you'd think kate wouldn't be stupid enough to do that considering it'd get her in more trouble if she got caught, especially if she planned on coming back from the island a second time. then again, it is kate we're talking about, and all she's done for 5 seasons is make poor, selfish decisions and fuck everything up for the people around her anyway. there will only be 2 ways i will be disappointed by the end of season 6:

1. if there is no redemption for locke
2. if kate doesn't fucking die

1/21/2010 3:18:33 PM

you would think that something like that probably wouldn't be likely today. But everything is so disconnected, that it wouldn't surprise me at all.

A "can't fly out of state" list (no reason she couldn't fly within California), would require collaboration between the county's department of probation (in california, each county has it's one probation department) and the FAA. That's a lot of paper work.

So consider that, plus that the guy who tried to set off the bomb last month was on several watch lists but was on neither the No Fly nor the security selection lists (both maintained by the Federal gov. and FAA), i have no doubt that someone on probation would be allowed to fly.



v What i'm saying is, a list of that nature probably doesn't exist (and they're not gonna create it just because of Kate). The only lists that i know of are anti-terrorism lists, which were created after 9/11. Don't know if you know anyone who has been on probation, but it's not something that's monitored all that well. Typically, a probation officer would have no idea if you left the state unless you got arrested in the other state. And if you didn't come back, they wouldn't even begin to catch on until you missed a meeting, which can be pretty far apart.

[Edited on January 21, 2010 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

1/21/2010 3:30:14 PM

right, but you'd think they'd get the paperwork done considering how long kate was a fugitive, how many times they almost caught her, and the fact that there ended up being an international manhunt for her when she ended up in australia. but it's really not that big of an issue. i'm just trying to occupy my thoughts any way i can for the next 12 ( ) days.

on a side note, this is really awesome

1/21/2010 3:44:42 PM

this is also really good if any of you need to get caught up on the last 5 seasons before feb 2

1/21/2010 4:41:47 PM

what i just noticed from that clip that i did not piece together before is that just as juliet is saying "here was i was just starting to think that free will still exists..." an event that is highly revolved around fate/destiny takes place.

1/21/2010 4:43:14 PM

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"what i just noticed from that clip that i did not piece together before is that just as juliet is saying "here was i was just starting to think that free will still exists..." an event that is highly revolved around fate/destiny takes place."

yep. it's also kind of a tie-in to the fact that juliet went to the island thinking she'd be there for only 6 months, yet she really has no control over her situation since ben has kept her there for 3 years and won't let her leave.

i really don't know what to think of the whole free will vs. fate thing. on the one hand the show constantly shoves DESTINY DESTINY DESTINY down your throat over the course of the last 5 seasons, but it also appears as if jacob's whole thing is trying to prove that people can change and are in control of their destinies during his conversation with the man in the beginning of the season 5 finale. he also tells hurley that he has a choice with respect to returning to the island in that episode. on the other hand, it seems pretty clear that jacob was the one who brought them all there in the first place, which would suggest that they're all being guided by forces that are much bigger than they are that they have no control over. i don't know.

this fucking show...

[Edited on January 21, 2010 at 5:33 PM. Reason : .]

1/21/2010 5:28:51 PM

You people know how they come up with the storyline for this show right? For those that don't, the writers all go out for a big lunch at a restaurant that has really spicy cuisine. Then, when it comes out the other end, they look at it and make up episodes based on what they see.

1/22/2010 5:28:54 PM

1/22/2010 6:25:34 PM

anyone wanna make a wager on how old richard alpert is?

1/23/2010 3:36:41 AM

http://entertainment.comedy.com/2010/01/21/lost-cupcakes/

[Edited on January 24, 2010 at 5:43 PM. Reason : i always post images, so i accidentally click the image tag when i mean link]

1/24/2010 5:43:21 PM

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"You people know how they come up with the storyline for this show right?"

get some or stfu with that weak trollery

1/24/2010 6:16:23 PM

ladysman3621

1/24/2010 6:19:03 PM

Quite revealing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABIf54H42Ik

[Edited on January 24, 2010 at 8:49 PM. Reason : wtf why cant I movie embed]

[Edited on January 24, 2010 at 8:50 PM. Reason : someone plz to embed, thx]

1/24/2010 8:48:06 PM

^ meh, nothing we didn't already know. it's pretty clear that the real locke is dead, and his body is being used by the guy in the beginning of the season 5 finale. if you rewatch episodes in that season from after ajira 316 lands on the smaller island, it's blatantly obvious that it's not locke based on the way he behaves. you just can't tell the first time through because you have no reason to suspect anything differently until the finale.

1/24/2010 9:18:48 PM

Just one week.

I think what excites me most is that every episode should be quite revealing with no filler.

What questions do others here have that are important to them regardless of the actual importance?

For me it is

What happened to the statue?
Do we ever learn what was going on with Walt?
Why can't women survive pregnancy on the island (i suspect it is the bomb blast)
wtf is going on with christian?
where is claire?

1/26/2010 10:31:49 AM

what happened to claire is a big one for me
what the smoke monster is and how it was created/where it came from

1/26/2010 10:47:02 AM

Here's a list of most of the questions out there:
http://scifiwire.com/2010/01/the-100-questions-lost-be.php

personally, I think a few of those have been hinted at if not answered. And some are just kinda joking, but pretty much all of the big questions are on there.

I definitely want to know what's up with walt and his "abilities."
Was the dripping wet version of Walt actually Walt?
If so, how and why was he doing that?

One that I don't think is on that list; Why did the others take some people from the crash and not others? Maybe Ben or someone answered that at some point, but I don't recall. It seems "Jacob" had some sort of contact with a lot of the people who were not taken, so it will probably have something to do with that i imagine.

1/26/2010 11:18:47 AM

I don't know if this one even really counts but back in Season 1, Ethan was holding Charlie up against that tree by the neck with one arm. Ethan wasn't really a big guy so it seemed to me at the time that he had some kind of super strength. It's plausible that he was just stronger than he looks and Charlie was a small guy. I know it is being nitpicky, but it always kind of annoyed me.

Also, what happened to the two stones that were found with Adam and Eve?

How old is Richard/where did he come from?

Why are there so many references to Egyptian culture?

How did the Black Rock get into the middle of the island?

1/26/2010 12:07:15 PM

just read it

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"34. Why did psychic Richard Malkin insist Claire raise Aaron?"

was answered, but a lot of people missed it. that psychic eventually confessed that he was a fake in another episode. so he was basically just bullshitting.

1/26/2010 12:16:37 PM

I don't agree. Yes, he said he was a fake. But that doesn't mean he is actually a fake - just that he said he was. And more importantly, whether or not he is psychic doesn't necessarily have anything to do with why he insisted Clair raise Aaron and not give him up for adoption. And it certainly doesn't explain why he turned around and gave her a plane ticket to LA, $6k and now recommended she give the baby up for adoption.

Fake or not, I think there was more to it. As in, he either really is psychic... or maybe he was coerced into doing it.

Plus, Eko has ties to that guy too. Eko investigated his daughter's supposed resurrection - i think that's the episode in which he admitted to being a fake. She claimed to have seen or spoken to Eko's brother while she was dead. -- is it more likely that some fake psychic was randomly involved with 2 characters or that there's a little more to it?

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 12:50 PM. Reason : eko]

1/26/2010 12:43:00 PM

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"Why can't women survive pregnancy on the island (i suspect it is the bomb blast)"

could be a reasonable guess. ethan was born on the island, and it's likely that he was conceived there since his parents were in the dharma initiative and had been living on the island for several years.

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"I definitely want to know what's up with walt and his "abilities." Was the dripping wet version of Walt actually Walt? If so, how and why was he doing that?"

i've heard since before season 5 ended that walt probably won't be explained. then again, the producers of this show have been known to lie about certain things when they've leaked information in the past. if jack's plan worked and they land in LA i don't even think it'll be likely that we'll see walt since it would look kind of ridiculous now that the kid is a lot taller and went through puberty.

as for the dripping wet walt and the one who appeared to locke, i don't think it was actually him. walt obviously has some kind of psychic abilities or something as we saw in the episode in season 1 where he made the bird crash into the window in australia and in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyoL_Ng7Vl4

beatrice also asked michael in season 2 if walt had ever appeared where he wasn't supposed to, which michael didn't really know how to answer, and he did it in front of shannon and in front of locke after he was shot by ben in season 3. it would seem that walt must also have some kind of ability to project himself in front of people where he isn't physically present, whether intentionally or not. that may be all we ever get out of walt though.

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"Why did the others take some people from the crash and not others? Maybe Ben or someone answered that at some point, but I don't recall."

i think the only explanation that we've had so far was that they were "good people." goodwin and ethan were instructed to return to ben with names in 3 days, so they must've dug up information on everyone like they did with sawyer, jack, kate etc. maybe the ones who were taken simply didn't have a lot of dirt on them. most of the people we were introduced to had a considerable or decent amount of shady history and skeletons in their closets with the exception of locke and maybe a few others. yet for some reason they were the ones jacob chose

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"It seems "Jacob" had some sort of contact with a lot of the people who were not taken, so it will probably have something to do with that i imagine."

specifically jack, kate, sawyer, sayid, sun, jin, hurley and locke. maybe he made contact with some of the others and we just won't see it til season 6, but if he didn't then there's clearly something special about all 8 of those people. and i think locke will end up being the most important character on the show by the end of it. i don't know a whole lot about season 6, but no way is he gonna stay dead. something has to happen there.

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"Ethan wasn't really a big guy so it seemed to me at the time that he had some kind of super strength. It's plausible that he was just stronger than he looks and Charlie was a small guy. I know it is being nitpicky, but it always kind of annoyed me."

then jack beat ethan's ass when they used claire as bait. i think they originally just wanted you to think there was something potentially supernatural about him for the sake of suspense.

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"How old is Richard/where did he come from?"

i came up with a theory the other night that richard is an egyptian because of the egyptian presence on the island as well as when sawyer is talking to horace in "lafleur" and refers to richard as "your buddy out there with the eyeliner." egyptians wore eyeliner, but apparently it was just a joke because the actor who plays richard has really dark eyelashes. i think the only other reasonable guess would be that he came on the black rock, but that could be wrong too.

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"Fake or not, I think there was more to it. As in, he either really is psychic... or maybe he was coerced into doing it."

i feel like it might've been hinted at that he was coerced into it, but i could be wrong about that.

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 2:24 PM. Reason : embed]

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 2:24 PM. Reason : embed won't work]

1/26/2010 2:22:53 PM

Maybe one of the reasons they hired Nestor Carbonell to play Richard was because of he looks like he is always wearing eyeliner.

1/26/2010 2:36:37 PM

true, but if they hired him for that purpose i don't know why they'd make a joke about it

1/26/2010 2:39:39 PM

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"as for the dripping wet walt and the one who appeared to locke, i don't think it was actually him. walt obviously has some kind of psychic abilities or something as we saw in the episode in season 1 where he made the bird crash into the window in australia and in this clip:"

yeah, I don't really think he was physically out there. But was it him using some sort of psychic abilities, or was it whatever is appearing as locke or maybe whatever is Christian, etc? Basically, is it Walt doing it or something else appearing as walt, and why?

I'll be pretty disappointed if they don't do something with or about his psychic abilities. And they don't need Walt to actually be in the episode to do it. They can talk about it, and they also had the psychiatrist (goodwin's wife) who had that ability iirc. So they can address it without the actor who plays walt. And really, with the time travel and without really knowing what's coming next, it's not impossible for them to work, the now older looking, Walt into the story... if they wanted.

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"and i think locke will end up being the most important character on the show by the end of it. i don't know a whole lot about season 6, but no way is he gonna stay dead. something has to happen there."

I think he'll be back too, in some pivotal role. At least i'd like him to be.

1/26/2010 3:08:56 PM

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"But was it him using some sort of psychic abilities, or was it whatever is appearing as locke or maybe whatever is Christian, etc? Basically, is it Walt doing it or something else appearing as walt, and why?"

i think it had to have been walt's abilities because of the fact that we know walt is alive. everyone else who has appeared has either been dead or the result of a dream or vision. i never thought that harper might've had the same ability as walt, but i don't see why it couldn't be true. all signs point to the smoke monster and that guy who wanted to kill jacob as the only ones who are appearing on the island as other people, and it also looks like you have to be dead with your body intact on the island in order for them to do it (yemi, alex, locke, christian). since we know walt never died, i think it's unlikely that it could be anything other than walt himself somehow making himself appear to people unless it was just some weird shit the island did on its own. but as we all know, you can speculate about this show all you want and end up being nowhere close to the truth.

but while i'm on the topic, i don't think the monster and the guy who wanted to kill jacob are the same entity even though it seems like there could be some connection between the two. it would seem like that guy might be the monster since there was no evidence previously that anything other than the monster could manifest itself as the dead, but i don't understand how it would've gotten to locke's body in the first place considering ajira 316 landed on the smaller island. i guess it's never been stated that the monster can't travel over water, but we know it has to remain somewhat close to the ground because it couldn't jump over the sonic fence surrounding the barracks. considering that, i don't think it's likely that it could simply float over water for 2 miles.

also, the jury is kind of still out for me on christian on whether or not he is another manifestation of the monster. there's always been something a bit dubious about yemi and alex when they appeared to eko and ben in order to "judge" them, but christian just seems different. i hate this show.

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"I think he'll be back too, in some pivotal role. At least i'd like him to be."

he's gotta be back somehow. i just can't see them building up locke's character over the course of 4 seasons to be this man who finally had a significant purpose after being shit on and used by various people over the course of his entire life only to be essentially used by ben to return to the island and by whoever inhabits his body to kill jacob. i mean it wouldn't be the first time there has ever been a tragic figure in any kind of story, but i just have a feeling the show has to end on a high note for him.

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 4:40 PM. Reason : locke]

1/26/2010 4:14:44 PM

Has the question of why Hurleys girlfriend appeared a flashback from his mental institution days been resolved? It wasn't hurley imagining her, he didn't even notice her there.

1/26/2010 6:07:24 PM

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"Has the question of why Hurleys girlfriend appeared a flashback from his mental institution days been resolved? It wasn't hurley imagining her, he didn't even notice her there."

no, and we may never get an explanation. my assumption is she just went off the deep end for a while after her husband died kinda like hurley did after the deck collapsed. and apparently cynthia watros wanted off the show, so i guess maybe they just never got around to explaining it even though she did make appearances in seasons 3 and 4.

1/26/2010 6:16:14 PM

did she want off, or was it part of the DUI stuff? Her and m-rod got written off pretty quickly after that. -- probably never know for sure. but definitely a little suspicious. And those 2 really came on during the "stretching it out" period, so i don't think their characters are really significant.

1/26/2010 7:19:03 PM

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"did she want off, or was it part of the DUI stuff? Her and m-rod got written off pretty quickly after that. -- probably never know for sure. but definitely a little suspicious. And those 2 really came on during the "stretching it out" period, so i don't think their characters are really significant."

i heard she wanted off, but you could be right. it is kind of suspicious, but i don't know if a DUI would warrant writing a character off the show. i think if they found ways around henry ian cusick's sexual harassment incident then they could've done it for the DUIs as well.

i bet cynthia watros probably knew there wouldn't be much going on with her character and didn't feel like living all the way out in hawaii or traveling for brief periods of time to shoot a couple scenes. mira furlan apparently did the same thing as rousseau, and the guy who played eko wanted off the show as well. eko was supposed to have a major story arc, but the writers had to pass elements of his story on to other characters.

1/26/2010 7:34:03 PM

People are reading way too much into Libby (was that her name?) being in the mental ward. What about Jack's wife getting hit by Boone and the blonde chick's (step?) dad? Or Saywer being in the Australian police station when Boone was there? Or Hurley buying Locke's box company?

The writers threw in dozens of these little coincidences (and even said they didn't really mean anything) -- you guys just got duped by a dramatic camera pan.

1/26/2010 7:41:21 PM

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"People are reading way too much into Libby (was that her name?) being in the mental ward. What about Jack's wife getting hit by Boone and the blonde chick's (step?) dad? Or Saywer being in the Australian police station when Boone was there? Or Hurley buying Locke's box company? The writers threw in dozens of these little coincidences (and even said they didn't really mean anything) -- you guys just got duped by a dramatic camera pan."

i agree that people read a little too far into libby being into the mental ward, especially since the scene where she gives desmond the boat is more significant regarding a pretty minor character. but sawyer being in the police station and hurley owning locke's box company aren't really any more significant than libby being in the mental ward. at least libby's presence there had a noticeable effect on hurley since he recognized her face, whereas locke and boone's connections with hurley and sawyer had no obvious impact on them whatsoever

and the guy who hit sarah was shannon's biological father, who died while jack focused his efforts on sarah. maybe the guy was doomed anyway, but i look at it as a decision jack made that affected the lives of other people who would eventually be on the same plane as him that crashes on an island.

and even though the writers have said the coincidences don't mean anything, they kind of do from the standpoint of saying, "look at all these people who survived this plane crash, look at all these incidents that linked them, and notice how small the degrees of separation are between each one of them." so even if they don't have much of an effect on the overall story, i still think they're a little important.

1/26/2010 8:45:20 PM

Yeah, a little important is right.

I don't really see it as one of the great outstanding questions that needs to be resolved.

1/26/2010 8:51:08 PM

jk

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 9:05 PM. Reason : jk]

1/26/2010 8:59:39 PM

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"I don't really see it as one of the great outstanding questions that needs to be resolved."

oh, absolutely not. it was probably just on the list for the sake of them being able to come up with 100 questions regardless of how valid they are.

one thing i never understood was charlie's death. i know he was supposed to die and desmond preventing it was futile because the universe has a tendency to course-correct from what eloise hawking said. but desmond told charlie that he saw claire getting on the helicopter with aaron, and it wouldn't happen if charlie didn't die. since that's not what happened and only aaron made it on the helicopter, does that mean that desmond lied to charlie because he knew that he would be reunited with penny if charlie died, or does is mean that something changed that prevented claire from boarding the helicopter?

1/26/2010 9:20:48 PM

m-rod was going to be a main character. she was like the anti-jack.

I want to know what the temple is and see it. We saw the temple gates, under the temple but we still have no idea wtf is the temple and why is it so "safe"

1/27/2010 12:09:32 AM

^^ tough to say with desmond. He traveled in time very differently than the survivors (maybe not even "in time" so much as between alternate time-lines), so he's really an x-factor at this point.

Which I guess is sort of another question I want answered. Actually, it will kinda piss me off if that doesn't come back around and impact the story somehow.

1/27/2010 12:27:54 AM

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"m-rod was going to be a main character. she was like the anti-jack."

i guess she would've been like the tailies' jack since she was a leadership role and went about it a different way, but the show already had an anti-jack (locke) from day 1. and apparently she was a big raging bitch on the set all the time, and the producers got tired of her shit and decided to kill off her character whenever they got the first chance. i'm sure the DUI didn't help.

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"^^ tough to say with desmond. He traveled in time very differently than the survivors (maybe not even "in time" so much as between alternate time-lines), so he's really an x-factor at this point."

well he wasn't exactly time traveling at those points was he? and it's also interesting that the only time he said charlie had to die was when there were going to be definite, unwanted consequences if he didn't. i kind of want to think desmond was lying because he was that desperate to get back to penny, but he also led charlie to believe he'd dive down to the looking glass instead before charlie took the oar and knocked desmond out. if they never address it again, which i'm not expecting them to, i guess i'll just have to take it as something changing that prevented claire from boarding the helicopter. if that's the case, christian or whoever is posing as him must have the ability to change what's supposed to happen.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 12:41 AM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 12:29:57 AM

how long do you think it'd take to shape up my gf who's only watched through maybe late season 2?

what approach would you take?

1) netflix/whatever and watch all old episodes
2) hit her up with some summary episodes
3) treat her to the lostapedia
4) just be like "look here, don't hate me just cause I stayed faithful"?

any sound input appreciated

1/27/2010 3:42:16 AM

if she can stream it to an xbox 360/ps3/blu-ray player via netflix, that'd be great. i recently got one of my friends to start streaming it to his 360 back in december, and he's almost caught up through season 5. if not, she can watch every episode on abc.com if she doesn't mind watching from a laptop or desktop monitor

summary episodes aren't a good option. lost is too intricate of a show with too many details to just watch summaries. it would save a lot of time, but it's not a very satisfying way of watching the show.

keep her away from lostpedia. it's alright occasionally for people who are really into the show, but it's pretty obsessive. a lot of the information is cool, and some of it certainly helps your understanding of the show, but a lot of it is also way too much and not even really necessary. for instance, they list animals as a recurring theme and cite that in episode summaries every time an animal appears. what the fuck.

if she's really serious about watching it, i'd go with getting her caught up on every episode. well maybe not "expose.'" you might be able to just fill her in on key details from lostpedia and spare her from watching 40 something minutes of a crap episode

1/27/2010 4:18:56 AM

desmond had a vision. he probably saw aaron and assumed the woman with him was claire, and not kate. i don't think it is any more complicated than that.

1/27/2010 9:36:29 AM

^ it may not be. i guess i could be over thinking it.

did anyone else miss "a journey in time" when it aired before the season 5 finale last year? i never knew that ben killed locke in an attempt to regain favor as the leader of the others since locke's failure to bring back the oceanic 6 would be seen as him being unworthy.

1/27/2010 10:18:03 AM

I could have sworn that it showed on screen the vision of Claire/Aaron getting into the helicopter. Maybe it is still to come in Season 6 since Claire is obviously still on the island.

1/27/2010 11:47:39 AM

^but Aaron's not.

1/27/2010 12:27:44 PM

^^ no. i think the only vision of desmond's that we actually see is where charlie gets the arrow in the neck. all the other times he just describes what happens and how charlie died every time.

1/27/2010 12:50:38 PM

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"but Aaron's not."

not right now. But if they somehow create a different time line. Or go back and get a chance to do things differently while having memories of what happened before... it's not impossible

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"well he wasn't exactly time traveling at those points was he?"

without seeing the episodes which dealt with all this in a long time or going back and reading my old posts:

no, not exactly. at least i don't think so. But it's also difficult to define "time traveling" since it's not a reality. I think he has both time traveled in the way kate, jack, hurley have (their entire bodies going to a different time/place and staying there), and with just his consciousness going places.

Desmond's consciousness was jumping around during the freighter episodes, like that of the rats in Faraday's experiments. - remember, the rat's consciousness went to the future where the rat knew the maze. Then it came back to the time where it hadn't learned the maze yet, but was able to complete it on the first try (because it had the memories of learning the maze in the future).

Desmond was also sent back after he turned the key in the hatch. And he was reliving what he had done before. But it wasn't exactly the same, that or he couldn't remember everything correctly (remember the soccer match they were watching in the bar?). Personally, I think he was living in the past, but on a different time-line. All the major things were the same, but small details (like the soccer match) were different.

-- i think that will tie in with what Jacob and the other guy were talking about. "They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same." And really everything going on. They're traveling to the past, and in-turn creating a new/alternate time line and maybe they've created dozens of slightly altered time-lines. Each one ends up being a little different than the other. But eventually, those little things may add up to change something significant - again, that's just my theory.


Desmond then blackouts and seemingly ends up back on the island after the blackout - at what to everyone else, was right after he turned the key - except he was suddenly naked and he was now able to predict/had visions (or had memories of) things to come. Like some things that Locke was going to say. And I'm pretty sure that's how he knew/thought that charlie was going to die too -- i doubt he was lying about it.

Now, what we don't know for sure is whether or not his conscience is what jumped/traveled (for just a really long time), or if he actually traveled in time when he turned the key. If just his consciousness went, how did he end up naked? Maybe he time traveled (in the same vein that jack and company have), and then at some other point in the future traveled back to immediately after that point - which may explain how he had "visions" (or maybe memories) of what was going to happen on the island. And it could also explain why he's naked. However, we don't know for sure where/when "naked desmond" came from at this point. We were led to believe he blacked out and showed up there - but again, why no clothes? Are we to believe the blast vaporized his clothes but didn't really harm him all that much?

I think Desmond is definitely the x-factor and will play a MAJOR role in how things turn out.



Completely separate: I'm not entirely sold that the person we think is Jacob, is actually Jacob. iirc, he never mentions his name in any of the episodes. And none of the people who seem to know about jacob, have seen him yet. Has anything happened in the show that definitely points to the blonde guy as being Jacob? Or are we just assuming he's Jacob because everyone is led to the statue when they're going to see Jacob, Ben and "Locke" go in and it's the blonde guy? Remember, Ben has never seen Jacob, he has no idea what he looks like. And Locke isn't actually locke, his comment leads us to believe he's the dark-haired guy. Why did Ilana and her group go straight to the cabin to find Jacob as opposed to the statue? -- I'm not saying it's definitely not jacob, more that I'm not quite sure why a lot of people seem so sure that he is.

Did I miss something that confirms he is definitely Jacob?


Another question I thought of: What's the deal with Mikhail - that guy seemed to have died like 3 times.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 1:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 1:18:51 PM

^didn't "the blonde guy" introduce himself as "Jacob" during the flashbacks where we saw his interactions with various characters in the distant past? Maybe I'm wrong, it's been awhile.

1/27/2010 1:27:25 PM

In that opening scene in the finale for season 5 the dark haired guy says something to the extent of "do you know how much I want to kill you jacob". This is how we're certain the man is jacob.

Quote :

" Personally, I think he was living in the past, but on a different time-line. All the major things were the same, but small details (like the soccer match) were different."

I think we find out later in that same episode that Desmond was confusing that match with one the next day or something along those lines.

1/27/2010 2:03:04 PM

^ that could be right about the soccer match. But i still think they're creating alternate time-lines and changing small things along the way.


According to lostpedia, this is the conversation they have:

JACOB: I take it you're here because of the ship.
ENEMY: I am. How did they find the Island?
JACOB: You'll have to ask them when they get here.
ENEMY: I don't have to ask. You brought them here. Still trying to prove me wrong, aren't you?
JACOB: You are wrong.
ENEMY: Am I? They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.
JACOB: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.
ENEMY: Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?
JACOB: Yes.
ENEMY: One of these days, sooner or later... I'm going to find a loophole, my friend.
JACOB: Well, when you do, I'll be right here.


I can't think of a time that he's introduced himself as Jacob. I may be wrong, I just don't recall that character ever being addressed as Jacob, or calling himself Jacob.

1/27/2010 2:35:49 PM

LOSTPEDIA truncated the conversation. It is right after that.

In fact I went and found it for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpNJyP23e_0

2:54

There were a few things I want to know that I forgot to list earlier.

Will we see who was actually shooting at the time jumping group when they were in the boats?
What the fuck is going on with Daniel Faraday when he is watching the oceanic report and most importantly does him writing down that Desmond is his constant ever do anything?



[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 2:50 PM. Reason : some like it hoth]

1/27/2010 2:46:10 PM

ah ok, thanks. I must have missed that during the episode.

1/27/2010 2:52:33 PM