if the OP was it was likely either unrelated to trans identity or a reaction to it, like a father or step-father concerned that his son isn't manly enough and worried he'll become a faggot

11/15/2010 3:37:31 PM

So let me ask you a question that has boggled my mind for a while.

If you are a shemale and like chicks, does that make you gay or straight?

11/15/2010 3:39:04 PM

i bet the OP is an alias

11/15/2010 3:42:37 PM

Admitting to *anyone* that you have gender identity issues is a huge deal even if that person is a therapist. You say that people shouldn't be congratulating her on coming out and then show a complete lack of knowledge about TG people and the transition process.

No one is encouraging her to go "get her dick cut". The entire process begins with psychological therapy from a trained gender dysphoria councilor and usually doesn't progress beyond that point for many months, usually up to an entire year. In some cases this time is shortened if the person has had plenty of experience presenting themselves as the other gender to the outside world (e.g. RachelMarie's friend from Legends). Even then, the process will take months before any further medical action is taken.

Once that happens the individual needs to seek out yet another psychologist as well as a psychiatrist to write letters stating that the person is gender dysphoric and is a good candidate to switch genders. At that point usually the TG in question is referred to a Endocrinologist to start hormone therapy. If they haven't already they start beard removal treatment (which takes years and is often the longest part of transitioning), voice training, and other treatments.

The majority of TGs do not have SRS until about three years after starting this process. It isn't even considered a necessary option by many TGs.. the line can be drawn anywhere. Some people (after seeking therapy) are perfectly happy to simply dress or act in a slightly more feminine way. Some people seek to go through transitioning to the point of SRS and then stop. Some people decide to have SRS. Plus any other point you could think of so that the person's issues are addressed.

No one here is saying Catch 22 shouldn't seek therapy. Infact she won't get very far at all without going through a whole lot of therapy.

// Senior year gender studies term paper

[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 3:50 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2010 3:48:05 PM

I refuse to call anyone with a penis a she.

11/15/2010 3:56:18 PM

I realize Zinnia isn't trans but ze still has an interesting anecdote about hir family life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EdDgM6qWAs#t=03m55s

Also a primer on terms to use or not use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVCcbSRQpPg

http://tinyurl.com/GNPFAQ

11/15/2010 4:03:53 PM

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"i think someone else touched on it on the last page but they got it mostly right. it certainly would be possible to continue living as male and still take up an interest in all the things i want to do. but what would you honestly think about a person like that?"

what would i think of a person like that? well i've met many effeminate men and i don't think any better or worse of them then a "manly" man. i would say that an effeminate man is a lot more "normal" then a transgender woman who is attracted to females. i guess i'm a bit confused and i will concede that i will never understand how you feel but i have to ask, if you have the anatomy of a man and you are attracted to women then what is it that makes you "feel" like a woman? why do you consider yourself a transgender person?

11/15/2010 4:56:35 PM

^plz to read the rest of the thread

the OP feels like a woman inside

not merely "girly" or "effeminate" but like being born with a cock and no boobs was a mistake

11/15/2010 5:04:37 PM

The only mistake would be if he cut his cock off, because he is "confused".

11/15/2010 6:46:16 PM

^^^^I wish there were more teachers like that. I understood everything ve was saying.

11/15/2010 6:52:31 PM

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"but the biggest culprit seems like it might be bisphenol-A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_a its bascially used in like every type plastic manufactured and can do some wonky stuff to other animals in experiments."

No, it isn't even close to being in every plastic. It was only a residual in certain polycarbonates (not PE, PET, PP, etc: all of the numbered plastics 1-6 aren't in the category of PCs) and has been largely eliminated from modern water bottles and baby bottles, etc.

People really need to learn some polymer chemistry and stop freaking out about what really only might have been a very minimal exposure risk.

I honestly don't think it would have "caused" anything in your case.

11/15/2010 6:57:07 PM

"uprooting it" is closer to what SRS is like than "cutting it off"

and it is rather offensive to combine the words "cut" and "off" in the presence of an MTF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjqsB1huDxg#t=07m10s

11/15/2010 7:06:42 PM

CUT OFF THE LIGHT
CUT OFF THE STOVE
CUT OFF THE ALARM
CUT OFF THE TV

11/15/2010 7:08:18 PM

Who give's a fuck what offends them?!? They knew what they were getting into before they chopped their dick off. That's like me cutting off my own legs and then getting mad when people make fun of me for being crippled.

Do whatever the fuck you want with your own body, but don't go around throwing a pity party and demanding others to act a certain way so as not to offend you!

11/15/2010 7:14:37 PM

word

11/15/2010 7:41:07 PM

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"http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,983027,00.html"

That article is from 1995. I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with you and I wouldn't be surprised if it came out (pun intended) that some people were more genetically predisposed than others to be homosexual, but at least provide something more up to date than a TIME article from 15 years ago. :\ It's still a very, very controversial topic in genetics and people are still trying to find testable methods to find any substantial evidence in humans.


As far as feeling like "something isn't right," it's not all about nurture. Nature plays a very big role in it all. For example, there was a case study about two twin boys that were followed from infancy to their teenage years. They were having a normal circumcision performed when something went wrong with one of the twins, and he eventually lost his penis. The parents had to make a choice, so they chose reconstructive surgery and the child was given hormone therapy to look like a girl. Cut to the teen years - the boy was the football star and the girl was a cheerleader... the parents did everything in their power to provide an environment in which to raise a girl. She never felt right, and finally was told she was in fact born as a boy (I believe the girl kept mentioning the confusing thoughts she had, etc). That girl ended up getting reconstructive surgery to turn back to a boy. (There was a paper done on it, if anyone really wants to read about the case I can ask my teacher for the author's name.)

[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 7:41 PM. Reason : from not form.. bah]

11/15/2010 7:41:30 PM

This video also shows that genetics don't play a 100% role, like there's a pair of identical twin men and one is gay and the other is straight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcDXk2JUwQ

also there's a pair of fraternal twin boys, one of whom is gender-normative and the other of whom is gender-variant, and the video fails to mention that the girly-boy is far more likely to turn out trans than gay

[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM. Reason : also there's the older-brother effect, one of the most solid conclusions in the field

11/15/2010 7:58:41 PM

Genetics RARELY plays "a 100% role" in general.

You're more likely to have a situation of multifactorial inheritance (genes + environment) going on than a single gene causing something.

[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 8:02 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2010 8:01:10 PM

Took me about half the video to figure out this guy was intentionally trying to look like a girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUv-_PD3fn4

11/15/2010 8:04:12 PM

11/15/2010 8:17:10 PM

^^Ina Fried is a transwoman and CNET is a super-supportive employer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ina_Fried

Quote :

"During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft."

11/15/2010 8:25:22 PM

k

11/15/2010 8:29:36 PM

lol he makes a terrible pass for a woman

11/15/2010 10:29:23 PM

Quote :

"there was a case study about two twin boys that were followed from infancy to their teenage years. They were having a normal circumcision performed when something went wrong with one of the twins, and he eventually lost his penis. The parents had to make a choice, so they chose reconstructive surgery and the child was given hormone therapy to look like a girl. Cut to the teen years - the boy was the football star and the girl was a cheerleader... the parents did everything in their power to provide an environment in which to raise a girl. She never felt right, and finally was told she was in fact born as a boy (I believe the girl kept mentioning the confusing thoughts she had, etc). That girl ended up getting reconstructive surgery to turn back to a boy. (There was a paper done on it, if anyone really wants to read about the case I can ask my teacher for the author's name.)"

David Rheimer also said in later interviews that the professor that was overseeing their case basically molested them. The guy that lost his penis later killed himself.

11/15/2010 10:35:16 PM

^^indeed she does not pass well

but in the land of epic geekery that's ok

11/15/2010 10:56:58 PM

^2 Eeek I didn't know about the molestation. I forgot about the person killing themselves... Sad story all around.

11/15/2010 11:10:17 PM

ok I actually listened to that podcast I mentioned a while ago and it turns out Translabyrinth merely switched the numbers; actually about 1 in 12000 people who were born male are MTF and 1 in 30000 born female are FTM

also the associated article is enlightening: http://health.howstuffworks.com/sexual-health/sexuality/gender-reassignment.htm/printable

11/15/2010 11:18:42 PM

yeah, pretty sure the other twin died too. terribly tragic. there's a couple of interesting documentaries on them on documentaryheaven

11/15/2010 11:19:06 PM

Yeah I might look up one... there were a few other example the guest speaker (doctor specializing in sex determination) brought up, but I remember that the most. I guess another situation you could look at for nature sometimes out-winning nurture is when kids with a chromosomal make-up show, for example, a girl but the child has such ambiguous genitalia they would give the kid hormone therapy to seem like a boy


In other news, seeing as he was an expert on the sexes I asked him if Jamie Lee Curtis really has Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome... he said he thinks she does, so I feel content on that subject now. I've been searching for answers man

11/15/2010 11:25:04 PM

the twin raised as a boy ended up overdosing on antidepressants in 2002

the other twin shot himself in a grocery-store parking lot in 2004, at age 38: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

11/15/2010 11:28:35 PM

11/15/2010 11:30:03 PM

Quote :

"and it is rather offensive to combine the words "cut" and "off" in the presence of an MTF"

also, I'm starting to find this is true more often than not lately:

Quote :

"I knew before clicking that lewisje would come in and try to take over the thread by sounding as authoritative as possible."

11/15/2010 11:44:06 PM

good luck with your journey to the OP. Hope it helps you feel better.

11/16/2010 6:29:13 AM

^^ lewisje is one of the worst posters on TWW.

between him and geniusboi, methinks it was a huge mistake to let those campusblender freaks join TWW.

11/16/2010 7:43:48 AM

Catch 22 - how long have you been seeing your current shrink. What does he think of your "decision"?

11/16/2010 8:52:52 AM

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"and it is rather offensive to combine the words "cut" and "off" in the presence of an MTF"

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11/16/2010 9:03:03 AM

so I can't tell someone to cut off the lights when I'm near a tranny?

pretentious little bitches if you ask me.

11/16/2010 9:04:21 AM

11/16/2010 9:32:38 AM

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"^plz to read the rest of the thread the OP feels like a woman inside not merely "girly" or "effeminate" but like being born with a cock and no boobs was a mistake"

correction...he feels like a lesbian woman inside = does not compute!!

if that is really the case then he is super FUCKED!! man that sucks!!

Go see a therapist for real!!

11/16/2010 9:38:05 AM

"trans" does not mean "the gayest gay that ever gayed"

11/16/2010 11:35:56 PM

pretty sure "trans" means "straight"

as in, straight up gay.

11/16/2010 11:46:24 PM

11/16/2010 11:51:13 PM

this thread brings the lolz

11/17/2010 12:32:11 AM

So what is your drag name?

11/17/2010 12:41:06 AM

Quote :

"Well, sometimes I get the menstrual cramps real hard. "

11/17/2010 12:43:01 AM

^^^^ and ^ that's more about being intersex

^^^yes it does

^^Drag is more exaggerated and garish, and the OP will probably have a new legal name, not a "drag name"

[Edited on November 17, 2010 at 12:55 AM. Reason : v I actually enjoyed his performance in But I'm a Cheerleader, where he wasn't in drag]

11/17/2010 12:48:26 AM

rupaul is my guiding light

11/17/2010 12:53:42 AM

I feel so sad for these people.

11/17/2010 7:09:20 AM

dont worry, I'm sure they all feel sorry for you too

11/17/2010 7:49:49 AM

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"not merely "girly" or "effeminate" but like being born with a cock and no boobs was a mistake"

Explain this.

Quote :

"Seems like to me, that social gender (not whether you consider yourself a girl or guy, but whether you are feminine or masculine) is completely separate from sexuality and biological sex. Considering yourself to be a "guy" or a "girl" is arbitrary and (except for society) unnecessary. If one is masculine, one shouldn't assume that that has anything to do with identifying as a male. If one is feminine, one shouldn't assume that that has anything to do with identifying as a female. For instance, an effeminate heterosexual male (identifies with feminine things, is effeminate, etc.) shouldn't have to feel that he needs to identify as a female. Why can't he just be an effeminate heterosexual male? (I know that society rejects that, but are we letting society call the shots?) Why would he feel the need to join the [ultimately arbitrary] male-female dichotomy by becoming [closer to] a biological female? (By cutting off his dick.) Why not simply embrace one's actual gender, forgetting all expectations towards its relationship to biological sex? I mean, we have tom-boys, and we don't expect them to be lesbian or to have penises... So why can't we have ladymen? (or something)... who dress like and do girly things, have sex with girls, but keep their dicks? Why would someone need to have different genitalia? (If not for the arbitrary gender role pushed upon them by society)"

11/17/2010 8:10:16 AM