why can't we just get an instant replay via satellite?

3/28/2007 1:44:53 PM

I will literally shit myself if the Iranians say "Whoops, looks like you guys are right. Sorry about that."

3/28/2007 1:46:26 PM

you are not going to be shitting ever again in your life

[Edited on March 28, 2007 at 1:49 PM. Reason : which is my goal in life!]

3/28/2007 1:48:40 PM

I'm pretty sure that you could have found a better way to word that.

As it is, you could be hinting about sodomizing me.

3/28/2007 1:50:22 PM

NPR made a few good points about this entire incident.

First, they were in Iraqi waters. The British has provided GPS evidence to prove this with verification from not only British military sources but from the merchant ship they were searching at the time as well.

Second, the initial set of coordinates that the Iranians gave to the British claiming that they had strayed were still within Iraqi waters. They changed they quickly changed the coordinates to a different one when the British pointed this out.

Third, they were in the process of enforcing a UN Mandate. Bad enough to seize British sailors outside of your territorial waters, but to pick up British sailors in the process of executing the will of the UN doesn't score points.

It looks like this one is tilting further and further away from the Iranians. If they do return the female sailor, and she tells the British that they were forced to "confess" that they were in Iranian territorial waters, then Iran's case will be further weakened. The British offered them a way out to save face, suggesting that this was all a simple mistake, but it seems the Iranians aren't going to take the easy way out and have other plans...

3/28/2007 1:59:19 PM

^she wont say that

she wont say that til the rest of them get freed

[Edited on March 28, 2007 at 2:16 PM. Reason : u dont talk shit til u get the rest of your people out first]

[Edited on March 28, 2007 at 2:17 PM. Reason : i bet britain keeps her quiet til they get the rest of them]

3/28/2007 2:16:40 PM

or what? iran will kill them?

i really don't think they're that stupid

britain/us/canada/australia/(lots of the EU) would kick the shit out of iran

3/28/2007 2:18:03 PM

still i mean think about irans mindset...

u dont want to talk shit to a country like that until u get the rest of them out...i aint saying killing, but some long hostage thing is not something u want to deal with any longer than u got to

[Edited on March 28, 2007 at 2:24 PM. Reason : haha i just read your post under mine at the top of the page mr joshau]

3/28/2007 2:19:37 PM

I doubt that a country like Iran will turn anything into a long hostage standoff.

3/28/2007 2:20:44 PM

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"britain/us/canada/australia/(lots of the EU) would kick the shit out of iran "

I don't want any of the British sailors to die for that to happen.....

but watching Iran get obliterated would be priceless.

[Edited on March 28, 2007 at 5:15 PM. Reason : .]

3/28/2007 5:15:00 PM

^ you because you are a baby-killer.

and you love seeing people die.

you are just as bad as osama.

3/28/2007 6:03:19 PM

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"Yes, as long as we tolerate defeatist democrats in office. You can't do much in the realm of waging a war if you're constantly second guessed by renegade members of congress. In 1943, this was called treason."

Ok, I'm going to address this from two pages ago by saying that this is a completely idiotic statement. Every war America has fought has had a noisy, though variably strong, peace movement. I don't buy this. I think in the case of Iraq, the evidence for the invasion was tenuous at best and the public largely adopted a "we're on a roll, why stop now" attitude. When exactly we lost the initiative in Iraq is debatable, but the reason the public is opposed to it is not the fact that American Soldiers are dying, per se, but that they're dying in greater numbers each month. That isn't media manipulation.

Second, Iran has everything that would defeat a technologically advanced army. The United States simply does not have the manpower to execute an invasion and sustained occupation. Period. The only option in Iran is a unified international organization, but who will lead it? Possibly the British, probably not. We're not going to do it. The Chinese? It is their big chance. This is all wild ass speculation, but this one isn't something that we can handle on our own.

3/28/2007 6:22:55 PM

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"why can't we just get an instant replay via satellite?"

we did...2 in fact...one from a US spy satellite and one from a British spy satellite...both with coordinates on the pictures...both showing the ship 1.7 miles into Iraqi waters

Why anybody defends Iran, I don't know...they dropped the ball

3/28/2007 8:54:52 PM

So now Iran will only give the sailors back once Britain lies and says they were at fault?

Come on, don't bullshit me. They were likely wrong the first time, it was shitty weather and somewhat understandable. But when two spy satellites show exactly where they were and an Indian freighter confirmed their location when they were boarded by said sailors, I think its obvious this is not the Brits fault.

3/28/2007 9:01:02 PM

Iran...dropping the ball since 1979...

3/28/2007 9:01:17 PM

when tony was in iran land......let my people go

3/29/2007 12:22:18 AM

i can see why they are returning the woman



They probably watch JAG and were expecting something different. Oh yeah, Catherine Bell is actually Iranian.


[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 12:40 AM. Reason : sdf]

3/29/2007 12:39:09 AM

so whats the deal with this, are they still in captivity

3/29/2007 12:39:42 AM

Catherine Bell is hot as shit...therefore Iran is peaceful

3/29/2007 12:42:16 AM

id hit it

3/29/2007 12:52:18 AM

DamnStraight

3/29/2007 12:54:58 AM

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"Geneva Convention doesn't mean jack anymore to anyone."

unless, of course, it fits your political agenda to "care" about the Convention.

3/29/2007 1:10:47 AM

She is only half Iranian as far as I can tell (biography says mom is Iranian). BTW I could completely understand if Aheminajad wanted to go to war over her.

I'd like to see Iran become free and democratic. Hell there has got to be quite a few hot bitches over there covered from head to toe that nobody has ever discovered like Bell.

Free all the hot bitches!

3/29/2007 8:55:26 AM

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"Hell there has got to be quite a few hot bitches over there covered from head to toe that nobody has ever discovered like Bell. "

absoultely

if that's not worth fighting for... i'm just kidding ok

3/29/2007 10:12:48 AM

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"Second, Iran has everything that would defeat a technologically advanced army."

What are you talking about? They don't have anything on our stuff. Besides, we probably wouldn't occupy them, just bomb the shit outta their industrial areas, etc.

3/29/2007 12:04:20 PM

why didn't the royal navy respond when the iranian forces were capturing the sailors. i'm sure they had a ship somewhere nearby.

3/29/2007 12:36:22 PM

Because this happened before and they probably figured it would go like last time so the rules of engagement forbid such an encounter. Loss of life is the biggest thing to keep from happening, and if a destroyer or frigate had moved in on a half dozen Iranian patrol boats, it could have easily started a firefight where all 15 sailors were killed and WW3 was started.

3/29/2007 12:41:37 PM

other than the world war 3 thing nighthawk is right

3/29/2007 12:42:38 PM

3/29/2007 12:54:32 PM

the Brits should have blown the Iranians out of the water, WW3? Iran vs everyone else doesn't really constitute a World War...

3/29/2007 1:26:17 PM

3/29/2007 1:28:40 PM

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"Iran vs everyone else doesn't really constitute a World War..."

HMMM

3/29/2007 1:30:57 PM

ok iran versus britain/us does not equal world war 3....better?

3/29/2007 2:07:19 PM

It would start like that, but you don't think some of the other Islamic states would probably jump onboard to help Iran? Granted they may not be able to put up much of a direct fight, but the only nations that have forces mobilized in the region immediately are the US and British. Most others have sent home their contingents. Israel could also join the fight, but that would polarize the region against the US/British force as it would be seen as an attack on Islam itself by Christians and Jews of the West.

3/29/2007 3:04:52 PM

let's just nuke all those towel heads and send the middle east back to the stoneage

3/29/2007 3:05:05 PM

Most Arabs hate Iran just slightly less than they hate the US, so no, I don't see the Arab states joining in.

3/29/2007 3:14:23 PM

^yup- iraq and iran are the only shi'ite majority countries on earth btw...

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 3:25 PM. Reason : ^i'm sure you know that, i was just saying it to say it ]

3/29/2007 3:25:01 PM

Wow really? I am completely wrong in it then. I thought that the deal was that they didn't like them, but they REALLY hated the Israelis and would consider Israeli aggression as an act of war on all of the others. Thats why I thought I understood that in the Gulf War we didn't want the Israelis to attack because it would inflame the other Gulf States.

3/29/2007 3:25:43 PM

Israeli aggression? I must have missed something. Of course the Arabs hate Israel, but Israel wouldn't get involved if the Western countries let loose on Iran. Hell, what could the Arabs do? Israel bombed a nuclear facility in Iraq in the early 80's, clear aggression on their part, and no one did shit to them.

Regardless, like you said, we didn't want Israel to get involved in the Gulf War, and we wouldn't now.

If the Iranians do something stupid (like on of the hostages getting killed), then I could see more than just US/British forces, though of course the US would still be the major player.

3/29/2007 3:34:47 PM

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/29/africa/ME-GEN-Iran-Sorry-for-Faye.php

Iran is full of moderates. we must use a carrot and stick approach instead of being hotheaded little Texas cowboys

3/29/2007 3:35:27 PM

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"It would start like that, but you don't think some of the other Islamic states would probably jump onboard to help Iran?"

You know there's some hate when Arab nations are actually considering working with Israel to stop Iranian ambitions in the region (that, or just stand aside and let the two nations they fear the most blow each other up).

I'm really wondering what Iran is trying to accomplish with this entire act. If its winning global sympathy, then they're not doing a good job.

3/29/2007 3:36:33 PM

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"let's just nuke all those towel heads and send the middle east back to the stoneage "

Oh, i thought they were still living in the Stone age...

3/29/2007 3:52:40 PM

yeah, with their navy and everything

3/29/2007 3:57:58 PM

I'm glad that some of you hawkish reactionaries are not in power.

Oh wait, we already have one in the white house right now. I wonder how Bush will manage to further escalate this situation.

3/29/2007 4:00:50 PM

i dont like how we reached this situation but now that we are here we might as well make the best of it

we aint gonna get another chance like this unless another 9/11 type thing happens

3/29/2007 4:03:59 PM

^ wow

3/29/2007 4:35:23 PM

Why are you waiting for the chance to "fuck up" Iran? Sure, their brinkmanship destabilizes the region, but they don't really pose much of a threat right now.

I don't like the idea of a nuclear-armed Iran, but forcibly disarming them would be prohibitively expensive in lives and dollars. It would be better to stop with the saber-rattling and trust that the moderates in Iran will prevail in the long run.



[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 4:39 PM. Reason : 2]

3/29/2007 4:38:56 PM

so this occurred to me a couple days ago...i dont have a specific strategy or anything like that, but hear out my idea

iraq and iran have not gotten along...sure they have a mutual hate for the USA but they're not exactly peaceful neighbors...now do you think the US ever considered that since Iran was a threat (as well as Iraq), if we could get people in charge in Iraq who would at least cooperate with the US, that we could sort of use Iraq to fight Iran? Or since Iraq doesn't like Iran, would the opinion of the US by the average Iraqi be better if we went to war with Iran? Would some Iraqi's say "you know what, I hated the US for blowing up all these buildings...but at least they dont like Iran either?" Like I said, nothing specific, just throwing it out there

3/29/2007 4:41:18 PM

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"Why anybody defends Iran, I don't know...they dropped the ball"

3/29/2007 4:41:24 PM

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"Hell there has got to be quite a few hot bitches over there covered from head to toe that nobody has ever discovered like Bell."

Nah. Here's a hint: if they don't have to worry about anyone looking at them, do you think they have more or less incentive to take care of their bodies? That's probably why they are so mad, anyway

3/29/2007 4:51:01 PM