hahahahaha, look how mad you are.

Its almost comical.

1/12/2010 5:40:44 PM

actually I think el nacho is right, I'm pretty sure cnn specifically reported that the contract stated conan could be moved to 12:05, plus I doubt they could get away with violating conan's contract so obviously/ conan hasn't said anything about it

and i think the issue is simply that leno's tonight show had better ratings than conan's so far, so they want to keep the guy that can make them the most money short term

1/12/2010 5:44:19 PM

El Nacho never stated anything about 1205

The ratings are going to be lower at first, he is a new host.

The whole argument is that El Nacho said that Conan wouldn't be paid if he walked

I said he would.

Neiter side, NBC or Conan seems to think that the other is correct.

Quote :

"by the way, for future reference, that's what being completely owned looks like"

You have yet to own me in anything. Keep trying. btw, thanks for dedicating so much time to me, I am honored.

Neither one of us will know which one is right and which one is wrong till its all said and done.

So if Conan leaves, and gets paid, anything, will you admit you were wrong and got totally fucking owned? Because I am pretty confident in the end, he is going to get paid something.

Quote :

"Putting words into my mouth are we? I never said the TMZ article was 100% anything. If you go back and look I even said that it's all about who you believe. I was quick to point out that the TMZ article was contrary to both common sense, and practically every other source on the internet. I did say you were 100% wrong about Conan's contract stating that he had to be on a show at 11:35. And as you've yet to provide a source (TMZ or otherwise) that says any different, I will stand by that assessment. "

But you said...

Quote :

"apdancing Christ, are you always this stupid? (Hint: that question was rhetorical as I've read many of your other posts and already clearly know the answer is yes.) It's not just one source vs another. It's one source vs practically everyone else that's reported on the matter. It has been reported since the very beginning that while Conan does have a contract to do "The Tonight Show" it's not in his contract as to which time slot that show will be in. So you saying "that NBC is violating the contract that they signed with Conan by moving his time slot." is just wrong. 100% wrong and confirmed by everyone including Conan in the statement he released."

Stop contradicting yourself, it makes you look like a fucking retard.

Your all might NY Times also reported that their is a rift in the contract between the 2 sides. So yeah, more than just TMZ is reporting it.

Also, I never said that Conan's contract stated that he had to be on at 11:35.

Come back to my ownage buffet anytime. Refills are free all day long.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 6:01 PM. Reason : ,]

1/12/2010 5:49:44 PM

What part of that was contradictory exactly?

Quote :

"I never said the TMZ article was 100% anything. "

Quote :

"I did say you were 100% wrong about Conan's contract stating that he had to be on a show at 11:35."

Quote :

"So you saying "that NBC is violating the contract that they signed with Conan by moving his time slot." is just wrong. 100% wrong and confirmed by everyone including Conan in the statement he released.""

And I don't know why you keep talking about my all might (sic) NY Times. I just used them as one of many sources that disagreed with TMZ. I'm not even one of the several people that called you an idiot for thinking that TMZ is a more reliable source than the NY Times. You're really taking this personally like you have some sort of emotional attachment to TMZ or something. You might want to go back and look at who's been doing the majority of the TMZ bashing, because it ain't me.

1/12/2010 6:03:01 PM

I was saying what TMZ was reporting. I never said anything about the contract saying 11:35.

So to sit here and tell me that what I was saying is 100% wrong when I was just relaying what TMZ was reporting is calling TMZ 100% wrong.

Quote :

"And I don't know why you keep talking about my all might (sic) NY Times. I just used them as one of many sources that disagreed with TMZ."

The NY Times also said there is some contract disupute over the time slot, which agrees with what I posted from TMZ.

And yes, when it comes to celebrity gossip and stuff like this, TMZ is a far more credible source than the NY Times is. Now if this was an article on the state of health care reform, and TMZ was trying to report on it, I wouldn't trust one thing they posted really, because its not what they do.

It would be like Sports Illustrated keeping up with the kids Brad Pitt and Angelina were adopting and where or where they might be adopting them from.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 6:08 PM. Reason : /]

1/12/2010 6:06:10 PM

Quote :

"I think the whole argument is that NBC is violating the contract that they signed with Conan by moving his time slot."

Quote :

"I never said anything about the contract saying 11:35."

Who's contradicting himself now?

1/12/2010 6:09:35 PM

Absolutely nailed it.

1/12/2010 6:13:27 PM

Quote :

"[quote]I think the whole argument is that NBC is violating the contract that they signed with Conan by moving his time slot."

Quote :

"I never said anything about the contract saying 11:35."

Who's contradicting himself now?[/quote]

Show me where I said anything about the contract saying 11:35 in it.

11:35 /= time slot.

Are you really this stupid?

Like I said. Based on reports that we have, all late night shows specify a time slot in them. The one Conan signed did not because its pretty much implied that the Tonight Show is always 1135 after the local news airs, since thats when it has always aired.

Its like when you go in to get a haircut.

You never agree on a price, but if you walk out without paying its illegal because its an implied contract.

I am not saying this is totally the case, but I assume thats what Conan's side is trying to argue.



[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM. Reason : ;]

1/12/2010 6:17:20 PM

So what specific amount of time were you referring to when you said the words "his time slot"?

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 6:20 PM. Reason : Because currently he's in the 11:35 slot. Maybe you were unaware of this little bit of info.]

1/12/2010 6:19:20 PM

Once again, like I said, the contract does not mention the 1135 times slot. You know why? Because it airs at different times around the country.

The time slot for the Tonight Show has always been after the local news.

A time slot is not always a specific time per say.

1/12/2010 6:22:10 PM

Quote :

"A time slot is not always a specific time per say."

OK, I give up. You're officially too stupid for me to interact with any further.

1/12/2010 6:24:03 PM

Quote :

"A time slot is not always a specific time per say."

Yes, it is. That's what "time slot" means. It's a specific slot of time.

Also, it's "per se."

1/12/2010 6:25:30 PM

So if thats true, tell me why it airs at 10:35pm central time.

Ah shit,



haha, admit, I kinda misspoke on that one.

But you get my point. Its pretty much implied that the tonight show airs at a certain time and place, so it didn't need to be mentioned.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 6:33 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2010 6:30:50 PM

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1/12/2010 7:00:56 PM

^i love that!!

added it to my article: http://www.frumpzilla.com/index.php/frumpzilla_site/nbcfail_facepalm/

1/13/2010 12:58:02 AM

ha. check out the woot item today.

http://woot.com/

1/13/2010 1:10:30 AM

after reading this whole thread. I really think Kayak has some sort of deal/infatuation with TMZ. We get it. You dont have to keep talking about the TMZ. NO ONE CARES.

1/13/2010 1:45:30 AM

Opinion: Jay Leno should host a car show (seriously... this could go very well), Conan should get his time back, Fallon can do whatever because no one cares about him.

[Edited on January 13, 2010 at 2:34 AM. Reason : .]

1/13/2010 2:34:15 AM

lol @ Conan last night: "always my dream to host 'The Tonight Show' for seven months."

1/13/2010 10:12:31 AM

I'm watching it right now--I loved Deon Cole's comparison to pimps and hos

1/13/2010 10:31:16 AM

Quote :

"Opinion: Jay Leno should host a car show"

interestingly enough

Quote :

"Jay Leno, who originally turned down offers to host the show, expressed concern over whether or not a show like Top Gear could be successful in America.[6][7] In a column published by The Sunday Times, Leno expresses concern that an American version could lack the critical reviews the British version is known for.[8] The British show is produced for the BBC with public funds while the American show will air on commercial television. Leno believes that the show may have to worry about offending current and potential sponsors by giving their products poor reviews, leading to a compromise in the journalistic integrity and freedom of the original show."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_%28U.S._TV_series%29

1/13/2010 11:05:26 AM

pretty much why carolla's version of Top Gear got canned a couple years ago. Among other things he wasn't allowed to tell it like it is.

But if you enjoy Adam Carolla and Jay Leno, listen to "Adam Carolla's Carcast". new episodes each saturday and Jay Leno is a frequent guest.

1/13/2010 11:10:07 AM

Leno shouldn't host a new car show anyway. It should be a quirkier version of My Classic Car with a less quirky host.

For those who don't know, this is the current host of My Classic Car:

1/13/2010 11:12:32 AM

wow--nice stache

1/13/2010 11:17:40 AM

it's a smut source, but apparently...

Quote :

"Sources close to former 'Tonight Show' host Jay Leno tell me he is furious with the way NBC has treated him and Conan O'Brien and is considering walking away from the entire mess with his head held high. "Now that Conan has made it clear he is leaving the troubled network, Jay is considering doing the same. They have put Jay in a terrible position. It looks like he is the reason that Conan is now without a job. Jay is a great guy and it's not fair that due to NBC's stupidity he looks like the bad guy," a TV insider tells me. "Plus, what happens when Jay does return to the 11:35 slot if his audience doesn't immediately follow? How can he possibly trust the same network that canceled Conan after only seven months?""

http://thesuperficial.com/2010/01/jay_leno_could_bail_on_nbc_too.php

oh, and Jimmy Kimmel weighs in w/ his own spoof..heh

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=9549276

[Edited on January 13, 2010 at 11:42 AM. Reason : ]

1/13/2010 11:34:13 AM

Quote :

"Jay is a great guy"

Haha what a load of shit.

1/13/2010 11:40:25 AM

EVERYONE got good shots in last night. Conan did the entire monologue, two desk bits, and plenty of jokes during both interviews that were all really biting. Letterman did a few monologue bits and then went on a five minute rant about NBC. Kimmel did his Leno impression, and Ferguson kind of thumbed his nose at NBC in his Ferguson-y way. Leno did a single tame joke and left it at that, which is all the indication I need to know that he knows he's at fault and not just a pawn on the same level as Conan.

Should be extra fun to watch the Cone Zone for the next few weeks, because the cuts are just going to get deeper, and NBC's options are to sit and take it and look really bad or to force Conan off the air and look worse.

1/13/2010 12:02:00 PM

it'd be funny if conan, leno, and fallon all walked

does fallon's contract say anything about moving his time slot?

[Edited on January 13, 2010 at 12:24 PM. Reason : they can keep carson daly, that'd be like the final blow]

1/13/2010 12:22:12 PM

My opinion of Leno would change dramatically if he were actually to walk away from it all. No way do I see it happening, though.

1/13/2010 12:48:56 PM

http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/13/conan-obrien-jay-leno-the-tonight-show-nbc-contract-time-period/#comments

Quote :

"Conan O'Brien may have a claim against NBC, but not because the network wanted to move his show to 12:05 AM. We're now told Conan's contract never specified a guaranteed time period. If NBC wanted to run the show at 3:00 AM, Conan would have no recourse. We're told Conan's reps never even asked for a guaranteed time period when they negotiated his contract -- shocking, but true. By contrast, we're told Jay Leno's deal specifically guarantees his 10:00 PM time period, so the network must negotiate a new deal with him before he moves back to 11:35 PM. NBC did guarantee that Conan would host "The Tonight Show," and the network has been willing to make good on that promise. As for Conan's legal position, his claim is a lot more tenuous than first reported to us. We're told Conan is arguing -- given the history of "The Tonight Show" -- there is an "implied" guarantee the show would begin at 11:35. Our sources say Conan's people met with NBC execs yesterday afternoon ... presumably to negotiate a settlement and an out. Some of the high level people who oversee "The Tonight Show" are saying Conan has himself to blame -- at least in part -- for his failure. They say he refused to take notes from his bosses, saying "I do what I do." "

So we are both kinda right.

Like I said, it was "implied" that it was supposed to be 11:35pm

And it looks like there might be a settlement which would make me correct in that he would get paid if he walks.


[Edited on January 13, 2010 at 3:09 PM. Reason : .]

1/13/2010 3:07:36 PM

The pimps and hos analogy last night was pretty much spot on...NBC is just scared to death Jay will go to another network. At this point, however, just letting Jay go is their best option, because thats the only way they come out of this looking remotely good. Theres no guarantee that if Jay went to FOX he would have a hit there anyhow. His audience didnt follow him to 10pm, what makes them think they would follow him to FOX? Jays ratings on The Tonight Show had more to do with the fact that it was The Tonight Show than the fact that Jay was host.

1/13/2010 3:24:40 PM

They should get Leno, Conan, Fallon and Carson and put them in a room and tell them to come up with a solution that suits them all.

1/13/2010 3:26:53 PM

The top executives at Comcast must be, like, "WTF have you idiots--Zucker!--done to late night at NBC?" Why haven't this guy and his team been enthusiastically fired?

1/13/2010 3:28:45 PM

Conan ratcheting up the making fun of NBC bit he always does.

1/13/2010 11:41:06 PM

WOW.

That opening was hilarious.

I look forward to the next few weeks as it keeps getting crazier and crazier.

I seriously wonder what he could do to get fired, and still be in line with his contract.

The bit with Kenneth was pure comedic gold.

[Edited on January 13, 2010 at 11:48 PM. Reason : l]

1/13/2010 11:47:16 PM

i too watched the opening monologue

1/13/2010 11:49:37 PM

Quote :

"They should get Leno, Conan, Fallon and Carson and put them in a room and tell them to come up with a solution that suits them all."

haha for a second i thought you meant carson as in johnny carson, and i was like ummmmm about that...

1/14/2010 12:59:27 AM

Quote :

"As for Conan's legal position, his claim is a lot more tenuous than first reported to us."

In English, this breaks down to "Everything we 'reported' the other day was complete bullshit." Still wanna talk about how reputable TMZ is?

Quote :

"And it looks like there might be a settlement which would make me correct in that he would get paid if he walks."

Look retard, don't backtrack now and start talking about settlements. You said (actually TMZ said it and you went apeshit on anyone that disagreed) that Conan could walk away from his contract at any point for any or no reason at all and still collect $80 million dollars. I (and anyone else with even 1/3 of a functional brain) said that was ridiculous. And guess what? TMZ was wrong. "We're now told Conan's contract never specified a guaranteed time period." Oh what's that, they're saying? Just the same thing that that NY Times article I posted yesterday said. Looks like the score is TMZ:0 NY Times:1

This entire stupid argument started off because I said that if Conan quit and left his contract he would get nothing. And that's still 100% true. If he just up and quits, he would break the contract and forfeit any of the money owed to him. The only money he would get from NBC is whatever spare change he could scoop up from the couch cushions on the way out of the studio.

But here's the thing, he's still contractually obligated to do a show with the name "The Tonight Show". Yes, it could be at 11:35, or 12:05 or 3am (that's if you believe TMZ, I've still read many sources that claimed that 12:05 was as far back as they could push the show) Conan knows that NBC doesn't actually want to push the Tonight Show back to 12:05. They want it at 11:35 and they want Leno back at the helm. The talks about pushing him back to 12:05 was just a bluff, and he's called them out on it. So of course he's going to get paid. But it's not going to be because he walked out on his contract, it's going to be because they bought him out of his contract so they can get TTS name back at 11:35. There's still the other remote possibility that Jay Leno will grow a soul and walk away from NBC and they will have no choice but to beg Conan to stick around, but that's about as likely as you saying something intelligent.

Bottom line is that "3 options" TMZ article you posted was stupid and incorrect (I don't think anyone is even trying to dispute that). YOU are stupid and incorrect (I KNOW nobody is going to dispute that) and you really need to stop trying to make it look like you have a clue what you're talking about.

[Edited on January 14, 2010 at 1:40 AM. Reason : owned v 2.0 bitch]

1/14/2010 1:33:38 AM

Conan walking means he leaves NBC without doing a show at all and gets paid.

It's looking more and more like that is going to happen.

Settlement or not, him walking is him walking.

And when it does, you will be wrong.

Basically the 3 options are still in play.

If somehow he walks with the full $80mil at 20 per year, Fox isn't going to pay him full amount if he comes to them.

In English, this breaks down to "Everything we 'reported' the other day was complete bullshit." Still wanna talk about how reputable TMZ is?



Basically there is going to be a "settlement" for Conan to just leave. And when that happens I will automatically win because you said he would not get paid for leaving.

Even if it is $1, I win.

Just give up, you will not win this argument.

Quote :

"In English, this breaks down to "Everything we 'reported' the other day was complete bullshit." Still wanna talk about how reputable TMZ is? "

Like I said, the main point of the argument is what is "implied" Go read some contract law and get back to me.

It is still possible that NBC is in violation of the contract since the time of TTS is "implied"

More than likely, that will be what they admit to, and settle with him out of court.
So they will admit to being in violation of the contract, and then I will win. Its really not that hard to understand.

[Edited on January 14, 2010 at 1:47 AM. Reason : .]

1/14/2010 1:41:52 AM

Quote :

"Settlement or not, him walking is him walking."

Not according to TMZ which said he could quit for no reason and still collect $80 million.

You can't just base your entire argument around one TMZ article and then somehow claim "victory" when that article is proven to be completely wrong BY TMZ THEMSELVES.

You're wrong, you're an idiot, and really am done. You're too daft to see how bad you are at this whole internet thing.

1/14/2010 1:51:17 AM

They never said they were wrong.

If it turns out that it was implied that it was 1135, then they are in violation and he can STILL walk with the $80mil possibly.

Until its all over,we won't know.

But either way you said he couldn't walk and get paid.

He is going to at least get something.

So when it comes down to it, you will be wrong.

Deal with it kid.


Damm dude, you are 28 and on here arguing with a college kid at 2am in the morning????? Seriously, get a fucking life man.


[Edited on January 14, 2010 at 1:54 AM. Reason : .]

1/14/2010 1:53:14 AM

I read through each post carefully and have determined that KaYaK wins this argument easily. He didn't achieve a knock-out victory, but he landed more punches and dominated overall.


[Edited on January 14, 2010 at 7:14 AM. Reason : s]

1/14/2010 7:07:43 AM

If NBC is responsible for paying the 20 million per year, If I were Conan I would go to fox for a salary of 1 dollar a year and make NBC pick up the rest.

1/14/2010 7:47:13 AM

Quote :

"I read through each post carefully and have determined that KaYaK wins this argument easily. He didn't achieve a knock-out victory, but he landed more punches and dominated overall."

That is some mighty fine troll bait we have right there.

1/14/2010 8:01:10 AM

conan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leno

I never liked Leno that much. Now I fucking hate him.

Quote :

"Damm dude, you are 28 and on here arguing with a college kid at 2am in the morning????? Seriously, get a fucking life man."

Damn dude, you're a college kid and on here arguing with a 28-year-old at 2am in the morning????? Seriously, get a fucking life kid.
(You both have no life. It's okay, though.)

1/14/2010 8:53:53 AM

Finally getting around to watching last night's Tonight Show...Jack McBrayer RULED.

1/14/2010 1:33:38 PM

apparently his final week will be next week and they are trying to book as many big guests as they can

1/14/2010 1:34:14 PM

Wow, lot of cat fights in this thread. Drop it you douchebags, quit sidetracking things.

1/14/2010 4:13:18 PM

Yep...his official last day is Jan 22nd

1/14/2010 4:54:23 PM

in general, but for the next two weeks.

Monologue and McBrayer bit were brutal last night, and then Gervais came on and was happy to be a setup man as much as possible.

Flip over to Letterman, and he rips NBC for five minutes for the second night in a row, then does a Top Ten on Jeff Zucker.

1/14/2010 5:15:34 PM