context or not the guy's a nutjob.

3/18/2008 9:31:27 AM

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"^ I doubt "BO" needs your support. He usually gets the more "educated" and "smart" vote... you know, people who don't draw conclusions and make sweeping judgements from 5 second fox news media clips. I'm pretty sure you're completely ignorant of black christian churches like this one (as am I) and of black culture as a whole. Quote : "context is irrelevant" sums up how closed-minded and dense you are. "

says mr. sweeping judgement.

his flamatory remarks have nothing to do with being christian or being in a black church, much like if I stood at a pulpit in a white church and declared that all black people were heartless thugs who liked to kill little blond white girls in chapel hill. whatever context I say that in, wherever I say it, is irrelevant.

you are just another one of the black people who interpret any critique of a black person by a white boy as racist. its ok for black people to say stuff like that, but not the white folk. newsflash - get used to it. as more and more black candidates move to the top of the political structure they will be scrutinized and treated THE SAME as the white candidates. isnt that we all want? equality?

3/18/2008 9:49:39 AM

Like I said, you're close-minded and dense, and you will probably never understand these issues.

3/18/2008 10:35:45 AM

nice answer. I notice how you fail to ever acknowledge and answer any of points. you take the easy route and simply claim that I am "dense." you are a credit to your position.


wright is an asshole who seeks attention by saying obviously outlandish things that I doubt he truly believes. Obama was stupid to hitch his horse to that wagon.

3/18/2008 1:56:05 PM

maybe obama didnt think the white folks would get so uptight over it

3/18/2008 2:02:49 PM

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"you are just another one of the black people who interpret any critique of a black person by a white boy as racist. its ok for black people to say stuff like that, but not the white folk. newsflash - get used to it. as more and more black candidates move to the top of the political structure they will be scrutinized and treated THE SAME as the white candidates. isnt that we all want? equality?"

You actually believe this.

3/18/2008 2:10:58 PM

DaBird is the type of person you just don't need to argue with. He is defeating himself in his own ignorant posts.

3/18/2008 2:17:17 PM

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[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 2:45 PM. Reason : that was too trollish]

3/18/2008 2:27:30 PM

wow did anyone see that speech about killing white people from wright?

I haven't heard it talked about yet on here

it just got removed from youtube but im sure it will be back up

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 2:47 PM. Reason : k]

3/18/2008 2:43:53 PM

I love how you guys are all pretending like you dont understand my point.

nowhere have I said that I think Obama believes this guy. nowhere have I said that I believe Wright would affect Obama's ability to be a President. all I have said is that Wright is a nutjob racist bastard and Obama was stupid to ally himself with him. I have slammed Wright for the idiot that he is, but I have only critiqued Obama for his association with him....and yes, Wright's comments on these things are inexcusable and shameful, context or not. your boy OB said so himself.

but go ahead, pretend like what I have said isnt true and keep living in your fantasy world.

3/18/2008 2:58:09 PM

^^ Welcome to the thread. Wright didn't call for the killing of white people.

3/18/2008 3:56:00 PM

did you see the video I was talking about?

even if it was taken extremely out of context, the subject matter was reprehensible, so much that I can't believe it wasn't fabricated but it seemed legitimate

and yes he did talk about killing white people, heres the thread where I first saw it : http://www.jdunderground.com/thread.php?threadId=13445

Quote :

"What the FUCK!!!??? This video makes the others look like something out of "Sesame Street." No speech could ever make up for this abomination. SICKENING."

but the video was taken down, I'm just curious about it cause this could really fuck over obama

3/18/2008 4:25:36 PM

i see where the video was taken down prince. Does anyone else have that video? If it exists hopefully fox or another news group will find it.

3/18/2008 4:29:59 PM

i'm sure it will get back up eventually...maybe then some of these closeminded folks will actually realize that wright is a hateful racist

oh and i'm sure Obama will call for Reverend Wright to be fired for his racial hate speech, just to maintain consistency with his past positions

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3031317&page=1

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"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."

maybe not since Wright isn't technically "on (his) staff"...Wright is simply his spiritual advisor

3/18/2008 4:38:59 PM

A mysterious video, huh?

The plot thickens.

3/18/2008 7:48:15 PM

What plot?

Are we electing King Christian and his holy bishops?

3/18/2008 8:45:24 PM

i hope they crucify this guy for what he's said

3/18/2008 8:48:09 PM

Jesusfy him!

3/18/2008 8:52:03 PM

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"Like I said, you're close-minded and dense, and you will probably never understand these issues."

I didn't read the thread, but based on terpball's previous history, I'm guessing he supports the good Reverend, and feels that he's a victim of context?

3/18/2008 8:55:00 PM

Why should he be removed from duty, TreeTwista10?

As a self-proclaimed "messenger of God" wouldn't a pastor be fulfilling his role in making such statements?

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"hooksaw: The public is not logical and, as I've indicated, neither is politics"

I think we're done here. You're admitting the damage caused is not due to logic.

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"hooksaw: In any event, the church is still required to abide by the law."

And you've still done nothing but insinuate they've broken any.

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"hooksaw: Have you ever heard of any publication doing such a thing--right in the middle of a political scandal?"

Sure.

What about that year or so the NY Times sat on the black budget CIA gulags story?

Or has the Bush administration spent some period of time outside of scandal of which I'm unaware?

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"hooksaw: Obama said he wasn't there--he's pinned himself down. This matters--trust me, I don't expect you to comprehend this."

You fail to realize that your post and your tone ONLY make sense if you presume Obama's lying.

I could just as easily assume he's telling the truth, and declaring primarily as a campaign strategy to busy you and his detractors with a grail quest.

I mean, it's just a logical...

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 9:32 PM. Reason : ...]

3/18/2008 9:26:54 PM

I have not seen the clips from fox recently, but I have heard probably 10 minutes of this guy over the past several months. This is not a case of context. He has a well established record of radically liberal statements and radically racial statements. BO at least owned up to knowing what Wright was wrong about today, as I recall before his speech today BO had been attempting to spin these comments as isolated... Today, BO knows about them but accepts the pastor anyway because of his position in the community or because he is like his Grandma, whatever you guys explain it to me. If I have a wrong-minded friend I don't make him my "mentor" and write books with titles borrowed from his sermons. I don't buy BO not being close to Wright. What BO actually believes, who knows.


Anyway, I am not clear on why this has recently become such a big deal, Sean Hannity has been talking about this "black value system" for months now. It is not new.


Some important things to note from this whole episode,

1.) BO's campaign is no longer above race. It is about race.

2.) His refusal to distance himself from the reverend and his statements today that were to the effect of equating Wright's wrong statements with everybody else's pastor or Rabi just goes to show that apparently BO doesn't think the hate filled diatribes of Wright are all that bad.

3.) We are witnessing a new sort of affirmative action. Black racist propaganda is ok but white racist propaganda is not. Actually this is not particularly new. But it is ironic that those who are genuinely against real racism in this country are called out as "racists" if we dare speak against the reverse racism that is so often lauded by the left. If I heard correctly, today BO said that people who were against affirmative action and voted for welfare reforms through the Reagan movement were actually closet racists. What meaningless drivel. From meaningless platitudes to race-baiting. Bad move in my estimation.

If the Clintons are behind this recent push then I clap my hands in awe.

3/18/2008 9:47:39 PM

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"radically liberal statements"

The word for this is "correct" by the way.

3/18/2008 9:48:26 PM

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"3.) We are witnessing a new sort of affirmative action."

OH LAWDY NOT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION!!

Mobilize the email forwards, everybody! I want you to really roll your sleeves up on this one -- absolutely every middle aged white person in the country must know about this (and forward it to no less than 10 people) stat!

I will NOT let the mud people continue to get away with LEGAL AND SYSTEMATIC RACISM any longer!!

3/18/2008 9:50:54 PM

^ Gamecat is currently studying at the McDouche School for Advanced Asshattery: Logic! Logic! You don't know how to debate! I win! Logic!

3/18/2008 9:51:00 PM

Logic is hard. Too hard for LIBERAL studies majors, I guess.

3/18/2008 9:53:38 PM

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"As a self-proclaimed "messenger of God" wouldn't a pastor be fulfilling his role in making such statements?"

Statements like calling for the eradication of the white race? Or are you too for whatever reason ignorant of Wright's views and rhetoric?

3/18/2008 9:54:59 PM

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"Statements like calling for the eradication of the white race?"

Why are you confusing Wright with Kamau Kambon?

3/18/2008 9:56:13 PM

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"Statements like calling for the eradication of the white race? Or are you too for whatever reason ignorant of Wright's views and rhetoric?"

Everybody I expect 5 email forwards by midnight -- let's get on it!

3/18/2008 9:56:47 PM

^,^^ 2 good examples of ignorance to the obvious...i won't bother to try and ascertain the reasons for fear of further off-subject ridicule based on those inferences

3/18/2008 9:58:08 PM

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"^,^^ 2 good examples of ignorance to the obvious...i won't bother to try and ascertain the reasons for fear of further off-subject ridicule based on those inferences"

Well reasoned debate right here folks.

More like partisan hackery from the worst troll on the internet.

3/18/2008 10:00:19 PM

another fine example of completely ignoring the substance of wright's complete bigotry in favor of bashing another poster on a messageboard...way to tackle the issue head on

3/18/2008 10:01:14 PM

You know what's funny?

How everybody here sees you for what you are. A worthless, self-absorbed, ignorant troll, who despite spending the vast majority of his day on the internet "discussing" politics knows nothing about (1) ethics (2) logic (3) science (4) politics (5) social policy (6) economics or (7) anything.

Must suck. LOL.

3/18/2008 10:02:40 PM

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"another fine example of completely ignoring the substance of wright's complete bigotry in favor of bashing another poster on a messageboard...way to tackle the issue head on"

3/18/2008 10:03:10 PM

logic:

Quote :

"The branch of philosophy dealing with the principles of reasoning."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/logic

philosophy:

Quote :

"The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts, except medicine, law, and theology."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/philosophy

BTW, pwnt.

I know enough to do that to your without even trying, you little fucking punk motherfucker. Eat shit and die, LostClues.

For what it's worth, my concentration is in public administration and higher education--but I suppose those disciplines are worthless, too, right? What's your major again, LostClues?

Back on topic.


[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 10:07 PM. Reason : ]

3/18/2008 10:03:22 PM

Philosophy hahahahaha. Dude, lots of philosophy is a joke, for starters. Furthermore, anything of quality in philosophy is so high above your level that it's a joke to suggest that just because philosophy is a liberal art that you're somehow an enlightened intellectual.

I bet every professor at State thinks you're an intolerable douchebag and groans whenever you enter the room. Oh hey, it's that old guy that thinks he knows everything about the world again.

Again, why'd you major in something with zero to no rigor? Scared of a real discipline?

3/18/2008 10:06:23 PM

so LiusClues, if you dare to take a few seconds out of your schedule of trolling and shit talking to discuss the topic at hand, why dont you think wright is a racist and a bigot?

3/18/2008 10:07:35 PM

^^

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"What's your major again, LostClues?"

Enlighten us, nutsack.

3/18/2008 10:09:51 PM

god man, 3/4 of you seem like real pricks. Just basing on the posts here, although I know none of you in real life.

The speech was amazing, I could care less what the ridiculous Limbaugh lapping conservative joke of a party thinks.

3/18/2008 10:15:53 PM

I'm not an academic, actually. I'm training to compete in the Olympics. For China. I bet that really grates your Neo-Con Republican nuts, doesn't it?

Quote :

"so LiusClues, if you dare to take a few seconds out of your schedule of trolling and shit talking to discuss the topic at hand, why dont you think wright is a racist and a bigot?"

He is, just like most people in America. Like you never have said nigger, chink, whop, or spic behind closed doors. Like you've never gone on an ill-informed, ignorant tirade about immigrants (ARGH THOSE MUD PEOPLE).

Please, dude. He absolutely is these things, but if you can't understand where these sentiments come from then you're ignorant of history. Oh wait, you ARE ignorant of history. Well, mystery over and discussion closed. Hahahahaha.

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 10:17 PM. Reason : .]

3/18/2008 10:16:50 PM

i don't think anyone here is talking about obama's reponsive speech, but instead the reverend jeremiah wright and his past speeches

Quote :

"Like you never have said nigger, chunk, whop, or spic behind closed doors. Like you've never gone on an ill-informed, ignorant tirade about immigrants (ARGH THOSE MUD PEOPLE)."

there you go again with your false assumptions and your trolling...you're not even worth responding to because based on all of your recent posts you're incapable of discussing the topic

3/18/2008 10:17:09 PM

3/18/2008 10:18:35 PM

Yes obviously I agree with China on all policies.

The funny thing is that the conservatives in my country are just like you, and yet you criticize and demonize them.

Does it sting?

3/18/2008 10:19:54 PM

if you're from China then maybe thats a reasonable explanation for why you're so bad at trying to label people (on this messageboard) in America

3/18/2008 10:24:45 PM

^^ You should be very proud of your country--I hear they killed some more monks this week. GG.

America: At least we don't kill monks.

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 10:25 PM. Reason : .]

3/18/2008 10:25:40 PM

Hey dude be glad my people come over here. We take the jobs that Americans don't want are unqualified to do.

Take a look at your Universities and their graduate programs. Look how many people from my country get funding from your government, just to take their expertise back home afterwards. It makes me laugh with joy when I imagine all of the rage and bitterness you cheap peckerwoods feel when you realize we benefit from your tax dollars directly.

3/18/2008 10:27:00 PM

you come across as nearly as racist as wright

3/18/2008 10:29:18 PM

^^ You must be filled with nationalist pride, huh, comrade?

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 10:29 PM. Reason : .]

3/18/2008 10:29:22 PM

Yeah dude I obviously agree with China's policies and actions. I obviously agree with China's abysmal human rights record.

But dude, here's the funny thing that's going to make your blood pressure even higher: China pretty much finances your country at this point. Lawl.

Besides, America has just as many awful offenses in its past. Should we bring it up? Are you obligated to defend it as an American? Is this the kind of garbage thinking that your program puts up with? p. LOL if you ask me.

3/18/2008 10:31:47 PM

^ You're CPC, right?

3/18/2008 10:32:37 PM

Yes and not only did I single-handedly carry out the Cultural Revolution but I also drove the tank in Tiananmen Square.

3/18/2008 10:35:40 PM