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10/17/2008 12:21:36 PM

I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU GUYS ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE, BUT YOU CAN'T REACH IT SON.

10/17/2008 12:25:42 PM

LOL WAT

10/17/2008 12:26:34 PM

haha, that's probably the most clever thing I've ever seen SaabTurbo post.

10/17/2008 12:27:27 PM

wow gunzz, thanks for taking the time to stalk my facebook account and find pictures that make you all giddy inside. Keep rethinking your life's worth as you moderate tww in the twilight of your prime, wondering if your mom really should have had that abortion.

10/17/2008 12:32:55 PM

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"mccain turned down being part of a prisoner exchange early in his stay because he would not leave his comrades behind. he was physically impaired for life because of his service to our country. no matter what your politics, you have to respect that as an American...Obama does and has commented on it. you have to respect it, unless, you are in fact an ungrateful douche."

Let's be honest here, McCain refused to leave because he knew his developing career in the military (and beyond) would be completely fucked if he did that. Completely. He would have had to go on TV and say that his captors had treated him kindly (lying) and so on and so forth, breaking the POW Code of Conduct. He had already fudged on a lot of information (like they all did) but he knew that crossing this line meant his military career was done. He did what he has always done and what he continues to this day to do, serve his own interests.

10/17/2008 12:41:59 PM

^ you cant be serious...

10/17/2008 12:50:29 PM

I should add that one shouldn't choke on the conservative cock either.

10/17/2008 12:51:02 PM

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"^ you cant be serious..."

You do realize the "John McCain war hero" narrative was written by.....John McCain?

10/17/2008 12:54:34 PM

^^How about, sweepingly, "Don't choke on cock"

10/17/2008 12:55:26 PM

haha, i touched on a few of TaterSalads nerves

all you got is momma jokes. pfft

10/17/2008 12:56:03 PM

heh

10/17/2008 1:03:44 PM

they call me tater salad

10/17/2008 1:05:33 PM

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"Let's be honest here, McCain refused to leave because he knew his developing career in the military (and beyond) would be completely fucked if he did that. Completely. He would have had to go on TV and say that his captors had treated him kindly (lying) and so on and so forth, breaking the POW Code of Conduct. He had already fudged on a lot of information (like they all did) but he knew that crossing this line meant his military career was done. He did what he has always done and what he continues to this day to do, serve his own interests."

thats some nutty shit there.

10/17/2008 1:17:25 PM

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"How about, sweepingly, "Don't choke on cock""

GG.

10/17/2008 1:20:02 PM

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"thats some nutty shit there."

So nutty in fact, that all it took for you was a line or two of rational commentary to dismiss my entire claim. Oh wait, the lulz on you. There are so many stories out in the intarwebs giving many varying accounts about what really happened at the Hilton, that you should at least be a little bit suspect of the story that McCain has told, the story that the MSM has latched on to and not once questioned because they are spineless.

You could do that, research a little bit yourself, but you're just a partisan hack like the rest of us so I don't expect you'll care to try.

10/17/2008 1:49:44 PM

LOL YOGI

10/17/2008 1:57:14 PM

^^ Are you reading jane fonda's blog or what? You're telling me a man would rather stay behind and suffer the conditions of the pow camps in north vietnam than go back home to his family, simply because it would be a bad career move? I'm not sure that even the most selfish person i know of would be willing to pull something like that. That's why it is just nutty

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 2:01 PM. Reason : ]

10/17/2008 2:00:56 PM

LOL


whats nutty is that you actually believe any sane human being would choose to be tortured for years in a VC prison for ANY REASON.

brainiacs like yourself are going to kill the value of my degree.

10/17/2008 2:20:56 PM

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"IF CONGRESS HAD THE FUCKING BALLS TO ACTUALLY STAND UP TO THE PRESIDENT, AND VICE VERSA, HALF THE PROBLEMS IN TODAY'S SOCIETY WOULD BE A MOOT POINT."

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"wow a Senator who wants to work with a President in office? whodathunk it?"

does not compute

10/17/2008 2:54:19 PM

DC is the city of contradictions, Britta.

10/17/2008 3:00:49 PM

I'm not about to do you the favor and copy and paste in all the circumstantial evidence and counterstories to the McCain narrative he painted for HIMSELF. You're not going to do it yourself either, its more fun (or ego self preserving) for you to believe that you are right, and reject anything that questions your belief. There is enough information out there to question the status quo. You can be ignorant or not.

You do pose a good question. The bottom line regarding his release was such that by POW protocol he wasn't the one there the longest and would be violating the protocol (and voiding his burgeoning career) if he volunteered to leave. If he was in fact being tortured to inches of his life (and other POWs were killed from their torture injuries) then he most certainly is a hero of epic proportions. The man somehow has no PTSD from such an brutal period in his life, well except for a little bit of a temper. Truly, a guy that survived all that is a man of honor and to be believed on his word to no end (just ask the Keating 5!)

Here, lets look at a couple of other details about the story. Up fron, we don't know the extent that his injuries were sustained from the crash or from beatings. John McCain is the only one that has told the world these details (aside from the propaganda machine Vietnam captors who said they didn't torture anyone). We do know that he willfully told his captors his father was in charge of the entire Vietnam theater so he could receive treatment. What valor! The VC having their "crown prince" now, most certainly wouldn't have beaten him anywhere near death. He was a great bargaining chip. Secondly, the offer to go early or stay in the Hilton was extended to many of the POWs if they agreed to lie about the US war effort and about how their captors treated them. Many of them refused the offer as well, there was nothing herculean about McCains choice. Something else I find rather curious about the entire situation is why there was no escape attempt by McCain. Other POWs certainly tried, here is a guy that has McCains cake when it comes to being a real hero

http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/d/d059.htm

...that's two escape attempts, and if I am not mistaken, he is more decorated than McCain is.

So, you can choose to believe a mostly unverified story fed to you by a man that changes his position with the wind, womanized and most likely cheated on his first wife, and has been shown to be a corrupt politician, or you can choose to think that there is at least the possibility he just might be out to continue furthering his own self interests yet again. After all, he is a politician.

10/17/2008 3:08:40 PM

^^ the chocolate city - with a marshmallow center

10/17/2008 3:09:30 PM

Obama, too, is a politican.

10/17/2008 3:10:10 PM

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"Obama, too, is a politican."

Where did I say anything in any post about Obama? You have no capability to digest the information you just read, you have no interest in vetting anything I just stated, the best you could come up with is "HE DID IT TOO"!? You should be ashamed.

10/17/2008 3:14:05 PM

I actually didn't say anything like that.

I said he's a politician too.

10/17/2008 3:16:05 PM

Yes robert, we heard you when you didn't say anything the first time. We hear you ever time you've never said anything of interest or merit or remotely remarkable on this website.

10/17/2008 3:21:24 PM

10/17/2008 3:30:13 PM

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"holy shit, so does Duke. and yes, I still am in college until December. i don't claim to be a bad ass about it, i'm just stating it's part of my job description."

Big difference. I've known Duke for a long time and he'd NEVER back up a political claim or opinion he made by saying shit like this:

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"Look here, asshole, I have a far greater respect for the Constitution than you can imagine. I am sworn to protect it, so don't try that ignorant lock-step bullshit on me."

10/17/2008 3:32:50 PM

Duke and I are two different people. Your point?

10/17/2008 3:33:48 PM

You do see that saying things like that makes you seem like you have an air of superiority that is really unfounded and actually belies whatever point you are trying to make, no?

And I know this is Chit Chat, but you obviously have some pretty strong beliefs. What about people who make educated choices based on all the facts and simply don't think the leadership in this country has been up to par the last 8 years and want to change directions? Are they choking on liberal cock, even though a good deal of them pretty much aren't liberal at all?

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 3:36 PM. Reason : x]

10/17/2008 3:35:31 PM

Who's saying I'm talking to the people who aren't liberal? Who says I'm talking to the people who actually educate themselves politically?

And I'm coming off as superior by pointing off me and Duke are two kinds of people?

10/17/2008 3:42:02 PM

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"TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE"

10/17/2008 3:43:17 PM

Look, man. You got called an idiot by someone, which was obviously your goal by starting an inflammatory thread like this. Then instead of responding to it by stating/backing up whatever opinion you have you pulled the "I'm in the military and have more respect for this country than you could ever imagine" bullshit...

If you can't see that that is high and mighty bullshit, I can't help you.

10/17/2008 3:45:48 PM

let me break down your argument:

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"Up front, we don't know the extent that his injuries were sustained from the crash or from beatings"

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"you can choose to believe a mostly unverified story "

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"most likely "

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"might be out to continue "

etc, etc....

lots of ambiguity in your 'argument.'



I find it laughable that you speculate as if you have any idea at the types of things that went on inside that hell-hole and I find it ridiculous that you have the balls to say what he 'should have' or should not have done in his situation. its even funnier that you talk to his medical condition resulting from that experience, when there is no way in hell you have any idea what you are talking about. you are even douchier than I previously expected. you should be kissing his and every other honorable veteran of a foreign war's hairy bean bag for their service. instead you just spit out the daily kos talking points and expect people to be impressed.

you know nothing of what you speak of and you are embarrassing yourself. my whole point in this stupid thread is simply that if you put two people up for election with equal qualifications except one has military service in their background, I am voting for that person regardless of party affiliation.

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 3:48 PM. Reason : .]

10/17/2008 3:47:01 PM

dabirds the word

I'm walls1441 and i approved this message.

10/17/2008 3:48:05 PM

10/17/2008 8:14:50 PM

http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3

10/17/2008 8:19:12 PM

^^

HAHAHHA

10/17/2008 8:21:25 PM

military service doesn't automatically make you smart. also, he crashed because he was a bad pilot. probably because in the Naval Academy....

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"McCain came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel, he did not always obey the rules, and that contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899), despite a high IQ. He did well in academic subjects that interested him, such as literature and history, but studied only enough to pass subjects he struggled with, such as mathematics."

10/17/2008 8:31:41 PM

touche.

10/17/2008 11:34:51 PM

mathematics probably wouldve stopped the bad guys from shooting him down.

10/17/2008 11:41:39 PM

well, having a good base in it would be a necessity for flight school.

in ROTC, we have to take at least through Calc III with a B or better, no matter what our major is.

10/17/2008 11:43:09 PM

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"Let's be honest here, McCain refused to leave because he knew his developing career in the military (and beyond) would be completely fucked if he did that."

you sir are a world class idiot

10/18/2008 12:13:37 AM

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"well, having a good base in it would be a necessity for flight school. in ROTC, we have to take at least through Calc III with a B or better, no matter what our major is."

i know...i was just being a smartass

10/18/2008 12:20:44 AM

i know, just clarifying for those who don't know what's expected to get commissioned.

the Academies are among the best schools in the nation, always have been.

10/18/2008 3:14:17 AM

Oh, wow, YogiNCSU is batfuck insane... he might as well be shouting about other such popular conspiracies as the staged moon landing and jews doing 9/11...

10/18/2008 4:15:30 AM

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"also, he crashed because he was a bad pilot."

he didn't crash. he got shot down.

the reason he got shot down is because he was on a bombing run when his radar warning receiver (RWR, or "raw gear") went off because he was being targeted, but he delayed taking evasive action to break lock/defeat the missile until it was too late, in an effort to get his bombs on target.

10/18/2008 6:47:32 AM

^that'd be ignoring the fact that he only got shot down once. the other FOUR times were accidents.

10/18/2008 9:43:49 AM

the mishap rate in those days was not what it is now. the technology wasn't as good, the training wasn't as good at preventing mishaps, and the entire culture, for better or for worse, wasn't as wrapped up in safety.

also, one of those was while he was sitting on deck on the Forrestal. His airplane was struck by a Zuni rocket that another aircraft accidentally (don't know how, exactly) launched.

[Edited on October 18, 2008 at 10:00 AM. Reason : maybe he was a contributing factor...i don't know. he was a pretty aggressive, risk-taking fucker.]

10/18/2008 9:55:08 AM