do what ?

4/27/2007 3:32:14 PM

and just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more retarded then the first two pages...

We get it seedless you are completely "ill" at COD3. You are "ill" in all aspects of the game. You've played so many countless hours of COD3 that you know every detail about it. You are better than 99% of COD3 players out there. I'm sorry that impresses me almost as much as the 30 year olds in their parents basements making Quake 3 videos.

You've even admitted that the mouse is a superior controlling device for FPSers such as COD3. So here's your pat on the back for being the one of the best at using an admittedly inferior device. Just think if you played with a keyboard and mouse how much "iller" you could be and how much more smack you could talk to people about video games.

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"i mean you do really think i care what you think about a 360, wii, pc or whatever? "

I'd hope you don't but seeing as how you've posted nonstop in this thread I'm begin to think you must.

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"if you really want graphics to make you to decide whether to skip a console or not this is just ridiculous and i guess you will be missing out of fun"

Actually that is exactly the opposite of what people have been saying. Xbox 360 is basically just an xbox with better graphics. I have an xbox. I haven't bought an xbox 360 because I DON'T care much about the graphics and if I do want some eyecandy I can just load up my PC with soon to be DX10 games. Any of the new things on xbox360 I can substitute my computer for. Are you also seriously saying that downloadable content is a benefit of xbox 360 over PC?

That's also why I might buy a Wii. It is something new and not just a graphics upgrade.

4/27/2007 4:54:05 PM

haha

that is really funny that you took the time to write all of that just to say nothing.

if you are trying to compare me to a 30 year that lives with his parents, btw haha, i can say that you take no pride in your gaming, or you are just arguing for the pc for the fun of it.

it makes me sad for anyone to think that a 360 is the same as the xbox on any front, and any lol at that.

[Edited on April 27, 2007 at 5:10 PM. Reason : adfs]

4/27/2007 5:07:31 PM

^^ seedless and i have both been arguing that 360 is much more than just a graphics update. read the thread. better controller and a much more fleshed out online system (both in the areas of demos, multiplayer, dl content, friend connectivity, etc). When it links up with PC's in the future it'll be that much more revolutionary as far as consoles are concerned.

4/27/2007 5:13:58 PM

See now this thing has the best of the mouse with the ease of movement with a stick.

4/27/2007 11:57:51 PM

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"Actually that is exactly the opposite of what people have been saying. Xbox 360 is basically just an xbox with better graphics. I have an xbox. I haven't bought an xbox 360 because I DON'T care much about the graphics and if I do want some eyecandy I can just load up my PC with soon to be DX10 games. Any of the new things on xbox360 I can substitute my computer for. Are you also seriously saying that downloadable content is a benefit of xbox 360 over PC? "

No, the benefit of the xbox 360 over the PC is exclusive games.

4/28/2007 12:03:14 AM

i'm pretty sure the PC has multiples of the number of exclusives the xbox has

did you even think before you wrote that?

4/28/2007 1:59:09 AM

most seem to be in the categories that the console sucks at like strategy or mmo.

4/28/2007 9:49:35 AM

^^ Did I ever say the PC doesn't have exclusives?

No, I said the 360 DOES have exclusives.

To clear it up more, if you were confused by my post, it's not the concept of exclusive games that gives the 360 advantages, but the games themselves. For example, Halo 3, Gears of War, Project Gotham, and GRAW are all advantages of owning a 360.

I love PC gaming, and I play my computer more than my 360. But there are many games that come out for the 360 that don't get ported.

[Edited on April 28, 2007 at 11:49 AM. Reason : ]

4/28/2007 11:45:21 AM

I'll give you Project Gotham, but pc's have plenty of shooters as good as/better than GoW or Halo, and Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter came out for the PC the same day it came out for the 360.

4/28/2007 1:37:31 PM

Halo and GoW is debatable, What great shooters have come out for the PC since Gears of War has been releases? Stalker is pretty fun, but it's not what I would consider "great."

And GRAW for the PC obviously isn't the same game as GRAW for the 360, the PC version is the same version as the PS2 GRAW. Which is inferior.

PC - http://gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/926971.asp?q=ghost%20recon
360 - http://gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/926946.asp?q=ghost%20recon

4/28/2007 4:37:23 PM

I was just looking at the PC review for GRAW from your link from gamespot and contrary to your assumptions that:

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"And GRAW for the PC obviously isn't the same game as GRAW for the 360, the PC version is the same version as the PS2 GRAW. Which is inferior. "

it clearly is not:

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"Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter finally makes its way over to the PC, and as far as the single-player game goes, this version of the game might be the most overall impressive of all. The massive urban areas you fight in are even larger and more detailed than the already spacious areas in the Xbox 360 version of the game, adding a great deal of tension since this added landmass makes for many times more possible hiding places for bad guys. Also, there's more interactivity to the world and flexibility with the tactical map, which gives you more precise control over your teammates. Unfortunately, all this added immersion comes at a heavy price, as playing the game is sure to put a strain on even the highest-spec machines. Barely make the minimum requirements? Don't even think of picking this game up, unless you're satisfied with big compromises in lighting, texture quality, and frame rate. If you have a machine that can handle the game, though, GRAW delivers a hardcore tactical shooter campaign that hearkens back to the original Ghost Recon games on the PC. It's too bad the multiplayer aspect of the game is so bug-ridden as to render it inconsequential."

So in a lot of ways the PC version is better than the 360, losing points mainly for the steep system requirements for it to play and look so good and a buggy multiplayer. But I downloaded the demo and was able to play it on my two year old laptop, so I wouldn't say the Sys Reqs are that terribly steep. As for shooters, I've been out of the fps scene recently because of so much work all the time, but in general pc shooters are a few steps ahead of most console games. When the highly acclaimed fanatically loved Halo got ported to PC it was just meh, nothing really new and exciting to the PC scene.

Oh yeah and check out the trailer for PC-exclusive Call of Duty 4, which is set in modern times, looks pretty sweet: http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/784/784318p1.html

[Edited on April 28, 2007 at 7:49 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2007 7:42:05 PM

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"check out the trailer for PC-exclusive Call of Duty 4"

Activision has not yet announced which platforms the game will be released on, but IGN confirmed in February of 2006 that the development team had been scoping this game out primarily for Xbox 360 and PS3.

4/28/2007 9:01:54 PM

I guess there was a posting on http://www.planetcallofduty.com/ listing only PC but I would be surprised if it was anything more than a timed PC exclusive.

4/28/2007 9:42:40 PM

Yeah when I typed it I had seen that release on PlanetCallOfDuty, checked a little later and saw that the platform releases were unannounced officially. But I would say you're probably right given how much money could be made on multiple platforms and how many multi-platform CoD games have been released already. But they might do something like EA did, having Battlefield 2 for the PC, Battlefield2: Modern Combat as a somewhat similar, but a bit dumbed down and more focused on singleplayer version for the various consoles...

4/29/2007 1:33:50 AM

honestly I think Halo for the computer is a waste....

but let's pick a game that will be on both and 'intractable' and then I suppose we really will find out...

5/1/2007 9:57:20 AM

hey, i loved playing COD:4 two years ago when it was called BF2

5/1/2007 11:01:04 AM

aha

5/1/2007 11:03:03 AM

Hello everyone, i'm new to this thread. I've been trying to read over and get a general idea of what's going on. But i'll give you my opinion on the matter.

In raw performance an updated PC will pretty much demolish an xbox360 or a ps3. The xbox360 is a more powerful machine in terms of gpu/cpu combination performance over the ps3, while the ps3 with all its cores CAN do some computing power, but develpers haven't utilized it yet, and the cpus in the ps3 are already out of date, and by the time people figure out how to write for them, something new will come out.

I think everyone understands here that both the hardware in the ps3, and xbox360 are older, and as they still work, are not near powerful enough to run some newer games. For example:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/728/728629p1.html

Straight from the developer saying the next gen consoles don't have the computing power to run newer pc games. I mean Fear even had trouble being written for the ps3, it struggles to keep up with what a newer pc could do with its eyes closed. Oh and usually the next gen consoles are outdated by the time they are actually released. I'm speaking strictly in a hardware sense, compared to how much PC enthusiasts update thier pcs.

On the other hand, consoles are easier to set up, easier to run, easier to move around, and well pretty much easier in most cases for people who like that kind of thing. But for me i'd rather be playing Crysis when it comes out, or oblivion at 1200p. And i actually like the problem solving and trouble shooting that sometimes comes with getting pc games exactly how i want them.

Oh and in regard to Halo for the computer, i've been playing Halo 2 for vista with a wireless xbox 360 controller at 1920 by 1200, and i enjoy it. Yes the graphics are a few years old, and Microsoft didn't do too much, or much at all, to change the engine a little bit to enhance stuff for vista, but it's still worth playing and the campaign is pretty much the same as on the xbox.

Another thing i find interesting is the current most popular xbox live game is gears of war. It overtook halo 2 in a matter of months. This game was originally a demo for the Unreal 3 Engine (unreal tournament 2007 for PC) and people liked it so much they made a downgraded version for 360.

Oh and about the mouse/keyboard vs controller debate, the mouse/keyboard will destroy anyone who thinks they can keep up with a dinky little stick(for fps). But again people this isn't a controller debate, you can hook up a 360 wireless controller to a pc, and you can also hook up wireless ps2/3 controllers to a pc. So if someone REALLY wanted to fuck themselves and play counterstrike source with a 360 controller be my guest. They'd get pwnd so fast. The dpi sensitivity on a mouse is just rediculous compared to a controller stick.

On another note, anyone play C and C 3, Infernal, or Stalker?

[Edited on June 9, 2007 at 2:33 AM. Reason : .]

6/9/2007 2:12:12 AM

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"This game was originally a demo for the Unreal 3 Engine (unreal tournament 2007 for PC) and people liked it so much they made a downgraded version for 360."

That's not true.

6/9/2007 4:04:54 AM

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"Oh and about the mouse/keyboard vs controller debate, the mouse/keyboard will destroy anyone who thinks they can keep up with a dinky little stick(for fps). But again people this isn't a controller debate, you can hook up a 360 wireless controller to a pc, and you can also hook up wireless ps2/3 controllers to a pc. So if someone REALLY wanted to fuck themselves and play counterstrike source with a 360 controller be my guest. They'd get pwnd so fast. The dpi sensitivity on a mouse is just rediculous compared to a controller stick."

I don't even know how someone could debate that a controller is superior. There's not even any comparison in FPS games.

Oh I just saw this:

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"keep thinking i will get creamed, lol. i can't wait until pc and xboxlive users merge together so i can show that i can just as good with my inferior controller as you are with your superior mouse. there is no way anyone can convince that in cod3 that one with a keyboard and mouse can out-score me every game. i feel my skill level in that game in a-one to anyone with or without a mouse. keep in mind fps's are not all about shooting. to set the record straight, i am ill in cod3 on all fronts, so don't think i will hide and use bitch weapons, lol after all it is all part of the game and everyone can use them, even the handicappers with the mouse and keyboard."

That's hilarious. I guarantee that I will destroy you the first time I play that game using a mouse and keyboard versus your controller, if such a hypothetical situation was possible. You do realize that's the reason why they don't do cross-platform pvp right?

[Edited on June 9, 2007 at 4:52 AM. Reason : ]

6/9/2007 4:44:39 AM

you do realize that cross-platforming is now available right?

also you pc fanboys are so sure you are right, but cross platforming has not been available util now, so how do you know that you are right?

again, my arguments are (a) that the console is popular (b) although i am not saying a controller is better but there is no way that you are going to tell me that i cannot be competitive with a controller versus a mouse.

one last request: quote the post where someone said that the controller was better than the mouse. i really want to see this and laff at them too.

hahaha funny

[Edited on June 9, 2007 at 8:27 AM. Reason : dzf]

6/9/2007 8:20:57 AM

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"but cross platforming has not been available util now"

wrong. quake 3 online put computer and dreamcast players in the same servers. DC players got owned so hard/fast that it was ridiculous to even try to play it on the console

6/9/2007 10:25:49 AM

if i am not mistaken, quake is all shooting. i have never played quake, but it looking like it is very fast and not designed to even be played on a console.

6/9/2007 10:42:28 AM

all of the shit you've ever talked about owning us pc gamers has been about shooting games, and now you're saying that a game which is "all shooting" is actually "very fast and not designed to even be played on a console" ? Are you making excuses now that somebody has proved you wrong?

6/9/2007 10:47:30 AM

hahaha

all i have to say is that most fps's involve more than shooting, unlike what quake appears to be. just because you have a handicap with a mouse, doesn't mean there are not more elements to play with, such as rifle grenades, grenades, land mines, vehicles, flags... they are int he game for a reason, and we all can use them, even the people with the ginormous help of a mouse

when did i ever say i would own anyone. plz qoute. thx.

[Edited on June 9, 2007 at 10:57 AM. Reason : sd]

6/9/2007 10:56:27 AM

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"all i have to say is that most fps's involve more than shooting"

In case you are not clear, fps stands for first person shooter.

6/9/2007 11:36:10 AM

in case it is not clear to you, fps mostly mean it is in a first person view, but not necessarily all about the shooting aspect of the game. condemned is an example. true the mouse is better at the shooting asepct of an fps, but fps's are not all about shooting.

6/9/2007 11:39:23 AM

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"What the fuck is with all the Maryland hate!!?"

ZING!

6/9/2007 11:43:25 AM

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"wrong. quake 3 online put computer and dreamcast players in the same servers. DC players got owned so hard/fast that it was ridiculous to even try to play it on the console"

the dreamcast controller was one of the worst ever (ignoring such nastiness like the jaguar).

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"if i am not mistaken, quake is all shooting."

old quake, perhaps. quake wars is coming out in a few weeks and will rox my box.

6/9/2007 11:50:16 AM

Shadowrun came out May 29th i believe and it's pc/360 cross platform. 16 players and they can be either pc or 360. I think reviewers said the only difference was that the autoaim feature had to be increased on the 360 version to keep up with the mouse users. Many console fps have autoaim to make a fps actually work on a console. For example on halo 2, autoaim is a big part of the game. Another thing they said was the game is a little crisper on the pc, which is to be expected.

6/9/2007 11:54:25 AM

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"one last request: quote the post where someone said that the controller was better than the mouse. i really want to see this and laff at them too. "

from you:

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"keep thinking i will get creamed, lol. i can't wait until pc and xboxlive users merge together so i can show that i can just as good with my inferior controller as you are with your superior mouse. there is no way anyone can convince that in cod3 that one with a keyboard and mouse can out-score me every game."

6/9/2007 11:57:32 AM

jesus christ
hahahahaha

so you interpreted that as me saying the controller was better than the mouse? muhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

6/9/2007 12:01:04 PM

Well, you said that there was no way someone could outscore you, so unless we tied every round that would mean that you would be the one winning.

6/9/2007 12:02:15 PM

well, scoring in cod3 does not all consist of kills, or even kills by shooting. as i said, fps involve more than shooting in most cases. i said the mouse is more accurate for shooting, but that is it.

6/9/2007 12:04:57 PM

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"in case it is not clear to you, fps mostly mean it is in a first person view, but not necessarily all about the shooting aspect of the game."

In case it's not clear to you, you are mostly, no wait completely, wrong about what FPS means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-person_shooter
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fps&r=f
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=fps&Find=find&string=exact
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/F/fps.html

And i could keep going, FPS is absolutely referring to first person SHOOTER and completely categorizes the genre of SHOOTING games that are in the first person.

[Edited on June 9, 2007 at 12:25 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2007 12:24:37 PM

you completely missed hsi point. take capture the flag, one of the most popular modes EVER. shooting is part of the game, but the goal still revolves around strategy and flag capturing.

in new games there are also a variety of other strategic elemnts such as special abilities, mine placement, grenade timing, and a variety of team elements. those dont require pinpoint accuracy.

6/9/2007 1:33:08 PM

If it walks like a duck...

6/9/2007 5:01:20 PM

yeah I understand that you can throw a grenade, or pick up a flag just as easily with a controller as a pc setup, but still the core of the game, the large majority of the kills still rely on shooting skill and accuracy. I can see a support guy on controller because he is spray and pray anyways, but I still think if a team of pc players squared off against a team of console guys, most of the firefights that are fairly even matchups numbers wise would be lost by the console guys. Honestly more and more I wish there was a game that did this because it would be fun to settle this and have some tdub fragfests and whatnot.

6/9/2007 5:10:31 PM

There is. Everyone check out Shadow Run. Just came out and it matches 360 players with PC players.

6/9/2007 5:16:03 PM

yeah but it isnt very fun (had potential, but the demo sucked),

6/9/2007 5:25:12 PM

Yeah, i've heard that. Hopefully with the whole "games for windows" campaign they'll start making lots of games that will allow consoles and pc users to compete.

6/9/2007 5:26:43 PM

im sure many of the major ones will be

6/9/2007 5:37:24 PM

They need to make GoW for PC, or allow cross-platform PVP with Rainbow Six Vegas

6/9/2007 6:47:08 PM

all branded gfw will support live and 360 wireless peripherals

http://www.gamesforwindows.com/en-US/Live/Pages/AboutLive.aspx

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"• Games for Windows – LIVE is now on Windows and connects to Xbox LIVE® • PC to PC multiplayer including browsing a list of active PC games is free • Experience cross-platform gameplay with Shadowrun now • Play against other PC gamers online with Halo 2® for Windows Vista™ • 1 gamertag, 1 friends list, 1 list of achievements for your Windows PC & Xbox 360 • Easily find and play supported cross-platform titles online with your friends across both your Windows PC & Xbox 360 • Games for Windows – LIVE is available in every country and region supported today by Xbox LIVE® • There are 2 levels of membership, Silver (free) & Gold ($49.95 U."

and listen too what jeff gertsmann has to say about the controller vs mouse in this game. he starts tlaking about it at 4:30.

http://www.gamespot.com/video/929196/6171917/shadowrun-video-review-1

[Edited on June 10, 2007 at 12:34 PM. Reason : asf]

6/10/2007 12:26:14 PM

well yeah I guess the playing field would be evened if they are given some amount of auto-aim, that kind of destroys the whole argument here because if the game is aiming for you then there can't be an advantage for either control method in aiming skill and accuracy.

6/10/2007 5:49:12 PM

both sids get the sticky aim, so that evens it in this case.

6/10/2007 5:52:47 PM

not necessarily. console players are probably a smidge more used to auto-aim than pc-players during games on their respective formats.

still close enough though.

6/10/2007 6:06:20 PM

yeah I know, but the whole time we'd been arguing which control system was better for FPS', not whether they could be handicapped to even the playing field. They probably needed to add the autoaim system to keep things from being one sided and not enjoyable.

6/10/2007 6:43:37 PM

they could just add it on the console side and be done with it. im sure it isnt hard to turn off for pc's.

6/10/2007 7:03:24 PM