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4/30/2010 1:59:16 PM

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"These people are assuming that urban pollution would continue at the same rate after further urbanization and forgetting that as density increases the cities will run cleaner and cleaner."

And we already have cities (like New York), where you literally wouldn't be able to jam more people into an area. And you keep saying that cities will run "cleaner and cleaner." There is nothing to substantiate this claim. Efficiency does go up. But eventually the law of diminishing returns will kick in.

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"Also, since you have so much overall efficiency,"

You really have no idea as to what the fuck you are talking about. "Have so much overall efficiency." What the fuck does that even mean?

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"dirty industries would be a lot less needed and could be strategically placed. "

Which "dirty industries?" What is there to substantiate this claim? Because to me, it reeks of bullshit.

4/30/2010 2:10:49 PM

4/30/2010 9:23:10 PM

And now Hannity has jumped on board with the whole "Why did Obama take so long to respond to the oil spill??"

5/3/2010 4:41:01 PM

CNN's main story from earlier today was something like "oil spill creeps closer to the coast" so it hasn't hit land yet.

I posted these in another thread yesterday, but might as well add them here too, since he's gone in person before landfall.







This is what Bush was up too they day Katrina hit land:


Hannity & Limbaugh can want this to be another Katrina as much as they want, but it just isn't. Frankly, I'm surprised that they are emphasizing the need for government response to corporate failure.

5/3/2010 4:58:32 PM

oh great. another press release from the DNC. thanks for that.

5/3/2010 5:06:30 PM

This is Obama’s Katrina is okay from the right is okay, but no its not & here’s evidence isn’t?

5/3/2010 5:08:19 PM

no one cares about the dumb gay things some worthless radio hosts are talking about, and the only thing worse than someone parroting their noise is you copy pasting talking points directly from the opposite side. Its really really awful

5/3/2010 5:18:40 PM

maybe next you should post some rachael maddow so i can want to shoot myself in the fucking face.

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 5:21 PM. Reason : k]

5/3/2010 5:21:38 PM

I mean seriously, here is how this shit goes down:

some jackass makes a dumb comment to get ratings

DNC in all their brilliance decides they must respond no matter what because they have to make sure they stay on message!!! Throw in a little gouge at bush b/c that makes you look better.

original jackass lols, repeats statement, makes more bank

DNC gets even more flustered and sends out more talking points about how jackass is wrong and blah blah blah obama is the best thing ever and remember bush??? he was so bad guys!!!

Meanwhile everyone rational shuts their tvs off and fucking hates all of you.

5/3/2010 5:26:32 PM

^lol

5/3/2010 5:28:19 PM

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"one cares about the dumb gay things some worthless radio hosts are talking about"

Oh if only the rest of the country were as rational and wise as Shaggy here...

5/3/2010 5:43:20 PM

Watching Rachel Maddow makes you want to shoot yourself in the face?

5/3/2010 5:47:19 PM

something else, from a question at the end of page 2

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"But assuming these industries are affected, will BP have to compensate them?"

I don't know what BP's burden will be compared to the company that actually owns (owned) the platform...there is pretty much one huge company that owns a whole bunch of oil platforms...BP was leasing that particular one

So I don't know if BP's contract with the platform company transferred any liability to BP, or if that was factored into the cost

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 6:03 PM. Reason : vI think the last line of the post you quoted says rational people don't care]

5/3/2010 5:48:28 PM

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"original jackass lols, repeats statement, makes more bank"

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"no one cares about the dumb gay things some worthless radio hosts are talking about"

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 6:05 PM. Reason : ^ Rational people aren't the only voters, unfortunately.]

5/3/2010 5:57:09 PM

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"DNC in all their brilliance decides they must respond no matter what because they have to make sure they stay on message!!! Throw in a little gouge at bush b/c that makes you look better."

But when you have people refering to this as "Obama's Katrina," of course you'll get people gouging at Bush. When you have Rush and Hannity, and other right wing commentators helping to perpetuate this as "Obama's Katrina" and then having the audacity to criticize his response time, it's only natural that "a little gouge at bush" will be taken. It's not to "make (them) look better," but rather get the commentators on the right, who praised Bush's response, to shut the fuck up, and make them realize that Bush was more guilty of what they're accusing Obama of.

When the right is going to draw comparison's between the oil spill and Katrina, and label it as "Obama's Katrina," it's only fair that the left ALSO be allowed to compare and contrast the two events.

And while YOU may not care about what Limbaugh or Hannity have to say (just as like myself), there are many people in this country who DO care deeply about what they have to say, and who take what comes out of their mouth to be gospel. I have at least 3 people in my family who watch and listen to these nut jobs.

Unfortunately, they never listen or find out about how wrong, or how stupid, they really sound.

5/3/2010 6:14:26 PM

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"Meanwhile everyone rational shuts their tvs off and fucking hates all of you."

5/3/2010 6:21:58 PM

I mean hell, I even waited several days to make this thread in order to gauge the magnitude and scope of this disaster so it did not seem like a chicken little knee-jerk reaction. Remember, initial stories/estimates had this thing under control and only leaking out small amounts. I guess since I dragged my feet saying something about this that I don't really care about the environment either.

5/3/2010 6:25:30 PM

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"I don't know what BP's burden will be compared to the company that actually owns (owned) the platform"

http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/new-economy/2010/0503/BP-oil-spill-2010-How-much-will-it-cost

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"“BP takes responsibility for responding to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. We will clean it up,” the company said in a statement, adding that it will pay “all necessary and appropriate clean-up costs.” "

The article says it may cost 12.5 billion (I've also read 8 billion) and I think that includes cleanup and litigation. But then this article goes into this:

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"Of course, BP’s a foreign company and we don’t know to what extent there might be some indemnification provided by British government,” says Eisenbeis. “If Britain backs [BP] up because it’s deemed too big to fail, costs may be shouldered by British taxpayers.”"

lol, hows that for a socialism fuck you

5/3/2010 6:38:22 PM

Im not going to read this thread because I hate oil hating hippies and I dont feel like being in a bad mood tonight.

But oil tankers are much more dangerous than rigs.

Hey, if you want to destroy the economy and halt advances in the world then go for it.

When oil becomes financially imprudent then we'll find these "alternatives" that are so much better.


I dont fucking understand you clowns. If I told you to find an alternative to food because I don't like you eating animals then you'd be... oh wait thats right you hippie liberals are already the ones that don't demand free range but claim to save the world.

Keep running your LCD tv's and flying in airplanes while you text how much you hate people watering their lawns instead of flooding their chemicals onto pavement into areas that are so dense the environment can't handle it.

Being a hippie hasn't been cool since they started drug testing at jobs. Without drugs you guys just have bad ideas and you can't even get laid.

At what point do you blame yourself for not being productive enough to make high wages and stop blaming others?

5/3/2010 7:29:57 PM

^ haha, wow… you are an idiot.

5/3/2010 7:34:33 PM

^^ I think you mentioned every liberal stereotype in one post. Well done.

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 7:36 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2010 7:36:30 PM

Stereotypes exist because many people subconsciously identify traits in people they interact with who exhibit odd behaviors and/or propose irrational ideas.

These subconscious lobes move closer to the front of the brain when someone is particularly loud, annoying, and wrong.

When persons reach their natural age of maturity and accept life for what it is rather than live it in a vacuum of ideas while the play warcraft in their parents basement they begin to identify with living with ideals that support the common good.

That in a nutshell is the transition from Democrat to Republican.

If you need to reject a null hypothesis on this post, then try Z-testing the age bracket polls of those young, drug loving, basement dwelling, cell phone with unlimited texting liberals against the working class, retirees, investors, and responsible parents of the country.

5/3/2010 8:11:58 PM

^ Sweeping generalizations make you look pretty ignorant. How about some citations, chief?

5/3/2010 8:14:25 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bp-fought-safety-measures-deepwater-oil-rigs/story?id=10521078
BP Fought Safety Measures at Deepwater Oil Rigs

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""There was a big debate under the Bush administration whether or not to require additional oil drilling safeguards but [federal regulators] decided not to require any additional mandatory safeguards, believing the industry would be motivated to do it themselves," Carl Pope, Chairman of the Sierra Club told ABC News."

^ he has no citations, because pretty much all the research shows that the more intelligent and educated a person is, the more likely they are to lean liberal.

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 8:18 PM. Reason : ]

5/3/2010 8:16:59 PM

Schwarzenegger withdraws support for offshore drilling
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/05/03/BA1Q1D8SRP.DTL

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" Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger today withdrew his support for a plan he championed to allow new offshore oil drilling off Santa Barbara County, citing the disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico."

5/3/2010 8:27:49 PM

what a douche. your mind is going to change because of one incident in an industry that has known risks?

I hate politics. be consistent. I can at least respect consistency.

5/3/2010 8:45:28 PM

^ people can't be swayed by events? consistency precludes the possibility of learning from your mistakes.

5/3/2010 8:49:00 PM

How about the events of the last millenium where oil rigs didn't exactly blow up every day.

You reactionists liberals think because one event occured that you are proven right.

If I posted a thread 365 days a year for the past 20 years about how safe oil rigs were today, how many hits would each thread get? Would it make 4 pages? Would it get me suspended from the website?

I'm not denying this isn't bad. This is terrible. I hope they can clean this up, I hope they can prevent future ones from occuring.

But until you are ready to go back to a pick axe, dying of cholera, and collecting nuts and berries while your wife makes bowls out of clay I hope you can at least consider that oil has made your life exponentially better.

If we didn't make trillions off oil we wouldnt have billions to waste on your stupid alternate energies.

5/3/2010 8:55:36 PM

^^^ a single oil spill though can devastate an entire state. “Just one incident” is saying a LOT, when it results in an “incident” that’s 3x larger than the state of RI. It’s just one event, but that’s all it takes to ruin a fishing/beach based economy. When you see how upset the people of La. and other gulf states are, any politician is going to be hard pressed to argue that it wasn’t a big enough deal. Many peoples’ livelihoods are directly threatened. It’s the most rational perspective for a gov. considering his interests are in his people.

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 9:02 PM. Reason : ]

5/3/2010 8:56:38 PM

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"You reactionists liberals think because one event occured that you are proven right."

The point is that when you're talking about a major ecological catastrophe, it ONLY TAKES ONCE. You don't get a do-over if you fuck up a coastline.

5/3/2010 8:58:48 PM

^ not for many, many years at least.

5/3/2010 9:02:38 PM

ITT Optimum has never heard of subduction

5/3/2010 9:07:13 PM

you sir get hooksaw rolly eyes.

5/3/2010 9:10:35 PM

This oil spill won't cost as many people their livelihood as the government did with this economic implosion they created.

Get back to me when the coastline of New Orleans is more important to the NATION than the future of our entire country.

Dont get me wrong, the oil spill sucks. Just realize this is a tiny blip on the radar that is really more politcally important because of the territories dense black population, the environmentalist loud irrational voices, and the political unpopularity of easily identifiable cause and effects.

No one sheds a tear when millions of Americans lose their jobs due to poor government policies, yet I'm supposed to stop enjoying unprotected sex when someone inevitably loses their fishing operation on nearly uninhabitable coastlands.

You guys won't spend your own money to save the world, but you would have stolen money from a dying man to save Pangea. Get some perspective you do-nothings.

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 9:15 PM. Reason : I hope you at least pay your own wi-fi bill and aren't responding to this post from Starbucks.]

5/3/2010 9:12:59 PM

I love how ITT a former professional poker player who dropped out of school calls other people do-nothings . LOL

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 9:34 PM. Reason : ]

5/3/2010 9:25:58 PM

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"Get some perspective you do-nothings."

I just spent 8 hours today working on IT problems. While I can't speak for others here, you might want to be more careful about how much of an uninformed brush you use to paint other people on a personal level.

5/3/2010 9:26:30 PM

^ especially from someone who gives this out as advice…

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" In all honesty just drink beer. Everyday I wake up that I didnt drink the night before I have a lot of anxiety. "

surely the advice of a winner

5/3/2010 9:34:04 PM

You kids underestimate rally.

5/3/2010 10:31:44 PM

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"livelihood as the government did with this economic implosion they created. "

You mean the implosion Bush created??

5/3/2010 10:48:43 PM

^^ lol

rally overestimates himself.

5/3/2010 11:08:16 PM

He will have another sweeping, generalizing treatise for us soon enough. I will enjoy a good laugh with my morning Chick-Fil-A.

5/3/2010 11:11:06 PM

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"^ people can't be swayed by events? consistency precludes the possibility of learning from your mistakes."

yeah but its not like oil spills have never happened before. the dangers have always been there. its knee-jerk political reaction attention-whoring.

5/3/2010 11:22:40 PM

Is rallydurham the guy from State (perhaps one of many) that won $1.5 million playing poker?

5/3/2010 11:32:10 PM

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"I just spent 8 hours today working on IT problems."

No wonder you're a government lackey. Your job is being outsourced to New Delhi as we speak and there's an entrepreneur on the phone in Bangladesh willing to undercut that operation if given the chance.

Glad you had a comfortable upbringing due to your personal good fortune being born into wealth. I hope you have good transitional work skills so your children can afford the same luxuries you did growing up.

You're at a life crossroads. Either sink into perpetual hell where you depend on the government for sustenance, or embrace the capitalism that has afforded you all of your current luxuries by getting another job.

The choice is yours. Grow up or smoke weed on your couch all day and accept your personal failings.

5/3/2010 11:37:25 PM

^^ no that’s not him

5/4/2010 12:22:25 AM

back on topic - this isn't the first major operations screw-up for BP this decade...it's the 4th. a little history:

texas city refinery explosion, 2005:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Refinery_(BP)

prudhoe bay pipeline leak, 2006:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5780579

and a near-miss disaster with another offshore platform in 2005, thunder horse. or "blunder horse" as it became known:
http://www.dieselduck.ca/images/thunderhorse/index.htm

not all oil majors are terrible operators like BP (Exxon, for instance, has had a great track record since the Valdez), but some companies do have patterns of irresponsible behavior. i'm ok with offshore drilling, but due to the environmental risks involved, we should be very selective as to who we let do the drilling, and the type of punishment when they screw up.

[Edited on May 4, 2010 at 1:01 AM. Reason : .]

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[Edited on May 4, 2010 at 1:04 AM. Reason : one more time..]

5/4/2010 1:01:12 AM

Are people really calling this Obama's Katrina? That is loltastic.

5/4/2010 1:09:03 AM

Not really. It's a narrative Fox News started.

5/4/2010 2:17:35 AM

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"No wonder you're a government lackey. Your job is being outsourced to New Delhi as we speak and there's an entrepreneur on the phone in Bangladesh willing to undercut that operation if given the chance. Glad you had a comfortable upbringing due to your personal good fortune being born into wealth. I hope you have good transitional work skills so your children can afford the same luxuries you did growing up. You're at a life crossroads. Either sink into perpetual hell where you depend on the government for sustenance, or embrace the capitalism that has afforded you all of your current luxuries by getting another job."

If you think any of that is true, then you're straight-up deluded. But it's just fine if you think that, cuz I'm still drawing a paycheck. Thanks mr. Taxpayer!

5/4/2010 6:34:56 AM