i'm not reading all this shit. what did it say exactly?

I'm walls1441 and i approved this message.

11/6/2008 6:46:51 PM

it says four rednecks are gonna be painting some curbs

11/6/2008 7:29:55 PM

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"The federal agency was involved because of the threatening nature of the graffiti, which said "Shoot Obama" and "Kill that n-----.""

That's probably the main reason they were arrested.

11/6/2008 8:09:39 PM

^ Yeah, exactly.

I was under the impression it was only stuff like "black house" which would be fine, to me. Sounds like something Chris Rock would come up with.

11/6/2008 8:25:26 PM

FREE EXPRESSION WALL = SERIOUS BUSINESS

11/6/2008 8:34:16 PM

Would the reaction be the same if someone wrote "Fuck that cracker McCain" and similar things?

11/6/2008 8:35:57 PM

I wrote

"Fuck that cracker McCain" on the wall when those Nazi's got arrested and the cops were cool w/ it.

11/6/2008 8:38:34 PM

I hope these fuckers get expelled. The Texas football player did the same thing on facebook and he got kicked off the team.

11/6/2008 8:39:25 PM

There's hateful speech written on it again already

11/7/2008 12:37:36 AM

expressive speech you mean. why you gotta hate on expression?


also this shit was on the news here in SC ANYWAY ok

11/7/2008 12:44:23 AM

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"The Free Expression Tunnel is under 24-hour camera surveillance"

from where?

[Edited on November 7, 2008 at 3:35 AM. Reason : ]

11/7/2008 3:35:37 AM

racist fucks

11/7/2008 3:36:31 AM

lol

"The Free Expression Tunnel is under 24-hour camera surveillance"

now who are you faggots going to blame, the guys expressing themselves, or the faggots who are so scared they might hurt someone's feelings that they put that bullshit up

11/7/2008 3:45:06 AM

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""The federal agency was involved because of the threatening nature of the graffiti, which said "Shoot Obama" and "Kill that n-----."""

I honestly can't understand the people advocating for the assassination of a president. You have to be a pretty big asshole to honestly wish murder upon anyone.

11/7/2008 3:52:29 AM

i would actually be ok with them outlawing being an asshole. i've got a few motherfuckers id snitch on right now

11/7/2008 3:57:05 AM

way to make Fark

you people

11/7/2008 4:28:38 AM

gg nc state

always doing some racist shit

i can't imagine why everyone thinks we're all a bunch of racist pig fucking rednecks

11/7/2008 9:14:05 AM

even the mexicam thinks this is bad for nc state

11/7/2008 9:24:32 AM

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"it's time like this I am not proud of having gone to NCSU "

11/7/2008 11:24:47 AM

i love how our local newspaper never fails to shit on the University every chance it gets. I'd be willing to bet similar things were painted at UNC, but that shit just doesn't get reported

11/7/2008 8:52:39 PM

^ They also called it the Freedom Expression Tunnel

11/7/2008 9:10:33 PM

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"There's hateful speech written on it again already "

what's it say?

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"Would the reaction be the same if someone wrote "Fuck that cracker McCain" and similar things? "

What a dumb question. I'm pretty sure the main problem was calling for the killing of Obama, which is a crime.

I vaguely recall a TWWer a while back getting a visit from the SS from saying the same thing about Bush.

11/7/2008 9:20:11 PM

^ Yeah, I remember reading about that in the Technician when it happened. The SS will be busy if they visit all the people who have been writing that shit on their Facebooks

11/7/2008 9:42:00 PM

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"Students could face discipline for graffiti By Jay Price, Staff Writer Comment on this story RALEIGH - Four N.C. State University students who painted threatening, racist graffiti about President-elect Obama are facing possible discipline, NCSU Chancellor James L. Oblinger said today. NCSU officials have not named the students, citing privacy concerns. However, Oblinger said that the four are being investigated for breaking university rules. The students confessed last week that they had painted the graffiti in the Free Expression Tunnel on the NCSU campus. The U.S. Secret Service concluded there was no actual threat to Obama. After campus police consulted with the Secret Service and the Wake District Attorney's Office, university officials said the four wouldn't be charged with any state or federal crime. They said the graffiti apparently wasn't a hate crime under state law because it was in an area where graffiti is encouraged. They declined at the time, however, to say whether the students could face university discipline, for which expulsion is the most severe penalty. About 500 people attended a rally Thursday at the NCSU Brickyard organized by the student government to demonstrate opposition to the graffiti. The graffiti appeared early Wednesday as modifications to positive messages about Obama that someone else had painted in the tunnel. "

haha, way to go dipshits.

no state or federal charges though

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/higher_education/story/1290494.html





[Edited on November 11, 2008 at 10:39 PM. Reason : /]

11/11/2008 10:38:34 PM

so legally, it's not hate speech.

so how is this not a violation of freedom of speech?

11/11/2008 10:40:52 PM

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"The university was freely expressing its desire to not look like we're all a bunch of racist assholes who look for any reason to get away with hate speech. racial ignorance "

[Edited on November 11, 2008 at 10:44 PM. Reason : /]

11/11/2008 10:43:21 PM

11/11/2008 10:46:00 PM

if the legal system says nothing is wrong can NCSU still do anything of consequence - it would seem if they expel them NCSU will just in turn get sued

11/11/2008 10:47:46 PM

i swear it wasnt me this time

11/11/2008 10:48:37 PM

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"Oblinger said that the four are being investigated for breaking university rules."

would be interesting to know which rules

[Edited on November 11, 2008 at 10:49 PM. Reason : /]

11/11/2008 10:48:43 PM

now the good ol NAACP wants to get involved

11/11/2008 10:48:53 PM

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ashamed to be white

what the fuck is that shit

and really, it is ok to tell the NAACP to fuck off

11/11/2008 10:50:05 PM

we were in a bar the other night (neighborhood, mostly white folks) and in came a group of blacks wearin obama tshirts. no problem at all. my drunk friend said whats up to them since we were standing near the door and the women took it offensive for some reason. she questioned why he said "whats up" and took her chewing gum out and stuck it on one of the tables, said "fuck this place", and they all walked out.

are you shitting me? i almost lost it but bit my tounge.

11/11/2008 10:55:31 PM

what does that have to do with this thread, exactly?

11/11/2008 10:58:01 PM

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"how is this not a violation of freedom of speech?"

They broke the rules.

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"would be interesting to know which rules"

They're probably pulling from 14.1.10 Racial Harassment and 14.1.12 Infliction or Threat of Bodily Harm.

http://www.ncsu.edu/policies/student_services/student_discipline/POL11.35.1.php

11/11/2008 11:01:26 PM

^^^^

No, I think the wall is saying it is ashamed of being white. It wants to be all colorful again.

11/11/2008 11:05:05 PM

^ I could buy that.

11/12/2008 12:15:01 AM

awww lookit the college kids thinking they haven't willingly signed away some of their constitutional protections to be part of the university community

its sweet, really

11/12/2008 12:44:31 AM

http://students.ncsu.edu/senate/bills.php?legid=1139

Senate Resolution 25

A RESOLUTION TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT TO ADDRESS THE INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED IN THE FREE EXPRESSION TUNNEL ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH, 2008



Short Title: Free Expression Tunnel Hate Crime Act (Public)
Sponsors: Senator ADONIS
Signatories:
Referred to:
Version: (insert either committee version, as amended by Senate, etc.)
First Reading: 11-12-2008 Second Reading:



WHEREAS, on Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 four students spray painted heinous remarks in regards to President-Elect Barack Obama on the Free Expression Tunnel.

WHEREAS, the remarks “Let’s shoot that nigger in the head” went beyond the constitutional right of freedom of speech and became hate speech, defined by the United States Government as discriminatory harassment including conduct (oral, written, graphic or physical) directed against any person or, group of persons because of their race, color, national origin, religion, sex, sexual orientation, age, disability, or veteran’s status and that has the purpose or reasonable foreseeable effect of creating an offensive, demeaning, intimidating, or hostile environment for that person or group of persons

WHEREAS, in addition to the racist remarks, references to the Ku Klux Klan were also portrayed and Campus Police had to paint the tunnel white to cover the messages.

WHEREAS, the Chancellor agreed that the act was well over free expression, stating, “There was no question in my mind as chancellor of the University or as an individual that what was written there was well beyond what is free speech”

WHEREAS, although North Carolina State University has no specific hate crime policy:

Ten inch noose found in the Motor Pool Office restroom at the Sullivan Shops on Thursday, November 8th, 2007
Sign was found on Thursday, November 14th, 2007 on the door of an Avent Ferry Complex Apartment stating “No Blacks allowed White Room Only, Blacks next door,” and many other unreported incidents
Resolution 62 an act to formally condemn the act of hatred on this campus last week and to call for a stronger message dated, November 14th, 2007 was passed by a 48-0 roll call vote
Resolution 67 an act to formally call upon Chancellor Oblinger to appoint a committee to formulate a campus wide hate crime policy, dated November 28th, 2007

WHEREAS, according to REG 04.25.1, section 1.2 issued by the chancellor on August 30, 1999, last revised on June 21, 2005 it is reiterated that discrimination based upon race, color, religion, creed, sex, national origin, age, disability, veteran status, or sexual orientation is in violation of federal and state law and North Carolina State University policy and will not be tolerated.

WHEREAS, on May 3, 2007, the US House of Representatives, by a strong bipartisan margin of 237 yeas to 180 nays, passed H.R. 1592, the “Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act.”

WHEREAS, H.R. 1592, as introduced, sets out congressional findings regarding the harmfulness posed to society by hate crimes, that is, crime motivated by the victim’s actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability

WHEREAS, this bill, in short, allows the federal government to work with state and local authorities to punish hate crimes to the fullest extent possible

WHEREAS, according to the 2007 Federal Sentencing Guidelines Manual, Section 3A1.1. Hate Crime Motivation or Vulnerable Victim: if the finder of fact at trial or, in the case of plea of guilty or nolo contendere, the court at sentencing determines beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant intentionally selected any victim or any property as the object of the offense of conviction because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual orientation of any person, increase by 3 levels

WHEREAS, Part E, Section 3E1.1 Acceptance of Responsibility states that if the defendant clearly demonstrates acceptance of responsibility for his offense, decrease the offense level by 2 levels

WHEREAS, the failure for the NC STATE community to “act against the public acknowledgement of a group’s intention demonstrates our willingness to pacify a contingent that would attempt to steal away the will of an entire nation, and the fact that these threats are also blatantly racially charged should only enrage us more as the argument is only one of skin color”

WHEREAS, that since the search made by the Secret Service determined that there was no threat and that no hate-related charges were filed by officers, and that the only disciplinary actions these students will face is left up to the responsibility of the dean or director, supervisor, or Office of Student Conduct

RESOLVED, we strongly suggest that the University look to immediately expel those who promote such violent and racist actions on campus

And be it further RESOLVED, that the University look to prosecute the offending students to the fullest extent of State and Federal law.









that's being voted on tomorrow in senate

11/12/2008 12:52:49 AM

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"WHEREAS"

11/12/2008 12:55:58 AM

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"RESOLVED, we strongly suggest that the University look to immediately expel those who promote such violent and racist actions on campus"

well... bye!

11/12/2008 1:05:14 AM

the students should respond by censoring the plaque at the base of the tunnel

i hear sharpies work well for redacting bronze lettering

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"I'd be willing to bet similar things were painted at UNC, but that shit just doesn't get reported"

CONSPIRACAY!1

11/12/2008 1:10:07 AM

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"Sign was found on Thursday, November 14th, 2007 on the door of an Avent Ferry Complex Apartment stating “No Blacks allowed White Room Only, Blacks next door,” and many other unreported incidents"

Didn't hear about that one

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"WHEREAS, although North Carolina State University has no specific hate crime policy:"

Wait, what?

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"Racial Harassment Policy POL 04.25.2 1. POLICY STATEMENT 1.1 Racial harassment is a form of race discrimination in violation of federal and state law and North Carolina State University policy, and it will not be tolerated. North Carolina State University will respond promptly to all complaints of racial harassment. Faculty, staff, and students should be aware that violation of this policy will lead to disciplinary action up to and including dismissal. 1.2 North Carolina State University hereby affirms its desire to maintain a work environment for all employees and an academic environment for all faculty and students that is free from all forms of harassment and discrimination. North Carolina State University wishes to maintain an environment which supports and rewards individuals on the basis of such relevant factors as academic ability and work performance. 1.3 Racial harassment is defined as conduct or action that is based on a person's race or color and creates a hostile environment that prevents effective learning or work performance. This definition is to be interpreted consistently with federal civil rights law."

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" Unlawful Harassment Policy Statement REG 04.25.04 1. Policy Statement 1.1. Harassment based upon race, color, religion, creed, sex, national origin, age, disability or veteran status is a form of discrimination in violation of federal and state law and North Carolina State University policy, and will not be tolerated. It is the internal policy of North Carolina State University to prohibit harassment on the basis of sexual orientation. Retaliation against any person complaining of harassment is in violation of federal and state law and North Carolina State University policy, and will not be tolerated. North Carolina State University will respond promptly to all complaints of harassment and retaliation. Violation of this policy can result in serious disciplinary action up to and including expulsion for students or discharge for employees. Disciplinary action for violations of this policy will be the responsibility of the dean or director, supervisor, or Office of Student Conduct as may be appropriate in accordance with applicable procedures. "

What are these then?

11/12/2008 1:11:46 AM

lol the student government actually thinks its a *real* legislative body.

11/12/2008 1:41:27 AM

it's intended for fast track, despite any flaws it may have. i imagine it'll probably be voted in tomorrow considering the recent events.

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 1:44 AM. Reason : d]

11/12/2008 1:43:46 AM

I may have to go and argue the hell out of that bill.

11/12/2008 1:47:32 AM

^all you can get is 3 minutes max at the open floor section of the meeting unless you could contact a senator and get him/her to yield his/her time in debate over it.

11/12/2008 1:56:35 AM

I am a senator.

11/12/2008 1:59:24 AM

did not know that.

11/12/2008 2:02:53 AM

^ THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A FUCKING NOOB SON.

11/12/2008 2:04:22 AM