Quote :

" Shut the fuck up with that nonsense, bitch. And work on your style a bit."

thanks bridget

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 4:40 PM. Reason : alas a voice of reason]

7/26/2007 4:39:36 PM

Quote :

"where did you used to live in charlotte bridget?"

7/26/2007 4:41:14 PM

^^^^^

Quote :

"But, if you like banking towns with segregated schools, Charlotte is the place to be"

Haha you amuse us. You obviously know little about the Charlotte-Mecklenburg School District and it's history. I've personally known the last few superintendants of Charlotte Mecklenburg schools ever since i can remember. You picked the wrong person to argue with in regard to public schooling.

Learn some history:
http://www.travellady.com/Issues/May05/1506Charlotte.htm

Quote :

"Today, lofty, high-rise office buildings dot the city’s skyline. The city has a population of 580,000 people and is home to 300 of the Fortune 500. The downtown area is immaculate. There are no peddlers on street corners or homeless people seen in this modern metropolis."

aww 300 of the top 500? Hmm.

Charlotte was one of the most important cities in the south in terms of desegregation laws. I personally went to Irwin Ave Elementary (used to be Harding Highschool) so i'm familier with the history.

More history for you:

http://www.cms.k12.nc.us/discover/narrative.asp

Read up on schools before you bash the nations 23rd largest school system, and the largest in NC. Ya know like Dorothy Counts at Harding and so forth?

^^Aww someone finally took your side.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

7/26/2007 4:48:00 PM

^^Yeah, I saw that question the first time.

I've never lived in Charlotte cause it fucking sucks.

How bout y'all tell me more about the fancy stores y'all got? Maybe you could elaborate more on just how big it is and just how many bars there are? Or perhaps you could tell me more about all the money...it's all so interesting and exciting.

Cause, you know, the whole curing-diseases-and-developing-new-technologies thing we do out in RTP is just lame. All that groundbreaking research...BORING.

^I know my history when it comes to desegregation and how Charlotte fit in then and how it fits in now. It's a big issue of mine, and that's how I know Charlotte schools suck in that regard. Check it yourself. And you don't want to compare school systems here cause Wake County wins by almost every standard.

7/26/2007 4:57:56 PM

CHARLOTTE FUCKING BLOWS*

EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS TERRIBLE*

ITS A SHITTY PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK AND RAISE A FAMILY*









*note: i've never lived there

7/26/2007 4:59:21 PM

^ouch. Bridget loses.

Quote :

"I've never lived in Charlotte cause it fucking sucks."

Haha enough said. You don't have an opinion. We've already established you can't debate in this thread without living in both cities for more than a couple years. I have 21 years in Charlotte, and 4 in Raleigh.

Let put this in perspective, you're probably a great person so consider this: someone who's never lived in Raleigh before says to you "I've never lived in Raleigh cause it fucking sucks."

What would YOU say to that? Would you believe they had ANY credibility? Probably not.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 5:01 PM. Reason : .]

7/26/2007 5:00:48 PM

Quote :

" And where is your home town? You can get to any Charlotte "metro" area in under 30 minutes from downtown Charlotte. Whereas if you include the whole "triangle" area as a metro area (any list online does NOT include the triangle as the "Raleigh Metro area") then it'll take you longer than 30 minutes to get there from downtown Raleigh. Any list online lists Charlotte's "metro" area quite a bit larger than Raleigh's "metro area". Around 500,000 people larger in fact."

POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY

The numbers are skewed because when talking about metro areas the charlotte area is considering a much much larger area than the raleigh area and the triangle area. Do the math. Higher population density throughout so if you consider the same radius raleigh wins

Quote :

"charlotte is 280 sq miles raleigh is only 130 this makes charlotes density 2515 people per sq mile while raleigh has a whopping 2674 people per square mile. THATS OVER 150 EXTRA PEOPLE PER SQUARE MILE."

the triangles population doesn't stop any sooner than charlottes so much of it is not even counted in things like this. thats why population density is the thing to go off.

its like in basketball if you take 20 shots in a game and i take 10. you make 10 shots while i make 9. you could sit heere and say "i made more shots than you" but in reality i was much better and if you looked at my next 10 shots i would dominate

neodata686, you're just a big ole duesch-container

7/26/2007 5:00:52 PM

I've never lived in Detroit either...

7/26/2007 5:00:53 PM

i doubt you could be any more ignorant about charlotte, bridget

have you even BEEN to charlotte? if so for how long?

7/26/2007 5:00:56 PM

Have you guys ever lived in Myrtle beach?


/lounge

7/26/2007 5:03:32 PM

i've lived there for a number of weeks over the years and i've been there more than that while staying at sunset, ocean isle, cherry grove, etc

7/26/2007 5:04:46 PM

that vatican city has a population density of 1,866/square km

obviously the vatican city is the biggest country/city in the entire world

7/26/2007 5:05:13 PM

^^You missed the point. Congrats.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 5:05 PM. Reason : ^Are you guys still talking about that?]

7/26/2007 5:05:23 PM

i've never lived in raleigh but it fucking blows a dick

bridget, that's the same as your stance, correct?

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 5:12 PM. Reason : ,]

7/26/2007 5:06:43 PM

Why do you say Raleigh blows?

It's okay to criticize a place without living there, but you gotta have decent reasons.

You guys are the ones gettin all defensive.

Is that cause Wake County almost always beats you on the best-places-to-live charts?

7/26/2007 5:12:32 PM

no one is getting defensive except the raleigh people.

i mean, go re-read some of your posts

its penis envy, really, and its kind of funny. you raleigh people and your small town, you're all so cute!


[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 5:15 PM. Reason : oh, and i've lived in both cities, so i CAN back up my opinion, unlike yourself.]

7/26/2007 5:13:50 PM

Quote :

"you raleigh people and your small town, you're all so cute!"

haha my friends who go to school in Cali, Cambridge, Chicago, NYC, etc etc say that to me. I usually put them to shame though cause i'll defend Raleigh/NC State until they give up.

BridgetSPK,

Your fault is you've never lived in Charlotte and you blindy bashed it.

In this ENTIRE thread i've NEVER said Raleigh was a horrible city, or blows, etc etc. I love both cities and i've said that multiple times. I've lived in Charlotte for 20+ years, and Raleigh for almost 4. I like both cities for different reasons. I don't blindy bash either one.

The ONLY thing i was objecting to, like everyone else, was that you were bashing Charlotte when you haven't lived there. I don't care if Charlotte is the worst place on EARTH to live, you can't bash it unless you've lived there.

I respect your opinions in regard to Raleigh, and i probably agree with most of them, but i can't relate to your opinions of Charlotte unless you've lived there, or spent a significant amount of time there.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 5:21 PM. Reason : .]

7/26/2007 5:18:54 PM

Quote :

"It's okay to criticize a place without living there, but you gotta have decent reasons."

decent reasons like grossly exaggerated stereotypes...just stfu cause you dont know what you're talking about

have you even VISITED charlotte?

if not, what exactly are you basing your incorrect judgements and assumptions on?

7/26/2007 5:23:21 PM

You keep saying that. You've never lived there! You don't know what you're talking about! I've lived in Raleigh so I can back myself up! But you're not saying anything else while I've said quite a bit.

And I don't even need to say shit...Wake Country regularly wins the best-place-to-live fight. I don't really take those rankings to heart, but it cannot go unmentioned in a thread like this.

Just cause TreeTwista can't stand the stereotypes, I'll repeat this fore I leave:

Quote :

"How bout y'all tell me more about the fancy stores y'all got? Maybe you could elaborate more on just how big it is and just how many bars there are? Or perhaps you could tell me more about all the money...it's all so interesting and exciting. Cause, you know, the whole curing-diseases-and-developing-new-technologies thing we do out in RTP is just lame. All that groundbreaking research...BORING."

7/26/2007 5:35:39 PM

raleigh resident: "HAY, HAY, HAAAAAAAAY LOOK AT ME!!!! RALEIGH IS COOL TOO GUYZ! GUYYZZZZZZ"

7/26/2007 5:37:50 PM

jwb, that's twice now that you've shown you don't get it.

We're the ones who were always highest in the ranking. We're the ones who were always getting the attention. So, no, we don't have penis envy, and we don't desperately need people to acknowledge us...we get plenty of that as it is.

7/26/2007 5:43:16 PM

yeah

that's why there's a new thread trying to hype raleigh every month.

because you guys are the best and you know it and you never feel the need to somehow justified your little town's existence

yep, that's it

why are you even still posting in this thread. you have no business posting in here. your opinion of charlotte holds absolutely no weight


[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 5:54 PM. Reason : ,]

7/26/2007 5:45:58 PM

^^

Quote :

"We're the ones who were always highest in the ranking. We're the ones who were always getting the attention. "

You generalize so much. You can't say one city is better for any particular person for EVERYTHING. There's stuff in Charlotte that appeals to people more than Raleigh, and there's stuff in Raleigh, that appeals more to other people than stuff in Charlotte. There's particular things i'd rather do in Raleigh, while there are other things i'd rather do in Charlotte. You're still bashing it after never living there.

Charlotte beats Raleigh in plenty "lists" online. It demolishes Raleigh in regard to fortune 500 companies among many things. Raleigh beats Charlotte in plenty of lists too. It's silly to judge a city based upon some list you read online rather that judging it for yourself (as an intellgent human being). If you REALLY wanna bash Charlotte go live in Elizabeth or Dilworth for a few years, THEN you can bash Charlotte. I gurantee you'd have a good opinion about BOTH cities like most people here who've lived in both cities.

I'm going to make the assumption that there's not a single person who's lived in both cities for a while in great neighborhoods (not in the suburbs) that would blindly bash the city like you have done. It just doesn't happen.

^i love Raleigh, but yeah most of my friends and I regard it as a "small town". If you look at all those posts in this thread in regard to statistics you'll see that Raleigh is always listed as a "midsize" city, while Charlotte is listed as a "large" city.

7/26/2007 5:54:41 PM

Quote :

"Cause, you know, the whole curing-diseases-and-developing-new-technologies thing we do out in RTP is just lame. All that groundbreaking research...BORING.""

This is not helping that argument...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Research_Campus

I grew up in Durham-Raleigh, but Charlotte has a lot more to offer. There's not all that much to do in Raleigh after you spend some time in Charlotte. Raleigh has the college scene but doesn't compare downtown, on the lake, and NFL>NHL.

7/26/2007 6:05:57 PM

if only bridget had a single legit reason then it would be fine...but as it currently stands she clealry doesnt know shit about charlotte...im still curious as to where she got her ideas about charlotte...did you visit friends there? do you have friends from there that told you about it? what exactly is it that you dislike about charlotte? cause right now everybody can see that you're just an idiot

7/26/2007 6:08:11 PM

im still going with a good ol' fashioned case of straight up envy. so cute

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 6:18 PM. Reason : ,]

7/26/2007 6:09:29 PM

btw bridget

Quote :

"I've said quite a bit"

you havent really said anything

7/26/2007 6:11:33 PM

2 cents:
i grew up in charlotte, went to state for 5 years, moved back to charlotte for a job and i've been back for a year now.
i couldnt wait to get out of raleigh after 5 years, i've been to a lot more bars here in a year than i have in raleigh for 5 (saucer, mitchs, sammys, ri rahs, ...jax?, you get the point). felt like i was going to the same places over and over again.
charlotte is more of a "professional's town" whereas raleigh is the "college town." granted uncc sucks compared to the likes of state, unc, and duke. but raleigh's professional opportunities blow in comparison to charlotte's. BofA, Wachovia >>>>>>>>> RBC in just one industry example.
the sports teams are big too, namely the panthers, thats a huge plus for CLT. the bobcats suck and dont really have a hardcore fanbase, just socialites who like to be seen at games so theyre about equal in improving the "city-ness" like the 'canes do for raleigh. stanley cup champs, indeed awesome, but its a smaller fanbase over the whole of the country since NBA > NHL.

not a well thought out arguement, just naming shit that comes to mind.
oh yea and 485 pwns 440

edit: and how about one more way to look at the populations?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_census_statistical_areas

[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 6:36 PM. Reason : link]

7/27/2007 6:07:55 PM

Mecklenburg > Wake

7/27/2007 7:27:16 PM

Raleigh cracks the Top 50 most populated cities in the U.S. List. We are the 9th most populated city in the south.

Last year we surpassed Tampa, Fla., Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and St. Louis in population!!

Quote :

"Raleigh Population Cracks U.S. Top 50 Thousands of new residents in recent months have pushed Raleigh into the Top 50 cities nationwide in terms of population, city officials said Friday. The Planning Department's Growth Management Division estimated Raleigh's population as of July 1 reached 367,995 people, a 4 percent increase from the estimated 353,600 city residents a year ago. Estimates are based on the number of dwellings, the average number of people per dwelling, and the dwelling occupancy/vacancy averages. The growth pushed Raleigh past Wichita, Kan., to become the 50th-largest city in the country. Raleigh is now the ninth-largest city in the South behind Jacksonville, Fla.; Memphis, Tenn.; Charlotte; Louisville, Ky.; Nashville, Tenn; Atlanta; Virginia Beach, Va.; and Miami. “Raleigh continues to be one of the fastest-growing cities in the United States,” Raleigh Planning Director Mitchell Silver said in a statement. "If our growth rate continues, we project that Raleigh will pass Arlington, Texas, Minneapolis and Colorado Springs, Colo., next year.” In 2006, Raleigh passed Tampa, Fla., Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and St. Louis in population, Silver said. The U.S. Census Bureau’s population estimates lag one year behind local estimates. Reporter: Dan Bowens Copyright 2007 by WRAL.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. "

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1641963/

7/28/2007 10:38:53 PM

What he's saying is a much larger area is always considered when talking about Charlotte so the population numbers are higher than they should be while Raleigh is more of a "big city" because it has much more density....and he's right

7/31/2007 2:41:54 PM

Quote :

"but raleigh's professional opportunities blow in comparison to charlotte's. BofA, Wachovia >>>>>>>>> RBC in just one industry example. "

i think that depends on what kind of professional opportunities you are looking for. as a technical engineer, raleigh has way more opportunities for me than charlotte does. i would have no desire to work at BofA, wachovia, or rbc.

rtp is big reason that raleigh is growing the way it is.

7/31/2007 2:46:40 PM

^^

Quote :

"they should be while Raleigh is more of a "big city" because it has much more density....and he's right"

heh that point was lost a while ago. Go to ANY list online and Charlotte is WAAAAY larger than Raleigh in terms of like 500,000. Both the metro statistical area, AND the city limits area tag Charlotte as WAAAY bigger than Raleigh.

Not to mention all these lists online tag Raleigh as a "mid-size" city, while they all tag Charlotte as a "large" city.

You can say you think Raleigh is bigger than Charlotte all you want, but you'll be wrong in relation to everyone else. Find a single list online that puts Raleigh larger than Charlotte. Doesn't happen.

Quote :

"What he's saying is a much larger area is always considered when talking about Charlotte so the population numbers are higher than they should be"

WHAT??? That makes NO sense. The city limits are "higher" than they should be? Are you defining what city limits should be?

Boulder, Colorado has a density of 3,884.7/sq mi but only a population of 91,685. Does that mean it's bigger than Raleigh AND Charlotte simply because the pop. density is higher?

[Edited on July 31, 2007 at 3:13 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2007 2:57:12 PM

on an average weekday the Bank of America building has a higher population than downtown Raleigh

also New York City's population numbers are a lot higher than they should be...the city limits should be a lot smaller

7/31/2007 3:15:13 PM

that's a city....



[Edited on August 1, 2007 at 2:51 PM. Reason : g]

8/1/2007 2:42:56 PM

^ The remastered Blue-ray of that movie is awesome.

8/1/2007 2:59:48 PM

8/1/2007 3:28:52 PM

population density is what makes a city. if i call montanna a city its going to be a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge city with lots of people but boise is still a bigger city than montanna. Same goes for Raleigh with Charlotte.

8/2/2007 6:27:29 PM

Quote :

"on an average weekday the Bank of America building has a higher population density than downtown Raleigh"

8/2/2007 6:32:28 PM

Alright according to wikipedia Wake County has a population density of 291/km² in 2007. Mecklenburg County according to wikipedia has a population density of 510/km² in 2000.

I tried to find a Mecklenburg report for 2007, but I couldn't right now. If 7 years ago it was 510, i'm sure it's much MUCH higher now. So there's some more facts on population density.

8/3/2007 10:39:50 AM

this really bothers you, doesnt it?

8/3/2007 10:40:36 AM

^haha no not really, most people accept the fact that Charlotte is a much bigger city than Raleigh. Almost 100% of online lists, census facts, etc etc put Charlotte MUCH bigger (like 500k on most lists) bigger than Raleigh. Not to mention most online lists tag Raleigh as a "medium sized city" and Charlotte as a "large" city. It's just the few people on this thread still try to argue that Raleigh is somehow "bigger" than Charlotte, and it amuses me.

8/3/2007 10:43:15 AM

Quote :

"Now that i see raleigh is close if not bigger than charlotte its easy to see that the triangle metro area IS MUCH MUCH more of a "big metro" than charlotte"

If all you base a city's size on is population density, then I'm sure you'll enjoy this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_selected_cities_by_population_density

Here's a few things worth noting, if you base a city's size on population density:

- Central Falls, Rhode Island is a bigger city than Chicago, Illinois
- Providence, Rhode Island is a bigger city than Los Angeles, California
- Worcester, Massachusetts is bigger city than both Houston, Texas and Atlanta, Georgia

8/3/2007 11:25:43 AM

Yeah providence, Rhode Island has a population of 175,255 with a density of 9,473/sq mi (3,666/km²) while LA has a pop. of 3,849,378 and a pop. density of 2,005/sq mi (3,165/km²).

Providence IS NOT A BIGGER CITY THAN LA YOU IDIOTS. Judging city size on pop. density is so retarted.

8/3/2007 11:35:30 AM

What are you people trying to say with those above links? Its pretty obvious that the correlation he's making with a higher population density is that its more like a big city in that regard. Which is true. Thats just one regard though.

Quote :

"also New York City's population numbers are a lot higher than they should be...the city limits should be a lot smaller"

Why? NYC is made up of Manhattan, The Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, & Staten Island. Thats where they count the population. What do you suggest?

8/3/2007 1:25:41 PM

Quote :

"higher population density is that its more like a big city in that regard. Which is true"

so Central Falls, RI is more like a big city than Chicago

^that other comment was sarcasm in regards to Poetrickster's post when he claimed that Charlotte's pop #s are higher than they should be and that the city limts of Charlotte should be smaller

8/3/2007 1:29:59 PM

I'm not trying to argue that he's right, lol. But sometimes a more compact city can see more "big" just through local perception. It doesn't work for raleigh & charlotte though.

8/3/2007 1:35:00 PM

Either way his argument doesn't make any sense though. Charlotte's pop. density is 2,515.7/sq mi and Raleigh's pop density is 2,674.80/sq mi but Charlotte has a city limit area of 280.5 sq mi while Raleighs city limits are only 134.34 sq mi.

So lets look at this logically. The pop density of Charlotte is from an area more than twice as large as the area they take for Raleighs pop. density. So obviously if you take a smaller cut of a city it's pop. density might be higher. Look at the numbers, the pop. densities are almost the same, whereas Charlotte's city limits are twice that of Raleigh's.

So if we REALLY wanted to take a logical look at pop. density we'd have to take a SAME SIZE cut of each city, and looking at the numbers i'm sure Charlotte would probably more than double the pop. density of Raleigh. I know from experience that downtown Charlotte probably has more people in one or two buildings than Raleigh has in it's ENTIRE downtown as TreeTwista10 pointed out.

It's stupid to compare two different pop. densities when the city limits are completely different. You'd have to compare the same square milage and THEN take a look at the population density. Remember it's an average of people per square mile, so obviously if you take a chunk of land more than twice the size, you might get a smaller pop. density.

8/3/2007 2:05:55 PM

Treetwista is silly. He's comparing cities of 3 million to cities of 100k. This comparison obvioulsy only works when comparing two cities that are similar and both the main city in their area.

and if you take charlottees city limits down to 140 you're going to lose 1/3rd of its population. Everythingg is skewed. don't even look at county or metro area because when they say metro area of charlotte they are talking about an area about 4 times the size as raleigh's. The only way to do it is to compare Charlotte's city population to Raleigh's metro area and you get Raleigh unless you want to do metro areas and include johnson franklin harnett orange durham and a bunch of other places like they do for charlotte.

I'm also pretty sure the largest two buildings in downtown charlotte don't have more people than downtown raleigh because they aren't THAT much bigger than the two buildings in Raleigh and the rest of them are enough to catch raleigh up.

In five years Raleighs downtown will catch up anyway and its only behind because all the buildings are in rtp which doesn't count in the raleigh numbers btw.

8/3/2007 2:19:13 PM

Quote :

"I'm also pretty sure the largest two buildings in downtown charlotte don't have more people than downtown raleigh because they aren't THAT much bigger than the two buildings in Raleigh and the rest of them are enough to catch raleigh up."

HAHA how often do YOU actually go to Charlotte. You realize that Charlotte's downtown completely demolishes Raleighs. The Bank of America is 871ft tall with 60 floors.

While Raleigh's tallest building is GOING to be the RBC Centura building with 29 floors. Is that right? I didn't do too much research on that but it seems 29-33 is the highest i get from Raleigh.

Even the SMALL skyscrapers in Charlotte are taller than 30 stories. Haha. SO YES i would STILL make the judgment that there's more people in one or two of Charlotte's MANY 40-60 story buildings than in the ENTIRE Raleigh uptown area.

Quote :

"aren't THAT much bigger "

Forgot. TWICE AS TALL. MUCH MUCH WIDER. How is that not bigger? What is your definition of "bigger"?

Oh and the Hearst tower pwns any building in Raleigh. It's got 24,000sq/ft in it's upper floors, but only 20,000sq/ft in it's lower floors. Ponder that.


Charlotte's Skyscrapers:
1. BANK OF AMERICA CORPORATE CENTER 265m/871f, 60 stories, 1992
2. HEARST TOWER 201m/659f, 48 stories, 2002
3. ONE WACHOVIA CENTER 179m/588f, 42 stories, 1988
4. ONE BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA 153m/503f, 40 stories, 1974
5. INTERSTATE TOWER 141m/462f, 32 stories, 1990
6. THREE WACHOVIA CENTER 137m/450f, 32 stories, 2000
7. IJL FINANCIAL CENTER 136m/447f, 30 stories, 1997
8. TWO WACHOVIA CENTER 132m/433fm, 32 stories, 1971
9. 400 SOUTH TRYON 128m/420f, 32 stories, 1974
10. CARILLON TOWER 120m/394f, 24 stories, 1991

Raleigh's 2 tallest are what 30????

[Edited on August 3, 2007 at 2:41 PM. Reason : .]

8/3/2007 2:28:58 PM