 6:35:10 AM

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"I don't know what all this shit is about "going to jail""

Your friend was arrested on Feb 16 for trespassing at David Price's office in Chapel Hill: http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/544138.html.

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"I'm not even going to read through the thread"

Perhaps you should. You'd notice that destrobi was pretty much left behind on page two and that the current thread direction is tangential to destrobi's original post about a planned protest. This thread has covered

- destrobi's walk out protest
- the efficacy of protests in general
- the merits (or lack thereof) of socialism
- political neutrality of teachers in the classroom

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"I know that most all of you take TWW as a joke - that much is a given I like to do the same thing, as I've explained in previous Chit Chat posts but destrobi has been a good friend of mine since 2000, and I'm not afraid to stand up for anything he has ever done, or will try to do [...] destrobi is a good friend of mine, and I don't appreciate people talking shit about him"

So...it's OK to treat TWW as a big joke until one of your friends becomes the joke?



That Feedback thread is kinda funny.

3/21/2007 7:46:30 AM

Quote :

"I very, very rarely come to The Soap Box, The Lounge, etc, as many users on TWW may well know I haven't been actively reading TWW for the past 2-3 weeks or so, in light of some personal stresses, and not to mention sinuses (it certainly is that time of year again, at least for me) but I noticed the thread in Feedback Forum first (I generally only check Chit Chat, Classifieds, and FF, and only sparingly and fleetingly) that pwrstrkd made (I'm not going to link your username, I'm pretty sure that everyone on here knows who you are), and just now "caught wind" of this whole thing, in a manner of speaking I know that most all of you take TWW as a joke - that much is a given I like to do the same thing, as I've explained in previous Chit Chat posts but destrobi has been a good friend of mine since 2000, and I'm not afraid to stand up for anything he has ever done, or will try to do I haven't talked with him in a while - in fact, it's been about 3 years I believe, but apparently Feedback Forum is some kind of joke these days that I can't seem to comprehend lately (the past few weeks or so) there are a handful of people on here who think they're fucking tough shit (I don't even read your posts anymore, jackleg, and I am not at all ashamed to admit it) but I, who likes to use TWW very casually, and also likes to make friends and peace with everyone, will say again (for any fucking public record) that destrobi is an excellent person in real life I don't know what all this shit is about "going to jail" - I'm not going to interject my personal beliefs or politics into the situation - in fact, I'm not even going to read through the thread, because I like to hear and see things straight from "the horse's mouth," so to speak and also because I know you're a handful of corrupt bastards who think they know what's right, in this very specific fashion that really no one else understands but your little "clique" - I don't know, I'm not inquiring any further into it because I am, have always been, and will always be in a manner of speaking "apolitical" but I do have my own set of beliefs, moral values, and what I believe is right - I have always had them since my younger days, and I'm not at all afraid to discuss it with anyone I get the impression that all of you think I hide behind my computer screen and do this and that I'm not afraid to meet up with you face to face and talk it out I'm not going to inject my personal beliefs on you just for sake of my ego in fact, I wouldn't even give most of you the time of day I will put it all out on the table destrobi is a good friend of mine, and I don't appreciate people talking shit about him, and all that he's tried to do for the Raleigh area in the past 7 years, and all the bullshit that he has had to sift through to get there"

haha...incredible

3/21/2007 7:56:50 AM

So, has the revelation that the United States is a socialist state changed destrobi's perspective on the world?

3/21/2007 8:28:04 AM

the USA is mofuckin candy land.

3/21/2007 8:38:21 AM

Let's go to the breadbasket and form a maoist insurgency.

3/21/2007 8:41:02 AM

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"jbtilley: I don't think anyone here has made that claim."

I was responding to GrumpyGOP's post:

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"GrumpyGOP: And explain to me, now that I think about it, exactly how edifying attending a protest can be. What exactly are you garnering from that -- a knowledge that people in this country protest? That people in this country are opposed to/in favor of X? Because I'm betting that everyone who has made it to college already knows that. What new and enlightening information -- or form of presenting that information -- is made available by a protest?"

I quoted his post right above my response. I don't see how you missed that.

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"jbtilley: The problem people have is telling the students what protest or rally they can attend for extra credit."

So professors shouldn't be allowed to give out specific assignments for extra credit?

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"jbtilley: Why not make the extra credit assignment "attend a protest or rally of your choice" for extra credit? Why would it matter to the professor what kind of protest it was?"

There are a number of reasons it might matter to the professor what kind of protest or rally it was. If there's a unique experience they're trying to tie into their class, then they'll need to be specific.

Just to elaborate on how open-minded I am here...if a professor decided to offer extra credit to students for attending a Klan rally, and that was the only option they gave...I would be totally and completely for that. That seems like a kick ass assignment to me.

And, fuck it, I wanna go back on what I said about the war. If a professor decided to offer extra credit for attending a pro-war rally or protest, I'd be down with it.

3/21/2007 8:48:23 AM

Bridget would you have a problem with a professor giving extra credit for all his students who attended an Exxon-sponsored event on the myths of climate change?

3/21/2007 9:03:46 AM

^^I'm glad that you wouldn't bat an eye if the only extra credit opportunity a professor gave was a Klan rally but I'm sure the media would have a field day with it. Just because you're messed up doesn't mean the rest of the world wants to emulate you

3/21/2007 9:13:25 AM

^^No, I would not have a problem with that.

I had to take a step back from arguing just to argue for me to really see my opinion. But I think I got hold of it now.

3/21/2007 1:01:52 PM

I wish that people would stop judging each other and try to understand each other.

People who take part in protests are taking advantage of the rights that they have as Americans, and even if you disagree with their cause, they deserve some consideration and not just ridicule. They know what they want, and they aren't afraid to make it known. It shouldn't be that difficult to understand why people want the war to end, and it shouldn't be that difficult to understand that people have different opinions on how to end it. Maybe if people didn't block communication by making snap judgements and hurling insults, we would actually get somewhere and find some common ground.

Ok now make fun of me for being a (insert insulting adjective) liberal/hippie/burnout or whatever predictable as shit label that you have for me.

3/21/2007 2:44:32 PM

Where can I get a high horse like that?

3/21/2007 2:46:33 PM

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"even if you disagree with their cause, they deserve some consideration and not just ridicule"

they have the right, as Americans, to protest and say what they believe in. But why do they "deserve" consideration and not ridicule? Are you saying other people don't have the right, as Americans, to point out the futility of most of these protests? I also don't think all of them "know what they want." I think there are plenty who are just going along for the ride.

3/21/2007 2:46:35 PM

you're both putting words in each others' mouths

3/21/2007 2:48:31 PM

The fact that they are protesting is not why people on here mock them, though an engineering school is more likely to be compromised of "doers" instead of "thinkers". More accurately, they're mocked for their trite, emotional, generally poorly thought through attachment to discredited ideals.

3/21/2007 2:49:20 PM

i think it's stupid that they think walking out of classes that we paid for is some sort of protest. really it's just deciding to put yourself in a worse position in these classes.

3/21/2007 2:52:10 PM

the futility of many of the protests goes without saying. why ridicule people for having high hopes?

... and I disagree with judging people as just 'going along for the ride' before listening to their story. I feel that it is such a shameful waste of energy to assume things when you really just don't know.

3/21/2007 2:54:12 PM

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"More accurately, they're mocked for their trite, emotional, generally poorly thought through attachment to discredited ideals."

this is exactly what I am talking about.

3/21/2007 2:55:41 PM

I just get aggravated when they run around spouting off socialist key words like "working class" and shit like that

3/21/2007 2:58:02 PM

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"and I disagree with judging people as just 'going along for the ride' before listening to their story"

so you're instead assuming that every single one of the protesters understands what they are protesting?

3/21/2007 2:58:03 PM

^^That’s exactly what we're both talking about. I'm a very open minded person, but you've got to come at me with something more than emotional drivel to change my mind. I went to Enloe in HS and encounted this stuff all the time. Rarely do I find someone at these events who can do that.

Now, maybe it is a group mentality thing, and they become so energized with the moment that they get swept away in a sea of self-righteousness that they don't feel compelled to justify themselves to anyone who cannot perceive what to them seems obvious, but give me a break. Have something more than a catchphrase or tired epithets gone bland with 40 years of use. Their blocking of "communication by making snap judgements and hurling insults" does not impress me.

[Edited on March 21, 2007 at 3:02 PM. Reason : .]

3/21/2007 3:02:23 PM

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"I just get aggravated when they run around spouting off socialist key words like "working class" and shit like that"

that is understandable in my eyes. my version of that is how aggravating it is when people say "typical liberal bullshit"

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"so you're instead assuming that every single one of the protesters understands what they are protesting?"

no, I am not assuming anything. you know what that does, now.
seriously, what the fuck good would it do to assume that they do or don't? If i cared enough, I would talk to each and every person that I could and try to find out where they are coming from.
hence the reason why I find it so annoying that people make snap judgements without caring enough to even make an effort to understand ... claiming that they care so much, but contradicting themselves by being lazy about getting all the info.
not that *everyone* goes about it in that fashion, but some of the responses I have seen are laughably ignorant. prime example: "you must be a democrat if you're against the war!"

3/21/2007 3:07:53 PM

Today, via Drudge.

3/21/2007 3:14:18 PM

yeah, not exactly an example of nuanced dialogue.

3/21/2007 3:19:51 PM

such peaceful people


unless you disagree

3/21/2007 3:21:05 PM

is there any mention of where that picture is from?

3/21/2007 3:22:17 PM

Anti-war protest in Portland

3/21/2007 3:25:50 PM

^You must be kidding. If that is going on in our own country, then we are at al all time sad state of affairs...
Even more of a reason to fight this kind of treason...(shit, that came out kinda cool.)

Just to straighten things out on my opinion - two cents coming...

I have no problem with war protests. That's cool, so long as you follow the law. Don't go around patting yourself on the back for breaking the law. Don't think you have all the answers, because you don't. Get off of your high horse and make a logical, informed decision. Don't balk at your opponents when you can't even formulate a logical or reasonable argument for your cause.

As far as my position on the war itself, I am against the war, but I support the war effort. Should we really still be there? No. Do we have a duty to the people and government of Iraq? Yes. So long as it is efficable to remain there, I will support it, though I do not personally feel that it should go on. I will not stand by like these have-not's and spit upon the honor of men and women who fight and die for the freedom of those people and the ensured safety of the free world.

I support capitalism and the men and women who fight for it. No socialist pig will ever devoid me of the right to express my opinion on that, however offensive they may find it.

Wolfchica, I don't know if you are aligned with these 'tards politically, or simply in the spirit of their war protest. If it is the former, then I have no tolerance or respect for you or your opinion of me. If it is the latter, however, and you are honestly concerned for the well-being of this country and the rights of its people, then I by all means welcome your opinion and respect you as a person. I was not meaning to degrade your lack of spell check, I do it too. I just wanted to make perfectly clear that I knew what you were getting at and that I in no way meant my comments to be any logical implication of truth. They are my opinions and everyone is entitled to both their own and any resulting criticism of them. I find the idea of socialism in this country appalling and will vehemently fight any who wish to impress it upon me.

3/21/2007 4:11:40 PM

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"So long as it is efficable to remain there, I will support it, though I do not personally feel that it should go on."

english please?

3/21/2007 4:18:11 PM

way to pay attention to his whole post and not just point out one relatively meaningless grammar error

3/21/2007 4:26:37 PM

that's a pretty important sentence. i really don't know what he means because that is not a word.

and if he means what i think he means. he's contradicted himself all over the place just in that post.

but these sorts of hypocrisies fly all over the place with this war. i've probably done it myself. it's very frustrating because we're in a crap situation in which there probably won't be a good conclusion. we'll pull out at some point in the next few years and the country will either be in chaos, or will be shortly after our presence is diminished.

[Edited on March 21, 2007 at 4:31 PM. Reason : .]

3/21/2007 4:28:15 PM

although thats not a word i've ever heard of, haven't you ever learned anything based on context?

also when one word out of hundreds turns a 6 paragraph post into something where you "really dont know what he means" you might not be as smart as you think

3/21/2007 4:31:20 PM

that's because it's not a word. it's not even close to a word. i would like to know what he meant.

3/21/2007 4:32:23 PM

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" it's not even close to a word"

and you know this how?

3/21/2007 4:34:10 PM

dictionary websites. i really thought it might just be a typo

3/21/2007 4:35:14 PM

if you dont know the word he is looking for, i dont know how you can say 'effable' isnt even close to a word

course thats trivial...kind of how i perceived your reponse to his post

3/21/2007 4:37:17 PM

He's probably going for efficacious.

3/21/2007 4:37:23 PM

yeah that fits.

3/21/2007 4:41:17 PM

Efficable is a perfectly cromulent word.

3/21/2007 5:43:23 PM

Haha...I do make stupid grammatical mistakes...it's obviously not a word, but I was going for a related form of "efficacy", which probably makes more sense.

^^^Yep, that's definitely what I was going for. I didn't know that word, so I just made one up instead.

[Edited on March 21, 2007 at 7:22 PM. Reason : yep]

3/21/2007 7:20:59 PM

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"A modicum of snuff can be most efficacious."

3/21/2007 10:34:47 PM

Don't you DARE question their patriotism!!1!!!!

3/23/2007 8:57:03 AM

I think people should be able to burn the flag if they so choose


I also think they should accept it if a vet punches them in the mouth

3/23/2007 9:22:18 AM