it's not a lie. google it.

10/12/2008 10:30:57 PM

If someone has sued, they haven't won. So you argument is still empty.

10/12/2008 10:32:11 PM

that they even have the cajones to do so says enough. That is how everything else started. So yes, it will happen. And it is disgusting.

10/12/2008 10:33:25 PM

I did google it and there is not one lawsuit.

This is one of the many time that you have been nothing more than full of shit.

10/12/2008 10:35:18 PM

Quote :

"gay people do have the same rights as straight people. the right to marry someone of the opposite sex."

Sure, well, you know, if the Coloreds had just learned to read, they could have voted. Jim Crow, who?

Also I think it's fantastically better for gay people to marry women they don't love. I think that definitely helps to preserve the fidelity of the traditional institution of marriage.

10/13/2008 12:21:53 AM

Quote :

"I did google it and there is not one lawsuit. This is one of the many time that you have been nothing more than full of shit."

10/13/2008 8:02:41 PM

The mere fact someone might sue a church for not marrying them is irrelevant. People sue for stupid shit 24/7.

10/13/2008 11:55:03 PM

Quote :

"Of all the problems in this country -iraq - health care -social security reform - the economy - illegal immigration - "global warming" - energy dependence - etc the least of my concerns is two fags wanting to get married."

Aside from the word choice, this pretty well sums up my position as well.

10/14/2008 8:22:36 AM

Yeah man fuck equal rights and equal protection under the law

10/14/2008 8:38:59 AM

^ by that logic, making anything gender specific at all should be outlawed. WE ARE BLIND TO ALL RACE AND SEX ALL PEOPLE ARE THE SAME IN THE EYES OF THE GUBMERENTS!

10/14/2008 11:26:34 AM

10/14/2008 11:27:59 AM

Quote :

"^ by that logic, making anything gender specific at all should be outlawed. WE ARE BLIND TO ALL RACE AND SEX ALL PEOPLE ARE THE SAME IN THE EYES OF THE GUBMERENTS!"

No.

If you can't see this I have no idea what to say to you.

10/14/2008 12:42:56 PM

Oh no, I can't understand your witty one word argument.

10/14/2008 3:50:38 PM

Quote :

"Marriage equality in California is now losing by 5 points, according to the latest poll numbers. Until that poll, we were leading in California. What happened? Anti-LGBT groups are winning the fundraising battle by more than $10 million – and their vicious, untrue ads are everywhere. Our lead has slipped, but victory is still within reach. ... Anti-LGBT forces are organizing and mobilizing furiously, raising money hand over fist, ginning up fear and resentment. Groups like Focus on the Family, members of the Mormon Church, and even the national Knights of Columbus have provided significant funding. ... Wake up on November 5th knowing you did everything you could. "

What hope does gay marriage even have as a states right if the republican base is just going to try to try to pay away the state rights and decisions that they don't like?

Not that I expect anyone will, but if you want to give a donation that will be doubled through matching, you can here (the HRC wont be able to outspend them, but hopefully than can not fall too far behind):
https://secure.ga3.org/03/caequalpac_match/

10/15/2008 6:30:30 AM

I know. how dare republicans try to get their message and viewpoints out. how evil!

10/15/2008 6:56:45 AM

The term "Anti-LGBT" doesn't even make sense.

How about Anti-LGBT rights

10/15/2008 9:37:40 AM

Republicans: Defenders of Marriage!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bja2ttzGOFM

10/15/2008 9:57:45 AM

aaronburro, are you ever going to post that court case, or are you going to admit that you were talking out of your ass.

10/15/2008 10:01:12 AM

meh, the only cases I've really been able to find were in other nations. I do recall hearing about it, but I haven't been able to find it. by all means, though, go ahead and google some, too. While you are at it, you can read all of the interesting commentary, on both sides, where they discuss the very topic I mentioned (not the court case, obviously)

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 6:37 PM. Reason : ]

10/15/2008 6:37:19 PM

I did google. I found zip, nadda, nothing. You are the one who made the claim. You have to back up your claim.

and do you want to know why they can do that in other countries? Those churches are subsidized with taxpayer money.

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 6:39 PM. Reason : .]

10/15/2008 6:38:14 PM

Quote :

"meh, the only cases I've really been able to find were in other nations. I do recall hearing about it, but I haven't been able to find it. by all means, though, go ahead and google some, too. While you are at it, you can read all of the interesting commentary, on both sides, where they discuss the very topic I mentioned (not the court case, obviously)"

So you were completely full of shit, in essence.

10/15/2008 6:38:26 PM

nope. not at all. I just have been unable to find it. I distinctly remember hearing about it on the news a while back.

10/15/2008 6:41:54 PM

I distinctly remember fucking the shit out of Megan Fox one time too.

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 6:46 PM. Reason : .]

10/15/2008 6:46:30 PM

haha, me too

you might wanna get checked for herpes, btw...

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 6:49 PM. Reason : ]

10/15/2008 6:48:57 PM

You have herpes?

10/15/2008 6:49:40 PM

i do now, thx to that bitch

10/15/2008 6:51:21 PM

Quote :

"nope. not at all. I just have been unable to find it. I distinctly remember hearing about it on the news a while back."

So what you're saying is: you're full of shit.

Bonus points: even if you weren't, you wouldn't be making the point you take yourself to be making.

10/15/2008 6:51:47 PM

You have herpes.

10/15/2008 6:51:54 PM

http://www.eqca.org

Not that I expect anyone will, but if anyone wants to donate to help put this ad on the air in CA, there's the link for it (click the first entitled "No on Prop 8"). Has to be by Sunday to get the matching donation, and the sooner the better since early voting is already underway.



[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 2:37 PM. Reason : .]

10/17/2008 2:36:26 PM

Some other funny ads:

10/17/2008 3:45:38 PM

hahaha, those are pretty funny.

Do those run on TV? Obviously its pretty close to the Mac ads, so I don't know if Apple can object to them or anything.

10/17/2008 7:27:01 PM

^ parody is considered fair use.

10/17/2008 8:45:50 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/17/161328/21/828/633798
If anyone has an account there (not that I expect many tdubbers to have one, i just signed up for one recently), recommend this story

10/18/2008 6:35:08 AM

10/29/2008 5:52:06 AM

Quote :

"Don't be a douche"

10/29/2008 8:00:47 AM

Gay Speakeasies!

10/29/2008 9:14:13 PM

11/2/2008 7:04:39 PM

^They might have a good cause and all, but demonizing the shit out of Mormons isn't exactly the best way to prove that. I don't even like Mormons and I feel mildly insulted.

Also, almost all these commercials are nearly as annoying and pseudo-trendy as actual Apple commercials. But I guess people in California must like that sort of thing... whatever.

11/2/2008 7:11:21 PM

Quote :

"demonizing the shit out of Mormons isn't exactly the best way to prove that. I don't even like Mormons and I feel mildly insulted."

They are leading the pro-discrimination charge and are the main financial backers of it. Most of the $20 million from the Mormon church has come out of Utah and into California's airwaves. Obama came out against Prop 8 and the Mormon church bought an ad saying Obama was for Prop 8.

They are getting what they've paid for though, the funds from the Mormon church have had a significant affect on the polls, and a bit of a backlash against their church.

11/2/2008 7:45:25 PM

So the Mormon church is the primary backer of this piece of legislation? That changes things... if they were just contributors, I'd have a problem with them being singled out and attacked... but if they're essentially the driving force behind it... well, have at them.


Still, though, the commercials are pseudo-hipster shit on par or even below Apple ads. But at least that's not a moral issue, just an annoyance.

11/2/2008 7:49:56 PM

What rights do gay people not have that I, a heterosexual, have?

11/2/2008 7:51:57 PM

Many groups are playing different roles in this proposition, but ultimately if you had to pare it down to the two main groups fighting over this proposition it would be the Mormons in Utah & the gay groups and citizens in California. Let alone the fact that changing a constitution to add discrimination is wrong, this proposition should fail because it is a Utah vs California battle to decide what California’s constitution says.

11/2/2008 7:54:10 PM

^^The legal right to enter into marriage with a person that they desire to enter into marriage with.

(The sentence I just typed contains questionable grammar but is logically sound.)

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 7:56 PM. Reason : ^]

11/2/2008 7:55:31 PM

1 day until I know if I can continue with my planned marriage in CA, the only state w/ legal marriage equality that I already have family in, or if I have to scrap that altogether and start over. I have a place to stay for free in CA & a lot of help to plan it out there, I really hope Utah doesn't pay away rights in CA.







[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 7:12 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2008 6:44:19 PM

Found one more of those I'm a mac & I'm a pc parody ads.

11/3/2008 7:17:19 PM

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/frontPage.do

Quote :

"Fox News Lies About Obama/No on 8 Rally in Monterey (+) by: Fritz Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 18:13:55 PM EST On Sunday, I attended a rally at Monterey's Window on the Bay that was organized by the local Democratic Club and No on 8. About 250 supporters of Obama and opponents of Prop. 8 showed up to hold a joint rally. During the rally, between 25 to 30 McCain supporters arrived to give a counter demonstration, heckling us with slogans such as "B.O. stinks" and "Go back to Russia!" And, those McCain supporters began to leave shortly after the No on 8 folks showed up in force. A few I spoke to as they were leaving said they didn't want to protest a No on 8 rally. The rally lasted from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. with huge crowds holding Obama and No on 8 signs. So, I was somewhat shocked when the local Fox affiliate ran the following story: The story should have focused on the number of people who showed up to oppose Prop. 8. Instead, the reporter said that both supporters and opponents of Prop. 8 were there. That's not true. There was one -- and only one -- Prop. 8 supporter very early on. He left after about 30 minutes. There was only one other person holding a Yes on 8 sign and he picked it up from the ground (I have photos showing that to be the case). You will notice in the video not a single Yes on 8 sign is shown. That's because there weren't any! The story should have been "Hundreds of Obama supporters and opponents of Prop. 8 joined forces today in Monterey..." Instead, Fox News was deliberately deceptive. They focused on the few McCain supporters and marginalized the No on 8 and Obama supporters who were there in much larger numbers. If you want to see what was really going on at Window on the Bay, check out my Flickr set for the event. http://flickr.com/photos/fritzliess/sets/72157608604588504/detail/ You will clearly see that only a handful of McCain supporters showed up to make their presence known. This was obviously an Obama/No on 8 rally -- NOT a shared event between Democrats and Republicans. I don't know how Fox gets away with simply inventing stories like this. They went out and took video of what was obviously a huge turnout for both Obama and No on 8 and made it seem as if there was equal representation by the opposition. That's a lie -- a total fabrication."

Fair and balanced.

11/3/2008 11:30:48 PM

Any word on this?

11/5/2008 12:53:56 AM

looks like they are going to remove an existing right by adding discrimination into their constitution by a close enough margin that the $20 mormon money from utah will have made the difference... i mean there still isn't enough of a result to call it for sure, but the anti-marriage equality is winning... i guess they didn't want the economic boost that having a significant percentage of the country's population going there to get married

11/5/2008 12:58:16 AM

dude stop

11/5/2008 1:01:05 AM

^"dude stop"

stop what? someone asked about it, i had just looked at the numbers which were leaning anti-gay marriage but not by huge margins, & i commented on that. so stop what?

11/5/2008 1:03:12 AM