Well deserved MVP.

11/23/2010 2:51:28 PM

^

11/23/2010 3:10:08 PM

Hell yea JOSHY



[Edited on November 23, 2010 at 7:22 PM. Reason : ;]

11/23/2010 7:21:49 PM

good going, Josh! geez, it takes forever for MLB to vote on their awards

11/23/2010 7:25:52 PM

my boy just got paidddd

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110210&content_id=16610828&vkey=news_tex&c_id=tex

2/10/2011 6:45:17 PM

that kind of money will buy a lot of coke, strippers, booze and tattoos.

2/10/2011 6:58:19 PM

you should read his book...

2/10/2011 6:59:50 PM

Your boy would have got paid more if he went to arbitration

[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 7:03 PM. Reason : Obviously not confident he can stay off the white pony for two years]

2/10/2011 7:02:51 PM

he has nothing to do with those negotiations.

he leaves that up to his agent

[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 7:09 PM. Reason : .]

2/10/2011 7:07:55 PM

Never said he did

2/10/2011 7:18:57 PM

so you are saying he gave up some money because he doesn't think he can stay clean?

or

was he trying to avoid this...
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0211-angels-jered-weaver-20110211,0,815189.story

2/10/2011 7:33:12 PM

MVPs in their prime years don't lose arbitration hearings. It's not a bad deal, just a strange one. Seems like he could have done much better.

[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 7:52 PM. Reason : he definitely left money on the table]

2/10/2011 7:49:34 PM

He is not the typical pro athlete that is only concerned about $$$.

2/10/2011 8:12:20 PM

Could you suck this guy's dick a little harder

2/10/2011 8:25:39 PM

how do you know that?

do you know him personally?

because if not, you don't know a damn thing

2/10/2011 8:25:48 PM

They're boys!!

And it's not even the money that makes it a weird deal, it's the length. How many reigning MVPs going into their age 30 season sign a two-year deal? I get that he's a special case -- I mean how many MVPs are still going to be arbitration-eligible at 31 -- but he's setting himself up for a string of short-term, below-value contracts if he doesn't continue performing at an absurdly high level.

$12 or $13m per would be fine on a four or five-year deal, just not on a two-year deal.

[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 8:30 PM. Reason : And if he doesn't care about money, why did you even start a conversation about him getting paidddd]

2/10/2011 8:30:02 PM

Come on Ernie, can't the friend/fan be gaga about the fact that his buddy/hero just pulled in massive bank and the buddy/hero actually not care as much about the bank compared to other players? I can't believe you're being this logically devoid about this.

[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 8:35 PM. Reason : .]

2/10/2011 8:35:34 PM

^^Because he is getting paid

^^^ I read his book and feel like that's enough.

[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 8:37 PM. Reason : ^]

2/10/2011 8:36:22 PM

you know the persona they want you to think you know

you know absolutely nothing about the actual person

2/10/2011 8:39:53 PM

Quote :

"Come on Ernie, can't the friend/fan be gaga about the fact that his buddy/hero just pulled in massive bank and the buddy/hero actually not care as much about the bank compared to other players? I can't believe you're being this logically devoid about this."

Logically devoid? Dude is short-sighted as fuck. $24 mil is enough to live out the remaining 50 years of your life pretty comfortably, but there's no doubt this is going to go from a strange deal to a bad deal if Hamilton is too banged up in two years to get any decent deals on the free agent market.

There's nothing wrong with cnutz being STOKED about his BOY getting paiddddd, but the failure in logic here comes from him denying this deal could have been markedly better.

--

I've read Mickey Mantle's autobiography probably six or seven times. He never mentions anything about getting loaded and beating the shit out of his wife.

[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 8:43 PM. Reason : ]

2/10/2011 8:42:43 PM

They only asked for ~13m for arbitration so it's not like he lost a lot of money. The two year contract just takes him to the end of his arbitration so I don't exactly understand how he did anything wrong.

2/10/2011 8:52:39 PM

Years, man

He lost money on the back end

I'll see you guys in 2013

2/10/2011 8:57:26 PM

He wasn't going to get a long-term deal this off-season. That was never even a possibility.

2/10/2011 9:25:10 PM

Dude has left a lot of money on the table in the past because of his prior screw-ups, but I am happy for him and glad he is doing well.

This is his unofficial previous salary history:

2007 $380,000
2008 $396,830
2009 $555,000
2010 $3,250,000

2/10/2011 10:27:27 PM

man, people have no idea how baseball works

2/10/2011 11:07:55 PM

Quote :

"He wasn't going to get a long-term deal this off-season. That was never even a possibility"

If his agent wasn't looking for more than two years, and if they really were only going to ask for $12m in arbitration, he has a shitty agent.

Quote :

"but he could have gotten so much more!!!"

Thank you for agreeing with me.

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Michael Young (age 34, career OPS+ 105) and Adrian Beltre (32, 108) are both making more than Hamilton (30, 137) over the next two years. He basically signed the same deal as Votto, but with one less year. It's a contract that makes sense for the Reds and Votto because he's just now hitting his prime and should get a huge payday when he hits free agency (unless he hires Hamilton's agent). The only winner here is the Rangers. I guess they were running low after giving such a huge deal to Beltre, who is massively over-valued.

And really, if there was no chance at a long-term deal, not going to arbitration was just retarded. He's going to win $12m no problem, probably could have got as much as $14m. Put up anything better than replacement-level numbers this year, and he's looking at $16m in arbitration next year. And that's when you have the real pressure on the team to work out a multi-year contract to save value.

Massive fail all around for Hamilton. Epic win for the Rangers. Maybe Ron Washington will share a few lines in the clubhouse to make up for it.

[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 11:41 PM. Reason : ]

2/10/2011 11:21:06 PM

Quote :

"you should read his book..."

I'm sure his book explains why he hid the fact that he relapsed (multiple times?) in 2009, while he and his entourage proclaimed he was clean and sober and had been since 2005.

2/10/2011 11:30:24 PM

you talkin about the book that was published in 2008?

[Edited on February 10, 2011 at 11:41 PM. Reason : or you just trollin?]

2/10/2011 11:41:11 PM

Quote :

"Massive fail all around for Hamilton."

Maybe he's in the few that are in it for the love of the game and want to win?

It's not all about money to everyone.

2/11/2011 12:41:35 AM

Won't be much winning going on when he's playing in Pittsburgh for 1 year/$1m

[Edited on February 11, 2011 at 12:52 AM. Reason : Again, years, not money]

2/11/2011 12:49:57 AM

fanboyism is hilarious

2/11/2011 2:35:05 AM

Quote :

"justinh524 All American 1685 Posts user info edit post Quote : "you should read his book..." I'm sure his book explains why he hid the fact that he relapsed (multiple times?) in 2009, while he and his entourage proclaimed he was clean and sober and had been since 2005. 2/10/2011 11:30:24 PM "

I guess his entourage passed all his drug tests for him as well? He did go out and get drunk one night but the his wife, the rangers, and MLB all new about it (from him) by the next day.

You should read the updated version of his book.

Quote :

" packboozie All American 13565 Posts user info edit post Quote : "Massive fail all around for Hamilton." Maybe he's in the few that are in it for the love of the game and want to win? It's not all about money to everyone. 2/11/2011 12:41:35 AM "

This is the real answer. This is not a business to him.

[Edited on February 11, 2011 at 6:40 AM. Reason : S]

2/11/2011 6:37:35 AM

there's a lot of funny stuff on this page. here's a recap:

Quote :

"He is not the typical pro athlete that is only concerned about $$$."

Quote :

"I read his book and feel like that's enough."

Quote :

"[Votto] should get a huge payday when he hits free agency (unless he hires Hamilton's agent)."

Quote :

"Maybe he's in the few that are in it for the love of the game and want to win?"

Quote :

"Won't be much winning going on when he's playing in Pittsburgh for 1 year/$1m"

Quote :

"This is not a business to him."

thanks for the lulz, intentional and otherwise.

2/11/2011 8:00:35 AM

Pretty sure if it wasn't a business for Josh then he would've taken the long-term extensions he was offered two years ago. This is obviously a business for everyone.

2/11/2011 8:15:51 AM

^^ no problem bud.

Also, the comment about knowing him Because I read his book was a joke. That's absurd.

2/11/2011 10:29:17 AM

Also,

2/11/2011 11:30:37 AM

Nolan Ryan is the man. I read his book. I know him

2/11/2011 11:51:04 AM

Quote :

"but the his wife, the rangers, and MLB all new about it (from him) by the next day. "

look everybody is human and fucks up, but not everybody goes around proclaiming they are awesome and clean and sober while covering that fuckup up from the public. If those pictures never got on the internet, he never would have said a word about it and would still be proclaiming how great he is at staying sober. I don't like liars. He is a liar.

2/11/2011 11:59:21 AM

Oh, you are saying he is a liar because he slipped up and had a few drinks one night and only told the people it really affected. Not sure I'd say he "covered it up."

[Edited on February 11, 2011 at 12:29 PM. Reason : Z]

2/11/2011 12:22:13 PM

I don't blame Josh for not saying anything publicly about it, but let's not call it a few drinks.

2/11/2011 2:03:23 PM

Oh man, this gets even better

Quote :

"Hamilton earns $7.25MM in 2011, $13.75MM in 2012 and a $3MM signing bonus, "

$10.25m this year, when he was guaranteed $12m through arbitration, $13.75m next year when (if healthy) he's again guaranteed more through arbitration.

This says exactly one thing: neither Hamilton nor the Rangers are confident in his ability to suit up for all 162 games next year or beyond. Dude is one of the top five-tool players in the game when healthy and he's making less than Milton "I hit .205" Bradley, less than Jason six-home-runs Bay, less than Carlos "my legs don't work" Beltran, less than Gary "I had one good year in 10+ seasons" Matthews, less than Alfonso way-the-hell-past-his-prime Soriano, less than Carlos "I was in AAA last year" Zambrano, less than "what's Japanese for 'bad contract'" Fukudome, less than Kyle "my arm doesn't work anymore" Lohse.

You know what pretty much all of those guys (and dozens more) have in common? At one time they were worth $12m+ and they signed deals that protected them through and after their primes.

It's cool that you think Hamilton 'doesn't care about money', and maybe he doesn't, but he already makes a lot of it. He doesn't live a $50k lifestyle, he lives a $3m lifestyle, soon to be a $12m lifestyle. And that well is going to run dry quick when he's signing shitty free agent deals in a few years.

It doesn't matter that he's simply making more next year compared to this year -- any person in any profession should be paid fair value for their service, and he's not. I don't know what you do, but I'll assume that you absolutely love it. You honestly would take a 25% cut simply because you like your job? With a pretty good chance that you'll be taking a 1200% cut in two years? It's foolish not to get the long-term deal when time is right, and it's probably even more foolish to not at least take arbitration and set your self up for a higher cash grab and an even better chance at a a long-term deal next year.

Stop slurping him for a second and look at it rationally.

2/11/2011 2:04:00 PM

^^ what should we call it?

^ they don't really live an extravagant lifestyle. he drives a chevrolet truck and his wife drives an escalade. they rent a house in texas. they own a house (that he bought with his original signing bonus) and condo here (that his wife owned before he went pro). oh wait, i just thought about something. They have a housekeeper. That may put them in to the $3m lifestyle.

I know you know a lot because you use the internet but I don't think you know all the reasons of why they made this deal. Its not because he cant stay of the "white pony."

[Edited on February 11, 2011 at 2:48 PM. Reason : forgot about the housekeeper.]

2/11/2011 2:45:51 PM

I don't care why he made the deal (I know as much about why he did it as you do: zilch. The difference being that I don't pretend like I know what he's thinking.), I just care that it's an undeniably bad idea. Hamilton, as much as anyone, should know to expect the unexpected, and should have got paid while people are willing to pay him.

I know you know a lot because you read his fluff-piece book...

2/11/2011 2:59:42 PM

everyone who has ever said the phrase "it's not about money" was lying

2/11/2011 3:12:51 PM

to be fair, once in a while it's about the pussy.

2/11/2011 3:14:08 PM

Man, even the retards in the ESPN comments agree with me

http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/6108953

2/11/2011 3:22:26 PM

^^^tell that to three players on the miami heat.

2/13/2011 9:21:32 AM

Rickie fucking Weeks just signed a $50m deal

Higher base salary than Hamilton next year

2/16/2011 10:22:54 PM

Quote :

"Is nah heab'n. Is bomm fif."

4/8/2011 11:21:32 AM

i've been trying, but i can't figure out what heab'n means.

4/8/2011 6:29:49 PM