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"Barnwell described the protest as peachful."

So there were free peaches? Im ok with blocking the tunnel as long as there is free fruit.

(Not really...stupid protest, and the cops not breaking it up when it obstructed peoples' way to get around campus is beyond ridiculous.)

[Edited on November 4, 2010 at 3:47 PM. Reason : -]

11/4/2010 3:42:22 PM

Haha not a single damn person is reacting reasonably to this shit

11/4/2010 3:43:52 PM

Fuck you.
I owned this thread with rationality.

11/4/2010 3:44:44 PM

This is stupid.

[Edited on November 4, 2010 at 3:52 PM. Reason : .]

11/4/2010 3:51:46 PM

NCSU - world renowned for incredible overreactions about EVERYTHING

11/4/2010 3:57:04 PM

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"NCSUAmerica - world renowned for incredible overreactions about EVERYTHING"

fixed it for ya

11/4/2010 4:00:06 PM

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"NCSU - world renowned for incredible overreactions about EVERYTHING"

What do you expect when we're a university that paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to have a "cultural sensitivity audit" done on our campus

11/4/2010 4:10:00 PM

might i recall the noose incident

11/4/2010 4:13:16 PM

and the shooting

11/4/2010 4:18:40 PM

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"NCSU America The World - world renowned for incredible overreactions about EVERYTHING"

fixed it for ya

11/4/2010 4:29:47 PM

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"NCSUAmerica - world renowned for incredible overreactions about EVERYTHING FUCK YEAH"

fixed again

11/4/2010 4:33:52 PM

^ok that one made me laugh

11/4/2010 4:35:31 PM

Who's to say the black kids didn't paint all that shit just to bring attention to their "cause". Blocking off a free expression tunnel which everyone paid to use is complete bullshit. These mother fuckers have no authority to block off a tunnel my tuition money pays for. I'd be surprised if no one tries to walk through the "blockade" and a brawl starts up. Then NCSU is on the news for hate violence and race riots. Gawd damnit we live in such a pansy nation

11/4/2010 4:38:49 PM

11/4/2010 4:40:41 PM

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"^ok that one made me laugh"

ditto

11/4/2010 4:41:47 PM

^^^ It was over before class started this morning I believe. But I think some shit would have definitely went down if not.

11/4/2010 4:47:29 PM

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"OrgSync message from Deborah Felder Original Message from Dr. Tracey Ray Dear Student Community, Due to recent events on campus involving the Free Expression Tunnel an emergency meeting of the African American Student Advisory Council (AASAC) is scheduled to take place tomorrow/Friday, November 5th at 2:00 PM in the Washington Sankofa Room of the African American Cultural Center (Room 126 Witherspoon Student Center). Elvin James, the Chair of AASAC has opened this meeting to all students. Several University Administrators including myself, will be present. We invite you to attend, listen, participate, share your feedback/suggestions, and ask any questions that you might have. Again, this meeting is open to all NC State students, so please share this information and encourage others to attend as well. AASAC Meeeting Friday, November 5, 2010 2:00 PM Washington Sanfoka Room, African American Cultural Center, (126) Witherspoon Student Center "

11/4/2010 9:10:13 PM

Im so glad Im not at State anymore, this is just stupid.

11/4/2010 9:12:18 PM

The Not-so-Free Expression Tunnel

11/4/2010 9:14:48 PM

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"EMERGENCY AFRO-AMERICAN MEETING"

11/4/2010 9:17:12 PM

11/4/2010 9:19:03 PM

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"Im so glad Im not at State anymore, this is just stupid."

i'm getting to that point, which sucks. this is just embarrassing. i've seen just as bad and worse in that tunnel over the years and guess what? nobody got hurt or killed over it. NCSU: this is a move only a pussy would make.

11/4/2010 9:19:31 PM

Where and when will the meeting be held?

11/4/2010 9:19:32 PM

Dear Student Community, Due to recent events on campus involving the Free Expression Tunnel an emergency meeting of the Caucasian American Student Advisory Council (CASAC) is scheduled to take place tomorrow/Friday, November 5th at 2:00 PM in the Washington Sankofa Room of the Caucasian American Cultural Center (Room 126 Witherspoon Student Center). Elvin James, the Chair of CASAC has opened this meeting to all students. Several University Administrators including myself, will be present. We invite you to attend, listen, participate, share your feedback/suggestions, and ask any questions that you might have. Again, this meeting is open to all NC State students, so please share this information and encourage others to attend as well. CASAC Meeeting Friday, November 5, 2010 2:00 PM Washington Sanfoka Room, Caucasian American Cultural Center, (126) Witherspoon Student Center

11/4/2010 9:22:41 PM

someone go block their door tomorrow.

11/4/2010 9:23:46 PM

^ hahahaha

"OH HELL NAW! YOU SURE AS FUCK AIN'T STEPPIN' OUT OF YOUR HOUSE ONTO THIS WHITE ASS SIDEWALK!!!!1ONE"

11/4/2010 9:25:43 PM

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"Bonds said that graffiti demeaning many different groups is common in the tunnel. "It's free expression, but nobody is walking through, regulating it," she said."

If they were regulating it, it wouldn't be free expression anymore would it? You dumb cunt

11/4/2010 9:51:21 PM

RIP Free Expression 1776-2010

11/4/2010 9:53:40 PM

[Edited on November 4, 2010 at 10:25 PM. Reason : .]

11/4/2010 10:24:13 PM

These black students didn't respond reasonably but you chimps are off the fucking wall

11/4/2010 11:26:31 PM

One of the more stupid things about this whole situation...

The University not only allowed it, but they gave these fucktards a permit to blockade the tunnels

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"i don't think it should be okay for them to "block off" the tunnel, but the permit they obtained through the University said they could do so, so they are."

from page 1

11/4/2010 11:42:30 PM

11/4/2010 11:49:21 PM

pretty much everything is a continuum

it's a "Free Expression" tunnel, but if somebody went there every night and painted the whole tunnel with murals depicting the gassing of Jews at Auschwitz, that obviously wouldn't be cool

it's just a case of where to draw the line

personally, I don't think writing "nigger" crosses the line, but that's the point...there is no line

however, NOBODY has the right to block all traffic through the tunnel...you don't have the right to inconvenience random students just because you're pissed off

11/5/2010 12:04:20 AM

The AASAC decided for the whole school that "nigger" is absolutely crossing the line.

No one else gets a say though.

11/5/2010 12:07:09 AM

but of course, blocking off a public thoroughfare to all traffic was NOT crossing any line

I wish I could draw lines so neatly

11/5/2010 12:11:41 AM

NCSU is the only school I ever went to that had overt acts of racism
UNCA never had anything like this - people just wouldn't have tolerated it
then again UNCA was also #2 on David Duke's list of best colleges for "white folk" because it isn't very racially diverse - but seriously people wouldn't tolerate it there


As far as free speech goes:

You can SAY whatever you want but painting "nigger" on a wall is an anonymous act and doesn't come with the same consequences that speaking the word in public does. I invite these cowards say this in a public forum. I'll provide a microphone.

Also this particular word is linked to a history of violence and seeing it reminds people of those violent acts (lynchings were still happening within many people's parents' lifetime). Free speech does not extend to threats of violence.

11/5/2010 12:23:22 AM

spray painting the word "nigger" is not an act of violence, a threat, or inciting a riot. Outside of those few restrictions free speech is absolutely guaranteed. If you are incapable of dealing with speech you disagree with then you miss the whole point of freedom of speech.

Yes, racism is abhorrent, but damn right the KKK should be allowed to rally, hell yes Louis Farrakhan should be allowed to spew hateful garbage, Jesse Jackson's heimytown comments should be allowed, and some redneck spray painting "nigger" on a wall specifically designated for free expression should be tolerated.

11/5/2010 12:34:27 AM

^^Yup. State has a problem. And I suspect that's part of what these protestors are reacting to. It's not just the words on the wall...it's those words combined with a bizarrely backwards campus climate.

I suspect there was a better way for the protestors to deal with the hateful speech in the Free Expression tunnel, but I honestly don't know what that better way would be. In terms of effecting change, is there anything they can really do? The University has tried to fix this problem for a long time and totally failed.

11/5/2010 12:47:11 AM

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"NCSU is the only school I ever went to that had overt acts of racism"

Oh fucking please, what we have are not overt acts or racism. Spray-painting nigger on a wall is not an abomination to mankind, and it doesn't single us out over any other school, city, neighborhood, wooden desk, public restroom, or internet forum. It's offensive and it's bad but it's not a school-wide problem and both sides are overreacting.

11/5/2010 12:49:48 AM

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"a bizarrely backwards campus climate."

Please elaborate

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"I suspect there was a better way for the protestors to deal with the hateful speech in the Free Expression tunnel, but I honestly don't know what that better way would be"

Don't make a scene about it. Some guy with a spray can writing nigger in the FET is the ultimate troll -- he just wants to piss people off. If you don't get pissed of about it, that guy will probably give up. People buying into this is exactly what he wants. The terrorists have won!

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"In terms of effecting change, is there anything they can really do? The University has tried to fix this problem for a long time and totally failed."

People act like dudes with no prior inclinations towards racist behavior show up on campus freshman year and become cross-burners. Folks who were raised where the majority of State students are raised have a pretty high likelihood of being close-minded dumbfucks. Pretty much anything done by the university in the student's limited time here isn't going to change those attitudes. And I'm talking here about the kind of dumb shit who would spray nigger on a wall, not just Johnny Redneck.

This is of course assuming that the perpetrator was even a student, or white, or anything. State has no more a problem with racism than any other collection of 30,000 people. One guy with a spray can does not equal some racist pandemic.

11/5/2010 12:51:51 AM

^^It's definitely a university problem, and one that other universities do not have.

We protested the gays getting a couple offices to run their organization. We actually protested it and had dudes openly identifying themselves and explaining how they didn't want to pay for some "fag" house to hand out lube all day.

State is pretty bad off.

[Edited on November 5, 2010 at 12:54 AM. Reason : sss]

11/5/2010 12:54:02 AM

hucklebuck

11/5/2010 12:59:10 AM

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"We protested the gays getting a couple offices to run their organization."

A small, vocal minority did

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"We actually protested it and had dudes openly identifying themselves and explaining how they didn't want to pay for some "fag" house to hand out lube all day."

One fucking sophomore Eric Dobbins did

You find me another group of 30,000 people who are completely open to every whim of every minority

It's not going to happen, you're never going to get 100% acceptance. Be happy with what it is now, work hard to make it better; but don't act like every kid on Dan Allen is plotting to blow up GLAAD headquarters

11/5/2010 1:00:52 AM

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"It's definitely a university problem, and one that other universities do not have."

Google tells me that nooses have been found at ECU, UNCC, App, and about a million other colleges and universities around the country

There are dumb fucks everywhere. Don't pretend they represent anything close to the majority.

[Edited on November 5, 2010 at 1:06 AM. Reason : The one at State was toilet paper I mean come on]

11/5/2010 1:05:28 AM

I definitely don't mean that every student at State is backwards or that other universities don't have their problems, but there is something different about our campus climate.

I imagine my perception is influenced by the fact that I took mostly humanities courses...they required a whole lot of discussion about current issues, and people apparently felt free to express their bigotry. The online classes with required participation on message boards were the worst... And the casual conversations I had with people...Oh God... I hated class because of it. It's not just the racism or homophobia or whatever that bothered me...it was the thoroughly entrenched system of values and world views that these kids had...totally resistant to change and ready to get a degree and charge out into the world without having evolved at all. I've changed a lot, and I'm sure my peers did, too, but not on issues like these.

And discussions could never get good! If we had an interesting article to read about the treatment of gay teens in schools or something, we couldn't get to the meat of it cause first we had to let everyone get their religious stuff out and express their disdain for homosexuality.

11/5/2010 1:16:07 AM

^That wasn't their or my point. You are simply wrong to say it's an issue we have that other universities do not. We have a relatively tame "problem" (people who think differently than others, albeit ignorant and square) compared to MANY, MANY other universities. These are PETTY acts compared to what goes down elsewhere. That you think we have an elevated issue over other communities is the point of contention, and I simply don't think that's a fair or accurate statement to make.

11/5/2010 1:21:03 AM

^I'm not gonna ruin the thread by posting pointless anecdotes. We were ranked in a top-25 list of universities that are intolerant to homosexuality. There's a thread about it somewhere. Feel free to look it up and disagree with the methods.

11/5/2010 2:02:22 AM

^I was disagreeing with your blanket statement, not that of a methodical ranking system. However homophobic we may be according to unnamed internet listing, your blanket statement is still what we disagreed with. I'm not saying we don't have a problem, but saying we're the only one with a problem, or that we have the biggest problem, is just plain not true.

[Edited on November 5, 2010 at 2:19 AM. Reason : d]

11/5/2010 2:16:08 AM

I don't know if you're a representative for the University or what. We got a problem, and it is worse than a lot of other campuses--that's why we were ranked higher than other universities.

In the future, I'll be sure to add in a bunch of qualifiers so I can hedge my statements for your approval. Still won't change the overarching point.

[Edited on November 5, 2010 at 2:33 AM. Reason : no need for arrows]

11/5/2010 2:33:06 AM

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11/5/2010 2:57:42 AM