9/29/2009 10:34:39 PM

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"^ Somalia, too?! Wow--you're to the right of me, WJ. "

I'm all over the damn place, man. I really am. I put forth quite a bit of thought--err, at least I used to--to pretty much every issue. Again, anyone who prescribes to one side of the aisle just doesn't think very hard.

9/29/2009 10:49:58 PM

^ Dude, you're joking, aren't you? You wouldn't actually bomb Somalia, would you?

[Edited on September 29, 2009 at 10:55 PM. Reason : PS: I agree with your last statement--I'd love to see a coalition government here. ]

9/29/2009 10:53:19 PM

I dunno. I'm sure there are some nice people there.

But seriously, asshole of the earth. Maybe we relocate the Somalians without automatic weapons to somewhere nice like Algeria, Tunesia, and THEN nuke the place.

I've been told I'm more of a classic Federalist Republican than anything else. I'm not really sure what it means.



[Edited on September 29, 2009 at 11:30 PM. Reason : fdsds]

9/29/2009 11:29:08 PM

So someone here is deep in the pockets of the Zionists/AIPAC/ADL/etc.

9/30/2009 11:02:56 AM

We are breaking rules from the same non proliferation law that we are accusing Iran of breaking.

It says that nations without nuclear weapons can't build them but the part that we choose to ignore is that nations with nuclear weapons must disarm.

Until we get rid of our own nuclear weapons (which we don't even need to protect ourselves) then we are hypocrits to call out Iran, NK or any other nation. Here we have small nations trying to build them to protect themselves from wreckless agression (US destroying Iraqi society).

9/30/2009 11:37:17 AM

I wish I could build a tiny one and set it off in your vagina.

9/30/2009 11:40:29 AM

^ LOL!

9/30/2009 12:27:55 PM

U.S. to Seek Rare Meeting With Iran on Nuclear Program
September 30, 2009

Quote :

"GENEVA, Sept. 30 -- U.S. officials signaled Wednesday that they would seek a rare one-on-one meeting with Iranian diplomats during talks here on Thursday between Iran and other major powers on Tehran's nuclear program."

Quote :

"The chief Iranian negotiator, Saeed Jalili, is expected to press for acceptance of an Iranian proposal that would move beyond the nuclear issue and instead launch talks on a broad ranges of areas, including Afghanistan and reform of the United Nations. Whereas U.S. officials want to narrow the discussion to nuclear weapons, the Iranians want to broaden the topics on the table in order to test areas of cooperation with the United States. In Tehran Wednesday, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a Cabinet session that 'this meeting is a test to measure the extent of sincerity and commitment of some countries to law and justice,' according to the official IRNA news agency."

Quote :

"The other countries at the talks are Britain, France, Russia, Germany and China, many of which are sending their top professional diplomats. As a sign of U.S. seriousness -- and the intense media interest -- a substantial team of White House and State Department officials, including three spokesmen, is accompanying Burns. The massive press attention is also leading the Swiss government to shift the venue to another location still under discussion, officials said."

Quote :

"In any case, the Iranians repeatedly insist they will never suspend their enrichment activities."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/30/AR2009093002407.html

9/30/2009 3:33:10 PM

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Israel_get_two_German_submarines_999.html
Israel takes delivery of German-made subs, modified to carry nuclear missiles

Quote :

"With the latest delivery, Israel now holds five state-of-the-art U212s, designed for a crew of 35 and capable of launching cruise missiles that carry nuclear warheads to a distance of 2,810 miles. The submarines are the most expensive weapon platforms in Israel's arsenal."

Iran doesn't have the ability to take out all those subs, which means even if Iran by some crazy stroke of luck manages to hit, or even destroy Israel, they themselves will still be turned into radioactive glass.

10/1/2009 8:40:35 PM

Israel isn't bound by the rules stated treaty we "think" Iran "may" be breaking.

[Edited on October 1, 2009 at 9:07 PM. Reason : and germany is distributing nuclear equipment. Isn't that what we accuse nk or "considering"]

10/1/2009 9:06:10 PM

^^ I don't think any reasonable persone is under the delusion that Iran would nuke Israel directly. It is a reasonable conclusion given their rhetoric and past behavior that they would possibly funnel a fully functional bomb, or a dirty bomb to Hezbollah for use in order to insulate themselves from Israeli retribution.

Or even worse, their entire government either collapses or is infiltrated with terrorist elements to procure these resources. Pakistan is in constant danger of this themselves, but at least their government is somewhat secular and wouldn't (we don't think) knowingly let anything happen or let these elements get to deep into their science/military directorates. Iran pretty much promotes them to the top of the RG.

10/2/2009 9:51:48 AM

^ I somehow don't think Iran supplying a terrorist faction with nuclear materials is going to insulate them. MAD is very much in place (although we/Israel/allies would probably respond with a barrage of conventional weapons instead of nukes), and Iran is rational enough to realize this (Kim Jong Il, i'm not so sure).

10/2/2009 11:31:11 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6256173/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-revealed-to-have-Jewish-past.html
http://www.rferl.org/content/Were_Ahmadinejads_Ancestors_Jews_/1375318.html

Ahmedinijad is actually a Jew

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

10/5/2009 11:45:22 AM

Report Says Iran Has Data to Make Bomb
October 4, 2009

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"Senior staff members of the United Nations nuclear agency have concluded in a confidential analysis that Iran has acquired 'sufficient information to be able to design and produce a workable' atom bomb."

Quote :

"But the report's conclusions, described by senior European officials, go well beyond the public positions taken by several governments, including the United States, and follow the revelation of a new underground nuclear enrichment center under construction near the Iranian city of Qum."

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"Two years ago, American intelligence agencies published a detailed report concluding that Tehran halted its efforts to design a nuclear weapon in 2003. But in recent months, Britain has joined France, Germany and Israel in disputing that conclusion, saying the work has been resumed. The atomic agency's report presents evidence that beyond improving upon bomb-making information gathered from rogue nuclear experts around the world, Iran has done extensive research and testing on how to fashion the components of a weapon. It does not say how far that work has progressed."

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"Experts say Iran has already mastered the hardest part, enriching the uranium that can be used as nuclear fuel."

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"Even so, the emerging sense in the intelligence world that Iran has solved the major nuclear design problems poses a new diplomatic challenge for President Barack Obama and his allies."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/world/middleeast/05iran.html

10/5/2009 8:28:16 PM

Iran plans to use new centrifuge at nuclear plant
Tue Oct 6, 2009

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"Nuclear experts believe the new model of centrifuge is capable of doubling or tripling the output rate."

Quote :

"The West suspects the Islamic state is covertly seeking to develop nuclear weapons. Iran denies this but has refused to curb the program or allow unfettered IAEA inspections needed to verify it is for peaceful purposes only."

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"Enriched uranium can be used to fuel nuclear power plants and, if refined much further, provide material for atomic bombs. Iran has said the new enrichment site, which has space for 3,000 centrifuges, is about 18 months away from going on line."

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"Some experts said the non-proliferation purpose of this deal -- reducing Iran's accumulation of enriched uranium that could possibly be diverted for weaponisation -- would mean little if Iran accelerated its enrichment rate. David Albright, head of the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security which tracks nuclear proliferation, said: 'At best, the proposal to remove the LEU (low-enriched uranium) is a temporary measure that becomes meaningless unless Iran suspends its enrichment program.'"

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5951Z920091006

10/7/2009 11:48:30 PM

OK, so there are 2 items in the news that I'm reading between the lines on regarding Iran...

I offer the following caveats:

(a) I have no inside knowledge of any classified sources pertaining to this. This is strictly my conjecture.

(b) I freely admit that I could reading too much into this. I'm kinda thinking out loud, here.



1. Netanyahu's recent visit to Moscow where he presented a list of Russian scientists that Israeli intel has found to be working with Iran on nuclear arms development.

By divulging this list (supposedly specifically identifying the scientists by name), the intel operation is no longer covert. The implication could be that they've pretty much seen all they need to see. I view it as a sort of diplomatic throwing-down of the gauntlet. By rather publicly presenting this information to the Russians, they are saying (a) You're busted, Moscow--we know what's going on, and you need to knock that shit off. (b) You need to lean on your boy Iran to straighten up, because...(c) We just intentionally blew our own cover...you do the math--we're done with collecting intel. If this last effort at diplomacy doesn't work, we're going to blow a bunch of stuff up.


2. President Obama's reluctance to honor General McChrystal's request for 40,000 additional troops to Afghanistan.

First, there are obviously a variety of reasons that could explain this that have nothing to do with Iran, and some of these reasons are probably more likely explanations.

That said, just a few months ago, Obama made it sound like a done deal that we would be significantly re-engaging in Afghanistan. On the surface, it sounds like stepping up forces there offers the bonus prize of sending a message to Tehran: You'd better quit fucking around--we have you surrounded.

I wonder, though (in light of the timing being pretty much coincident with Netanyahu's Moscow visit), if this apparent throttling-back of an Afghanistan surge might be an attempt at not inflaming relations with Tehran while gearing up for one last round of comparatively "gentlemanly" diplomacy before proceeding to "line in the sand" diplomacy, and ultimately a potential military strike. It could even be a sort of "good cop, bad cop" routine with the President and the General somewhat publicly at odds, with the General getting somewhat of a public rebuke.

10/8/2009 10:56:45 PM

If we attack Iran, non retaliation...America's image will be lost forever.

10/9/2009 12:11:30 AM

If we can't beat a bunch of damn poppy farmers then Iran would straight kick our ass.

If Israel starts some shit they're on their own.

10/9/2009 12:34:05 AM

^ That's ridiculous on so many levels. We've killed, injured, or captured many more enemy than the enemy has inflicted casualties on us.

U.S. military stops publicizing Taliban body count in Afghanistan
July 27th 2009

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"Nearly 3,800 insurgents were killed in Afghanistan last year, according to an Associated Press count. This year, more than 2,300 have been killed."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/27/2009-07-27_us_military_stops_publicizing_taliban_body_count_in_afghanistan.html

Year US
2001 12
2002 49
2003 48
2004 52
2005 99
2006 98
2007 117
2008 155
2009 239
Total 869

http://icasualties.org/oef/

And Iran's government is teetering on collapse even now, kept in power only by the brutal practices of an oppressive regime. Nevertheless, any nuclear weapons sites in Iran need to be taken out through air strikes by Israel and the United States should back them to the hilt.

Any means necessary should be used to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon--and this is Obama's stated position--though I believe Obama will go no further than harsh sanctions. You don't want Holocaust denier Ahmadinejad getting his hands on an atom bomb--you really don't.

10/9/2009 2:36:19 AM

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"If we can't beat a bunch of damn poppy farmers then Iran would straight kick our ass. "

dude...

I assure you that beating poppy farmers is child's play. There is no nation-state, ragtag group of goat-herders, or anything in between that we couldn't militarily defeat and/or slaughter like it's fucking cool.

We are, by a wide margin, the best in human history at nation-destroying.

It's nation-building where we get into trouble.

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"We've killed, injured, or captured many more enemy than the enemy has inflicted casualties on us. "

Bodycounts and kill ratios are not the metrics which determine victory or defeat.

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"evertheless, any nuclear weapons sites in Iran need to be taken out through air strikes by Israel and the United States should back them to the hilt. "

Talk about a shitshow in the Middle East. That would be out of control.

Now, I don't think Iran should be allowed to become nuclear-armed, and I think that if it really comes down to it, I wouldn't blame Israel one bit for bombing them to prevent that from happen, but come on...even if it does come down to military action (which represents a failure--one which we do hold some measure of responsibility for), Israel unilaterally striking Iran--while being backed explicitly by the U.S., is...ummmmmm...not the best scenario that could unfold.

Quote :

"though I believe Obama will go no further than harsh sanctions. "

Maybe, but I'm not so convinced that he's a huge pussy. I think that he'll be much more apt to work multilaterally (which may very well be an option against Iraq), particularly with our European allies...and I don't think he'll be as prone as his predecessor to fuck away diplomatic opportunities by being cumbersome and inflammatory. However, I'm not at all convinced that he wouldn't make heads roll if it comes down to it.

10/9/2009 2:50:45 AM

^

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"Bodycounts and kill ratios are not the metrics which determine victory or defeat."

Incorrect. Kill ratios are one metric.

You attack this recognized metric and you don't enlighten us as to what is the golden metric(s) of "victory or defeat"? Define both and tell me how you would get there (victory) and not go there (defeat).

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"Now, I don't think Iran should be allowed to become nuclear-armed. . . ."

Then we're in agreement--no more needs to be said. Has Iran demonstrated on any level that it's going to truly cooperate and give up its nuclear ambitions? The answer has become painfully self-evident over the last few months.

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"Maybe, but I'm not so convinced that he's a huge pussy."

Strawman much? Where have I posted that Obama is a "huge pussy"? Answer: I haven't--but that's not the point. Obama ran as an anti-war candidate who would govern as an anti-war president--his constituency won't even support him now concerning Afghanistan even though Obama has called it a "war of necessity" and the "central front" in the War on Terror overseas contingency operation.

You honestly think Obama's people are going to support him supporting Israel attacking Iran? Think again.

10/9/2009 3:11:44 AM

Quote :

"So someone here is deep in the pockets of the Zionists/AIPAC/ADL/etc."

yeah. Go Israel! 'cause they've really got the market cornered on civility. As far as I'm concerned, they're as reprehensible as the general lot I initially indicted.

10/9/2009 9:01:50 AM

We're no longer in a position to stand up to Iran. The time when we had the force and military capacity to do so is long gone. If Iran wants to create a nuke, it isn't up to us to stop it. If they're stupid enough to use it, they'll pay the price.

Sanctions are completely retarded. They hurt the people of the country, and do nothing to punish the leaders making decisions. Sanctions are not an effective method with Iran. They would only be effective if the leadership truly cared about the welfare of the citizens...that doesn't seem to be the case.

TLDR version: we're broke and need to let go of our military ambitions. Time for someone else to worry about being the world's police - it's time for us to get back to a reasonable policy, balance the budget, and not get entangled in overseas operations.

10/9/2009 9:20:54 AM

If some of you think that the Middle East will be a more stable region with Iran holding an atomic weapon, I have to question your judgment.

And Iran really knows how to extend the olive branch--am I right?

Iran to "blow up heart" of Israel if attacked: official
Fri Oct 9, 2009 8:32am EDT

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"TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran would 'blow up the heart' of Israel if it was attacked by the Jewish state or the United States, a Revolutionary Guards official was quoted Friday as saying. 'Even if one American or Zionist missile hits our country, before the dust settles, Iranian missiles will blow up the heart of Israel,' Mojtaba Zolnour said, according to IRNA news agency."

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE59816920091009

[Edited on October 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM. Reason : True peace is not merely the absence of conflict but the presence of justice.]

10/9/2009 4:47:34 PM

I'm pretty sure I would strike back is another country attacked me.

10/9/2009 4:53:26 PM

Nobody cares what you would do. Iran is in clear violation of the will of the world community, specific UN resolutions, and the policies of the Obama administration:

http://www.parstimes.com/history/un_1698.pdf

Obama: Iran cannot be permitted to be nuke power
Jul 02, 2009

Quote :

"[Obama] said a nuclear-armed Iran would likely trigger an arms race in the already volatile Mideast and said that would be 'a recipe for potential disaster.'"

http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/07/02/obama-iran-cannot-be-permitted-to-be-nuke-power/

Quote :

"Death to Israel!"

--Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo

US sees hand of elite Iranian unit in Afghanistan

Quote :

"WASHINGTON, Sept 21 (Reuters) - The United States believes Iran's Revolutionary Guards are providing training and weapons to Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan to help them fight Western forces, U.S. counterterrorism officials said on Monday."

http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSN21522027

10/9/2009 5:04:19 PM

So, if another country were to attack the United States, you would not want to strike back?

Why are you so yellow?

10/9/2009 5:22:55 PM

Majority in U.S. Would Back Attack to Prevent Iran Nuclear Bomb

Quote :

"Oct. 6 (Bloomberg) -- A majority of Americans are skeptical that diplomacy with Iran will succeed and say the U.S. should use military action if necessary to prevent the Iranian government from developing a nuclear weapon. A Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey released today found 61 percent of Americans would support a military strike. Twenty-four percent said it is more important to avoid conflict even if that means Iran will end up building nuclear arms. The survey by the Washington-based group found 63 percent support direct U.S. negotiations with Iran to push the country to abandon its nuclear program. Still, 64 percent said such efforts won’t succeed. The poll was conducted last week, when Iran held talks with the U.S. and other United Nations powers and agreed to widen discussions on the nuclear dispute."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNvqCq5beGAE

10/10/2009 5:25:02 AM

That just shows how retarded the majority of Americans are. Plenty of other polls confirm that. How can that many people think attacking Iran is a viable option at this point? Do they have any idea how much a war costs? Two just isn't enough, when our economy is in ruin. Let's take on three, yeah!

The only reason to attack Iran on this is to "protect Israel." This is an agenda driven by the religious right, because they think the people of Israel are God's chosen people. Otherwise, Israel would just be another country that we didn't really give a shit about. If the middle east wants to blow itself up, there's nothing we can reasonably do to stop it. We should let countries that aren't trillions of dollars in debt take care of this one.

10/10/2009 10:03:54 AM

They want nuke for defensive purposes just like anybody else. We only recognize the rights of SOME nations though...

Quote :

""Death to Israel!""

Please Please Please Please Pleaseeee...learn the context of this statement.

[Edited on October 14, 2009 at 12:18 PM. Reason : death to x has a totally different meaning than ending life]

10/14/2009 12:17:41 PM

^ Could you possibly be more of a stupid apologist? Or are you just a troll? I'm sure the following excerpts are just figurative language that was also taken out of context, right?

Quote :

"'[T]his origin of corruption [Israel] will soon be wiped off of the Earth's face.'"

Quote :

"Ahmadinejad also called the US a satanic power... that with -- God's will -- would be annihilated."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLDjGdJC0Q

--Wackjob Ahmadinejad

STFU.

10/14/2009 12:32:30 PM

^ what's your point? We called Iran part of the axis of evil, and we have the most powerful military in the world, and we support Israel.

Ahmedinjad has a big mouth, but that's part of his job. Only an idiot would be so reactionary about their statement, given the circumstances.

10/14/2009 12:40:19 PM

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"^ what's your point?"

So, Wackjob Ahmadinejad's a liar, too? That'll make him a great negotiating partner, I'm sure.

Just STFU, troll.

10/14/2009 12:44:33 PM

huh? Of course he's a liar, most politicians are liars. When we negotiate, we have to factor this in, and the other side has to factor this in too.

10/14/2009 12:45:56 PM

Quote :

"Just STFU, troll. "

10/14/2009 12:48:20 PM

I'd go about this Godfather style. Have the top 5-6 gov't officials in Iran assasinated on the same day.

Hell of a lot cheaper than a military offense.

10/14/2009 1:17:23 PM

Quote :

"I'd go about this Godfather style. Have the top 5-6 gov't officials in Iran assasinated on the same day."

surprised it hasnt been done yet to be quite honest, esp lately with all the civil unrest over the fraud allegations and anti-"i'madinnerjacket" movement.

10/16/2009 11:38:24 AM

Russia "Nyet!" and China "Bu Shi!" to Tougher Iran Sanctions
Amb. Marc Ginsberg, Former US Amb. to Morocco
October 16, 2009

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"In one bad week for us good guys, both Russia and China brushed aside diplomatic entreaties from the Obama administration and in a one-two punch rejected calls for tougher economic sanctions to thwart Iran's nuclear weapons development program."

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"Given the stakes and sense of urgency, one may conclude the Russians and Chinese foolishly prefer a military showdown between the West and Iran than a diplomatic solution. And to what purpose? Surely a nuclear-armed Iran will destabilize the entire Middle East."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amb-marc-ginsberg/russia-china-nyet---bu-sh_b_324105.html

Cold shoulder from China, Russia chills Obama outreach on Iran
10/15/09



Look, you can just keep pressing 'reset' but the shit doesn't work! LOL!

Quote :

" China's move to join Russia in declining President Obama's call for more sanctions against Tehran delivered a blow to the administration's tough new stance on Iran's nuclear program. Shortly after Russia rebuffed the administration on sanctions, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao signaled Beijing's interest in strengthening ties with Iran. The White House had been hoping for a united, international push against Iran. But both Russia and China hold veto power on the United Nations Security Council, making the prospects for meaningful sanctions highly unlikely. 'It should be clear if there was any doubt that the Obama administration's attempt to hit the reset button on relations with Moscow has produced very little in tangible results on Iran,' said James Phillips, an expert on Iran at the Heritage Foundation."

http://tinyurl.com/ylg8epj

Yeah, those "talks" are really working out.

10/17/2009 6:36:57 AM

we should invade

10/18/2009 2:26:17 AM

What we should do is not allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons--as Obama has said. In the meantime, the Iranian leadership really knows how to extend the olive branch:

2,500 seek release of U.S. hikers detained in Iran
October 15, 2009

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" NEW YORK (CNN) -- Families of three U.S. hikers detained by Iran submitted a 2,500-signature petition to Tehran's U.N. mission Thursday, appealing for their release 'as soon as possible.' Shane Bauer, Sarah Shourd and Josh Fattal were detained July 31 after reportedly straying into Iran while hiking in northern Iraq."

Quote :

"President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran said last month that the Americans entered his country illegally, 'an act that is considered a crime everywhere.'"

Except by liberals in the United States.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/15/iran.us.hikers/

10/18/2009 5:33:39 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/18/AR2009101802262.html

Revolutionary Guard commanders targeted and killed in a suicide attack in Iran

Quote :

"the deadliest attack against the Islamic regime in more than two decades"

^ is it now a bad thing to disagree with Ahmedinijad, in hooksaw’s eyes?

[Edited on October 18, 2009 at 11:50 PM. Reason : ]

10/18/2009 11:48:09 PM

^ But Iran blames Obama--man, Iran really knows how to kick off some peace talks--and that's one sure way to get you leftist doofuses to turn against them. Pretty soon you'll be telling Iran to die in a house fire.

Iran threatens Britain and U.S. after Guard bombing
Oct 19, 2009

Quote :

"TEHRAN (Reuters) – The head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards on Monday vowed to 'retaliate' against the United States and Britain after accusing them of backing the perpetrators of a suicide bombing that killed six Guards commanders."

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"The incident threatened to overshadow talks between Iran and global powers in Vienna on Monday intended to tackle a standoff about Iran's nuclear ambitions. Guards commander-in-chief Mohammad Ali Jafari said Iranian security officials had presented documents indicating 'direct ties' from Jundollah to U.S., British and, 'unfortunately,' Pakistani intelligence organizations, the ISNA news agency said. 'Behind this scene are the American and British intelligence apparatus, and there will have to be retaliatory measures to punish them,' Jafari was quoted as saying."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091019/ts_nm/us_iran_guards_attack

10/19/2009 8:55:10 PM

If you're going to roll your eyes at that then you really should bowl your eyes at the whole afghanistan campaign

10/20/2009 10:25:02 PM

Iran Rejects Deal to Ship Out Uranium, Officials Report
Published: October 29, 2009

Quote :

"WASHINGTON — Iran told the United Nations nuclear watchdog on Thursday that it would not accept a plan its negotiators agreed to last week to send its stockpile of uranium out of the country, according to diplomats in Europe and American officials briefed on Iran's response. The apparent rejection of the deal could unwind President Obama's effort to buy time to resolve the nuclear standoff."

Quote :

"A senior European official characterized the Iranian response as 'basically a refusal.' The Iranians, he said, want to keep all of their lightly enriched uranium in the country until receiving fuel bought from the West for the reactor in Tehran. 'The key issue is that Iran does not agree to export its lightly enriched uranium,' the official said. 'That's not a minor detail. That's the whole point of the deal.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/world/middleeast/30nuke.html

It's. . .it's like Iran doesn't even want to cooperate. Imagine that![/sarcasm]

10/30/2009 5:13:36 AM

Out of curiosity, what do you recommend we do in Iran?

10/30/2009 5:19:30 AM

Quote :

"What we should do is not allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons--as Obama has said. In the meantime, the Iranian leadership really knows how to extend the olive branch. . . . "

10/30/2009 5:23:20 AM

I recommend we give them a time to comply that if not met, we commence the world's largest aerial bombardment. Everything short of nukes gets used. We make the entire country look like Dresden when it's over.

10/30/2009 9:41:22 AM

Yeah, let's cause another genocide.

Some of you are fucking sick and evil.

10/30/2009 9:55:40 AM

Quote :

"What we should do is not allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons--as Obama has said. In the meantime, the Iranian leadership really knows how to extend the olive branch. . . ."

That's not very specific. Do you want to use sanctions? Bomb them? Invade? I want to know exactly what people think we should do about Iran.

Quote :

"I recommend we give them a time to comply that if not met, we commence the world's largest aerial bombardment. Everything short of nukes gets used. We make the entire country look like Dresden when it's over."

That's a great idea. We have a great track record of bombing the shit out of countries when they don't comply to our will, so I'm sure that could be in the cards. Let's just kill as many civilians as possible. That'll show em.

Why do you people care so much? How do you think we can pay for another war? Why not just leave it alone, let the UN do what it is supposedly there to do, and not worry about it? We can't launch these hugely expensive military operations anymore. We're broke. You have to admit that, even if you don't understand the (obvious) moral implications of launching another aggressive war.

10/30/2009 10:21:44 AM