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"but it's fucking retarded to think they'll win Hillary supporters over with such an inexperienced choice""

you give society way too much credit

it's sad to admit, but there will be PLENTY of people that are voting for one of these reasons ONLY:

1 - Democrat
2 - Republican
3 - African-American in ticket
4 - Female in ticket

I'm not suggesting EVERY black person who votes for Obama is doing so because he's black or that EVERY female that votes for McCain is doing so because of Palin's inclusion... but you know damn well there are morons out there that are going to do it. Which is why it was a smart decision by McCain, and Democrats are lying to themselves if they don't think it was the right choice for him to make. Call it pandering or parroting or whatever the fuck you want, it will definitely win him a few more votes than what he had before the announcement. The only question is if it'll win him enough to really make a difference.

8/29/2008 2:45:42 PM

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"Not retarded. I quoted a Hillary supporter switching over on page 1."

one single switcher

wow

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"but you know damn well there are morons out there that are going to do it"

oh sure

but they're insinuating that most Hillary supporters would be in that category, which I disagree with

there are quite a few more reasons why Hillary supporters wouldn't switch into the party (abortion stance, experience, etc)

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 2:49:31 PM

I personally don't see Palin helping McCain out too much.

My prediction is McCain'll get a slight bump because of the new positive press coverage, but he'll fall back down to where he's been.

Palin showing up next to McCAin is going to further emphasize how decrepit he is (which hasn't been working for him at all), and she seems to have more "marketable" liabilities than Biden.

And I don't know if this has been noted, but Obama so far has been doing very well among women, compared to McCain. Considering the Hillary ship has sailed and the women have been through having their candidate, I don't see them jumping ship just because of Palin. Partially because they are not just voting because of sex, and partially because women will hear about her beauty pageant past an automatically be defensive about it.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 2:54 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2008 2:49:53 PM

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"My prediction is McCain'll get a slight bump because of the new positive press coverage, but he'll fall back down to where he's been."

Essentially tied, and in some polls, leading?

I'm okay with that, considering Biden didn't provide any bump of note

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 2:53 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 2:53:14 PM

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"Palin showing up next to McCAin is going to further emphasize how decrepit he is"

Biden showing up next to Obama is going to further emphasize how young and inexperienced he is

political arguments are easy to make

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 2:54 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 2:54:03 PM

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"I'm okay with that, considering Biden didn't provide any bump of note"

This is not true. Obama has been gaining recently, and had a slight acceleration post Biden.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

In 2 days since Biden, Obama doubled his lead from 2 points to 4 points.

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""Palin showing up next to McCAin is going to further emphasize how decrepit he is" Biden showing up next to Obama is going to further emphasize how young and inexperienced he is political arguments are easy to make"

You can't see experience, and Biden and Obama look fairly close in age. Palin and McCain don't by any stretch.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 3:03 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2008 3:01:35 PM

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"Biden and Obama look fairly close in age"

HAHAHAHAHA

8/29/2008 3:05:43 PM

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""but it's fucking retarded to think they'll win Hillary supporters over with such an inexperienced choice"""

it's not retarded to think that Hillary supporter wouldn't go to McCain because Palin is inexperienced.

It is retarded because Pailin is nothing like Hillary Clinton!!
Any Clinton support who switches to McCain just because Palin is a woman is a fucking idiot. They want a woman so bad that they will switch from a liberal, some may call socialist, pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-environment woman to a hardcore conservative, pro-life, pro-ANWAR drilling, NRA member, Creationist? That is just plain ignorance.

But as TDS has shown us, i guess this is about what we should expect from pissed off Hillary whiners
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=179256&title=Healing-Clinton-Supporters

8/29/2008 3:05:44 PM

Dems retort to the appointment. Say what you will but this idea will resonate:

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" On his 72nd birthday, Senator McCain has chosen a VP based on her political currency rather than her ability to lead our country in a crisis. If John McCain wins in November, he'll be the oldest president in U.S. history, and Sarah Palin would be a heartbeat away from being our commander in chief. It's not only fair, but critical in this case, to ask if she's up for the job of commander in chief. We just can't afford a gamble like this with our future. "

8/29/2008 3:10:42 PM

It'll be interesting to see how Palin's image holds to being vetted nationally in the media with the concerns they are raising as well as the talk of whatever local controversy thing she was involved with that they keep talking about.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26456114/

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"The differences between the presidential candidate and his running mate are so stark that it’s hard to assess which one is boldest: age (she’s nearly 30 years younger than McCain); sex (she’s the first woman ever to be on a Republican ticket); political experience (she’s been a governor for less than two years; he’s served in Congress for 25 years); or geographical remoteness (no Alaskan has ever appeared on a national ticket)."

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"Democratic consultant Chris Kofinis called the Palin pick "a bold and historic move for the Republican Party that clearly targets women and conservative voters, but does little to change the fact that McCain's Bush-like policies would be disastrous for all Americans — especially women." And Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton warned that McCain had "put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency." "

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"But the extreme age contrast will remind voters of just how old McCain is. The Arizona senator celebrates his 72nd birthday today. When Palin was born on Feb. 11, 1964, McCain was already well launched on his career as Navy aviator. When he was elected to the House of Representatives in 1982, she was still a teenager. “This would be a pretty shrewd pick, but one not without risk,” said Republican consultant Jason Roe, a few hours before McCain revealed his choice. "

I think a lot of wind will be let out of their sails when Obama announces some high level administration position for Clinton.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 3:14 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 3:11:05 PM

Are you kidding me? No it won't. Voters rarely care about appointed positions. (pre-election). Obama could say Hil will be the white house mascot, and it wont be anywhere the same as having a woman in the number 2 spot.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 3:23 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 3:22:24 PM

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"political experience (she’s been a governor for less than two years"

The political experience issue isn't one they're going to be able to make much hay out of. Obama has only run in one particularly contested election in his entire life, the primary against HRC, and won largely because of the ineptness of her campaign. Palin has had nothing but difficult elections, taking on the Alaska Republican machine from the inside. She also has a solid record of integrity while Obama passively played along with the Chicago Democratic machine.

She's a politician, I'm rarely a fan of them, I'm sure she has more than her fair share of skeletons in her closet, she has her weaknesses to be sure, and in a year where the electorate is not a fan of anything Bush related, she may indeed present some unappealing policies. But I believe that her strengths definitely play to Obama's weaknesses and are not going to be significantly overshadowed by Biden's. She might have been the best pick after all.

Also, the age thing, McCain is old but he's fiesty as hell. He was a goddamned fighter pilot, if you've ever met one they're cocky as fuck and chock-damn full of energy. The only reason the age issue has been effective so far is that the HRC v BHO fight and then the Democratic Convention has largely kept him out of the spotlight.

Quite frankly, if he can keep his temper in check and watch his words a bit, I don't think he'll have trouble with Obama in the debates. Obama can come across as eloquent and powerful in a speech. In a debate he comes across as somewhat boring and lackluster.

8/29/2008 3:24:55 PM

Its going to be interesting what they say about 'her' experience. A governor is definitely a better position than senator. You certainly have more power. I think the best way to play it is saying that McCain has someone for VP that has more executive experience in a high level position than the opposing party's Presidential nominee. Obama=legislator Palin=Executive

In any event, I personally think that the VP position rarely resonates or has much effect on the bulk of voters. If it was hugely important, there would be more than 1 VP debate. The media always talks it up, but when it comes to Biden or Palin, I think the only party that will slightly benefit from the VP pick will be McCain because of the possibility of snagging a few female voters. Biden's foreign policy experience isnt likely make someone say "Wow, even though Obama has shit for FP experience, with Biden on board, thats going to put me over the top and vote for the guy". I just dont see it.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 3:35:41 PM

So it's official-- social conservatives can only be taken nearly completely for granted.

Good to know.


And seriously-- the only issue McCain was strong on was experience. This choice nullifies that argument. I love this choice.

8/29/2008 3:46:52 PM

Governor typically provides great experience for a President, as they are chief executive of a usually large government. Both Obama and McCain's chief executive experience has been in running the present campaign. However, she has only been governor for less than two years, and of a very small population in a state that doesn't exactly deal with the same issues as the rest of the country.

People were legitimately critical of Tim Kaine's resume, and he was mayor of Richmond (a bit larger than 8,000 people) before serving longer as governor of Virginia than Palin has in Alaska. Think about that.

8/29/2008 3:47:38 PM

^^i still fail to see how this nullifies the experience argument...how does she change the fact that McCain has a ton more experience than Obama since those are the two candidates running for President? If the presidential candidates were Biden and Palin, I'd agree with you 100%, but not for VPs

Did you vote for Bush in 04 since Cheney has a lot more experience than John Edwards?

8/29/2008 3:49:50 PM

"Obama could say Hil will be the white house mascot, and it wont be anywhere the same as having a woman in the number 2 spot."

What if he says he'll put her in the courts. He could then argue that McCain's VP may be eye candy for women, but Hillary would be in a prominent position where should could uphold women's rights and the values they believe in?

8/29/2008 3:53:03 PM

where the HELL do people get the idea that ALL women are PRO-CHOICE. quite frankly I know a LOT of women that would vote for a woman who's pro-life. i'm sick of people blending pro-choice with "women's rights"

I'm pro-choice if it means, people choose to be responsible for your actions, the actions that result in pregnancies to begin with. Instead pro-choice (aka women's rights) is about choosing NOT take responsibility for your actions, whether you believe a fetus is a life or not.

You won't successfully reduce the amount of "unwanted pregnancies" Mr. Obama if you continue to offer an easy way out for women to not take responsibility of getting pregnant in the first place. And don't give me that rape/incest sad story, that is currently only 1% of abortions.

Let's end the "fix" and start addressing the "problem".

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 3:55 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 3:53:11 PM

If McCain is ready on day one, what happens if he passes away on day two?

8/29/2008 3:55:02 PM

what happens if Biden dies of old age before the election?

8/29/2008 3:56:24 PM

Palin takes up office, so what. She is a governor for a reason.

This age/experience issue is really just an old tactic that the republicans used earlier in the campaign.... it's old news that most people see right through.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 3:57 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 3:56:32 PM

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"If McCain is ready on day one, what happens if he passes away on day two?"

The reality of this is that American voters rarely give a damn about the VP spot.

Cheney? Yeah right.
Al Gore? Hmmm. Well, apparently they didnt like him too much.
Dan Quail? Please!

If any of those guys had tried to run for President, without being prop'd up first by VP experience, they wouldnt have been nominated. Thats why they were VP choices.

George Bush Sr. was the last elected VP that was worth a damn. Now that was a real VP pick.


[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 3:57:37 PM

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"This age/experience issue is really just an old tactic that the republicans used earlier in the campaign...."

you mean like during the primaries when Hillary said that she and McCain had enough experience but Obama didn't? oh wait Hillary is a Democrat, you must be talking about something else

8/29/2008 3:59:00 PM

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"where the HELL do people get the idea that ALL women are PRO-CHOICE. quite frankly I know a LOT of women that would vote for a woman who's pro-life. i'm sick of people blending pro-choice with "women's rights" I'm pro-choice if it means, people choose to be responsible for your actions, the actions that result in pregnancies to begin with. Instead pro-choice (aka women's rights) is about choosing NOT take responsibility for your actions, whether you believe a fetus is a life or not."

Women's rights are naturally tied to a woman's ability to control her reproductive life. Of course that doesn't mean that all women are pro-choice, but there's an obvious link between women's rights and if they have a say in what happens to their own bodies. I'm pro-choice, though I'd have a hard time deciding if I ever got pregnant. It's dismissive to say that every woman who supports the right to choose also supports being irresponsible and flippant about those reproductive choices. I agree with you in that respect, and I don't think abortion should be used that way, but it'd be much more damaging to women to remove any choice in the matter.

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"You won't successfully reduce the amount of "unwanted pregnancies" Mr. Obama if you continue to offer an easy way out for women to not take responsibility of getting pregnant in the first place. And don't give me that rape/incest sad story, that is currently only 1% of abortions. Let's end the "fix" and start addressing the "problem"."

But the clear difference here is sex ed: McCain supports abstinence-only education (which is basically no education at all). Obama is for education, which address the "problem" a lot better than denying that there is one. Education and prevention are much more likely to affect the number of unwanted pregnancies. I don't really think there are too many women out there who plan to have lots of unprotected sex because "hey, I can just get an abortion." It's a lot more expensive than a box of condoms.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 4:18:14 PM

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"Al Gore? Hmmm. Well, apparently they didnt like him too much."

well he did get more votes than bush

8/29/2008 4:26:41 PM

maybe we will actually get started with drilling ANWAR if McCain-Palin win

8/29/2008 4:29:11 PM

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"well he did get more votes than bush"

I believe I qualified that remark by saying Al Gore wouldnt have even had a chance to defeat bush had he not been treading on Clintons coat tales. And since Clinton was 'such a good president' (snicker) it should have been a cake walk.

8/29/2008 4:31:24 PM

8/29/2008 4:45:12 PM

^hahaha that shit is funny

"Everyone who can should take a bucket of sea water and pour it down the sink"

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM. Reason : lmao]

8/29/2008 4:47:53 PM

Palin: I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq.

8/29/2008 5:12:58 PM

its not really her job, or any governor's job, is it?

8/29/2008 5:21:27 PM

no, not really.

but she better learn about foreign policy quick because in a a McCain presidency we'll be fighting everyone and their brother..

8/29/2008 5:26:54 PM

http://www.vpilf.com/

This site is genius but the content bites. needs more pics

8/29/2008 5:28:29 PM

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"she better learn about foreign policy quick"

so should barack amirite lol

8/29/2008 5:30:01 PM

Doesn't this Palin pick inoculate Obama from all of McCain's attacks on his experience, which is the attack that has closed the gap for McCain?

8/29/2008 6:18:32 PM

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"Doesn't this Palin pick inoculate Obama from all of McCain's attacks on his experience, which is the attack that has closed the gap for McCain?"

It does remove a lot of credibility from the "experience" argument, but from everything I've seen, he's been fading away from that lately and has been more successful in attacking Obama's elitism/presumptuousness/celebrity status. And the Repub campaign can still pursue that line of argument.

8/29/2008 6:22:13 PM

you can tell which democrats are the dumb ones in this thread....because they think palin makes obama a shoe in


^^^^^^^dude...her son is going to be deployed there......

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 6:40 PM. Reason : omg i cant imagine what page 2 and 3 have cause this page is full of "duh" and "dur"]

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"She is a creationist! Anti-science and science in classrooms. A vocal one at that."

lol oh lord...(no pun intended)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veepstakes_analysis;_ylt=Aji1EJqKjokMpOI0ASWE8B.yFz4D

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"Palin is 44, Obama 47. She served in her statehouse 20 months. Obama served in his statehouse for eight years."

love this line

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"this is a desperation pick"

true...but its a good desperation pick

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 6:53 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 6:36:04 PM

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"Doesn't this Palin pick inoculate Obama from all of McCain's attacks on his experience"

If Obama was running against Palin you might have a point

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"Obama served in his statehouse for eight years."

haha he sure did a lot in his statehouse over the last 2 years while he was on the campaign trail

8/29/2008 6:51:25 PM

btw...saw a family pic of on cnn earlier today...one of her daughters got some nice tits....i so want to fuck her(palin)...i'd fuck her daughter as well.....

8/29/2008 7:01:31 PM

Is Palin really anti-evolution?

That's crazy.

8/29/2008 7:12:46 PM

because when god made her fine ass he broke the mold

8/29/2008 7:14:49 PM

my internet sucks and this is a HUGE pic

http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/PalinFamily_Outside_v01.jpg

titties

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 7:16 PM. Reason : ^^true]

8/29/2008 7:15:55 PM

There's so much negative press about Palin now, i'm worried there'll be a "backdraft" effect of it ending up helping mccain permanently.

It's almost comical how people are responding to the pick though.

^ I think their server is being raped because that's loading REALLY slowly..

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 7:22 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2008 7:21:32 PM

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"There's so much negative press about Palin now"

a lot of people seem to like her as well...most of the negative press tends to be coming from (SURPRISE!) Obama supporters

8/29/2008 7:24:18 PM

i definitely think the positive press outweighs the negative press...shes a freaking hot ass woman and shes on the republican ticket...thats automatic good press imo

8/29/2008 7:26:40 PM

^^ Umm... I made that statement after reading some comments from specifically right-leaning sources. They aren't so much against Palin, as much as they are confused why she was chosen over who they feel are more beneficial candidates.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 7:27 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2008 7:27:15 PM

i'm curious what sources, because i've seen plenty of good and bad, and you're making it seem like its mostly bad, or at least mostly not-100%-positive (ie confused like you mentioned)

8/29/2008 7:30:03 PM

I don't think i was making it seem "mostly bad" but there is an unusual amount of "wtf?" comments in the media about it vs. Biden it was we hate him/we like him.

8/29/2008 7:32:01 PM

idk what you are reading but the majority of the stuff i've read has been positive...for about 10 seconds i thought this was a bad pick, then came to my senses

8/29/2008 7:33:32 PM

i definitely agree that it was a more surprising pick than biden, but when people have looked at her policies, record, experience, etc, it seems like the average 50/50...the left half of the country questions it, the right half likes it...kinda like how im sure the right half questioned biden and the left half liked it...no big shockers that i've noticed

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 7:34 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 7:33:41 PM