still no answer.

9/29/2010 12:14:41 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGACsSW4Iqw

9/29/2010 12:15:48 AM

9/29/2010 12:20:41 AM

9/29/2010 12:33:44 AM

I was raised agnostic.

Which is kinda unusual, but on TWW, I suspect it might be normal cause we're all awesome.

Anyway, this one time, there was maybe going to be this snowstorm. And I really didn't want to go to school. So, when I was in the shower, I actually got on my knees and prayed for a snowstorm. I didn't know what I was doing, but I went it for it full on and begged "God" to make it happen. When I stood up, the shower got freezing cold, and I was like, "OMG, IT WORKED. IT'S A SIGN!!!" Then I realized that as I stood up I managed to knock the faucet towards the cold direction.

But it snowed, y'all!

9/29/2010 12:51:27 AM

Prolly trolling but I'll bite.

Quote :

" What if you die and then God appears to you. What would you do if he asked you why didn't you believe? and what if he tells you because you never believed you have to go to hell. What would you do?"

I'd say, "STFU God, You gave me a logical brain and I used it to conclude that you most likely don't exist. If you didn't want me to do that then you should have either a) presented more evidence of yourself or b) made me irrational." And then I'd say " I don't want to be in your stupid heaven anyway, what kind of arrogant prick is going to punish me for not believing in him? All the cool people are prolly in hell anyway, peace out"

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" Now if I die and there isn't a God (which I completely don't believe that) nothing would happen right. my body just rots. What have I lost? nothing."

You lost your only opportunity to create a real meaning for your life.

9/29/2010 1:43:09 AM

I've created a real meaning for my life, and it continues to develop because of God. and plus to you God doesn't exist so why the hell should i try to create a meaningful life, i mean i am born and than i die what's the point of that to begin with? trying to create a meaningful life is meaningless.

If you want to go to knowingly go to hell than that's your choice. I for one though do not wish that upon anyone.

[Edited on September 29, 2010 at 1:56 AM. Reason : but just for entertainment go ahead and define your meaning of a meaningful life. ]

9/29/2010 1:47:49 AM

GoldenGirl's beauty is a miracle

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9/29/2010 1:57:34 AM

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"and plus to you God doesn't exist so why the hell should i try to create a meaningful life, i mean i am born and than i die what's the point of that to begin with? trying to create a meaningful life is meaningless. "

So I should worship some dude because he created me? Didn't your parents do that too? Couldn't you apply the same logic to them and create meaning in your life to honor them? What about the community that raised you, really, they helped to create you. Couldn't you devote your life to honoring them in the same way you would honor a god? Wouldn't it be just as meaningful - since you really wouldn't exist in the form you exist without them? All of these seem like valid opportunities to apply meaning to a finite life.

You're missing the larger point though, that since there is no god, the meaning of my life is my own making. I've got no restrictions, it doesn't matter if my impact is short term, I define the success of my life.

9/29/2010 1:58:57 AM

I honor my mother and father, its also a commandment. So I already do that.

and

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"You're missing the larger point though, that since there is no god, the meaning of my life is my own making. I've got no restrictions, it doesn't matter if my impact is short term, I define the success of my life."

So who are you then to say if I die and there isn't a God. that

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"You lost your only opportunity to create a real meaning for your life."

I am assuming that your previous statement means, each person defines their own impact on life and what this means. So you can't tell me that if I die and God isn't real that i've lead a meaningless life.

[Edited on September 29, 2010 at 2:10 AM. Reason : d]

9/29/2010 2:08:43 AM

But do you eat shrimp?

9/29/2010 2:11:47 AM

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"I am personally sure there is a God. Christians wouldn't be Christians, Jews wouldn't be Jews, Muslims wouldn't be Muslims and so forth if they didn't believe that God exists. "

What about Buddhists? They don't believe in the same God that you do. They have an entire different basis of belief than you do, especially the afterlife. Why don't you take up Buddhism? Simply because more people are Christian?

What about Taoism? What about Shinto (oh, that's right, you have to be Japanese for that one)? What about Hinduism?

You're Christian because your parents are Christian. You can't say that if there wasn't a God that we wouldn't have Abrahamic religions. When you start with that shit, then you've done nothing but enter into circular logic and your argument has become illogical.

Hell, why not believe in Santa Claus? You used to believe in him, right? Your parents told you he existed, they even fabricated proof. But then you got older, and when you saw Santa everywhere around Christmas time and your best friend told you he didn't exist, you stopped believing. What makes believing in God so different? Because someone hasn't come out with hard set proof that he doesn't exist? They wrote a really compelling (not) book about him? Promises that you couldn't even dream to imagine were made to you?

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"You still aren't answering my Hypothetical question. What if you die and then God appears to you. What would you do if he asked you why didn't you believe? and what if he tells you because you never believed you have to go to hell. What would you do?"

But he doesn't exist. I'm not going to define my life and believe in something because a hypothetical situation has been proposed to me that is contrary to my own beliefs. If you do that shit, you might as well believe in EVERYTHING.

What if you drive your car tomorrow, YOU COULD DIE. The chances are very high that you could fuck up or someone else fucks up and you could die. The prospect of you dying is far more plausible then me dying and there being a God. So you should never die. Let a hypothetical situation define you.

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"I've created a real meaning for my life, and it continues to develop because of God."

How have you created real meaning of your life? Your meaning is contingent on the existence of God. Your actions are defined by the premise of his existence. You're not doing something because you simply want to, not if you truly believe in him. This doesn't mean you can't be happy. You don't go to Church (I assume you do, if you are a "good" Christian) because you WANT to. Why get up at 10 AM on a Sunday for a 11 AM service and sit there for at least 1 hour if you don't believe in God? You do it to make him happy. You do it to worship him. Your giving your time, your life, to him. I don't see how that's a "real meaning"ful life.

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"I honor my mother and father, its also a commandment."

I honor my mother and father too, but not because of some stupid commandment. I show them respect because they've done a lot for me. But it's one thing to honor someone, and it's a totally different thing to worship someone. Do you worship your mother and father? Do you sing praises to them? Is your life devoted to them? No. It's not. You do things because of a book. That's where a Christian and an atheist differs in motives. Your motives are derived externally, more specifically, a book. Meanwhile, an atheist's motives are internal. We act moral because it IS the right thing to do, not because we're forced into being moral by the threat of going to hell.

It's hard to take a Christian's charitable actions to heart, simply because they're not motivated from within.

9/29/2010 2:43:01 AM

if god is all-knowing, wise, etc and i meet him when i die. then he shouldn't have to ask me why i didn't believe.

look, i'm not saying there isn't some sort of intelligent design that created the universe and everything in it. maybe there is, maybe there isn't. we don't know and may never know. to say there's a creator that is SO invested in human beings and our tiny little rock in outer space is just WAY too far fetched for me to believe in. in fact, it's plain narcassistic. that's just my opnion.

think about it this way. imagine all the beaches in all the world. imagine how many INDIVIDUAL grains of sand that would be. it's kinda mind-blowing. and then think of earth as ONE of those single grains of sand. that's a rough estimation of earth's ratio to all other stars and planets in the universe. and that's just the VISIBLE universe! now do you think that if there's a god, he created all that and cares about lil ol' us? that's what i mean when i say it's narcissistic.

if all of time was compressed into a 12 month calender, the earth has been around for about 10 seconds and humans have existed for about the last 3 seconds of the 31st day of december.

if you imagine time as a football field, earth has been around long enough to occupy approximately the space of maybe a dime.

so what do you think god was up to for all that time before we came along? fishing maybe?

9/29/2010 3:55:26 AM

I wonder what kind of bait he uses?

9/29/2010 4:13:28 AM

I see god using plain ole worms

9/30/2010 2:26:41 PM

jump in the boat, fish fish

9/30/2010 2:34:37 PM

MAGIC EVERYWHERE IN THIS BITCH

9/30/2010 2:45:11 PM