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4/17/2011 10:56:31 PM

lololol

did roddy tell d357r0y3r to make sure he has good insurance before he gets me preggars.


lolwhut?

[Edited on April 18, 2011 at 1:13 PM. Reason : fghfg]

4/18/2011 1:10:45 PM

My and your S.O.'s oh so similar usernames confuse some of TWWs more...challenged users.

4/18/2011 1:34:00 PM

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"I'm not a banker. But good try there. And it's not about greed. It's about keeping what you earn and work for. I've got my own life to worry about. If people took proper care of themselves first like they should, Obamacare would be unnecessary. True story bro."

What's so wrong about having a taxable amount of your income targeted towards those that are unfortunate? I just don't get it, in the long run it is good for the country. It's funny. every time I get into a discussion with conservatives about this topic it pretty much boils down to some BS nonsense that someone (parents or spouse) shoved down their throat.

[Edited on April 23, 2011 at 7:13 AM. Reason : fg]

4/23/2011 7:06:58 AM

Every time I get into a discussion with conservatives liberals about this topic it pretty much boils down to some BS nonsense that someone (parents or spouse, CNN) shoved down their throat.

4/23/2011 8:25:03 AM

i used to be pretty liberal in college.
i started working and i find myself becoming more and more conservative as time goes by.


my mom has a friend who started his own business and is doing really well.
he works 60-70 hour weeks.
he pays about 40% in income tax alone.

its discouraging :/



[Edited on April 23, 2011 at 9:57 AM. Reason : xgffcgfc]

4/23/2011 9:55:51 AM

Quote :

"i used to be pretty liberal conservative in college. i started working and i find myself becoming more and more conservative liberal as time goes by."

Anecdotes all up ITT.

4/23/2011 10:19:04 AM

are you referring to me saying im more conservative now?

because the tax bracket is not really anecdotal....



[Edited on April 23, 2011 at 10:28 AM. Reason : i guess the fact that he works double that of most people is though, my b ]

4/23/2011 10:26:42 AM

Quote :

"I'm not a banker. But good try there. And it's not about greed. It's about keeping what you earn and work for. I've got my own life to worry about. If people took proper care of themselves first like they should, Obamacare would be unnecessary. True story bro."

true story bro? more like, "you're an idiot, bro"

the FACT is that not every single negative health issue is due solely to people not taking "proper care of themselves first like they should"...just like there are folks who live into their 90s and smoked a pack every day of their adult life, you'll find folks who took excellent care of themselves and dropped dead from a heart attack in their 40s

it isn't as simple as you make it, and the outright stupidity that goes into thinking that everyone is equally capable of taking care of themselves by your standards is sad...poor people don't always "deserve" to be poor (in that, they're not all lazy)...it is not through any fault of their own that they cannot easily afford to work in "safe" jobs, get 8+ hours of sleep every night, and eat nothing but fresh fruits and veggies

while i, too, am pissed off at the thought of supporting some fatass who couldn't bring himself to say "no" to his fourth piece of cake, or to the dumbass who decided that it wasn't a good day until he'd broken into his second pack of cigarettes, the FACT is that these people are not the ONLY ones that community-supported health care protect

hell yeah, i'm a socialist...because i'm not so stupid as to believe that "i only look out for me and my own" is best way to manage a society...if you want to live off-grid deep in the woods and make deformed babies with your first cousins, just so you can avoid the man taking a cut of your hard-earned wages, by all means...i'm going to go ahead and acknowledge that it is in the best interest of the society as a whole to be supported by the society as a whole and as such, i'm going to support higher taxes with a proportionally higher level of societal education and general health

also, FWIW, i agree with the OP's point...that's just dumb...i'm not just not so naïve as to believe that just because some aspects are dumb and should be reconsidered and reformed that the whole idea of socialized health care is without its merits

4/23/2011 11:04:21 AM

^^

If you're more conservative, you're more conservative. However, the line about about becoming more conservative with age gets thrown around often enough that it's starting to wear a little thin (not to mention its condescension).

I am curious about how your mom's friend pays 40% income tax when the highest federal rate is 35%. Adding state income tax can get you close to 40%, but that means your mom's friend takes no deductions/credits and does no tax planning.

[Edited on April 23, 2011 at 11:11 AM. Reason : ]

4/23/2011 11:11:18 AM

Quote :

"my mom has a friend who started his own business and is doing really well. he works 60-70 hour weeks. he pays about 40% in income tax alone."

I know people like your friend who pay about 25% in income tax. Your friend could use a tax planner, and if he says he's paying about 40% in income tax he's either miscalculating, misleading, or just doing something wrong.

4/23/2011 11:20:33 AM

yeah, it sounds like they just started a business and pay taxes without deductions

heck, turbotax business will do a decent job of reducing that tax rate (though i'd strongly suggest meeting with a real accountant and tax planner)

4/23/2011 11:22:04 AM

(this is joie)
Wouldn't tax planning be equivalent to avoiding taxes?
I'm not tryin to troll so don't berate me to much, I've said it before and I'll say it again....I m still on the fence with this stuff and could use a little more learnin

It just seems to me that if you are having to plan your taxes....something seems off.
Feel free to prove me wrong,I am not here to argue (although some of you seem to think that)

And I am fully aware the highest tax bracket is 35 percent ( as well works on last dollar earned and not the whole amount) but what he had paid was closer to 38ish percent for whatever reason....maybe he was lying



And also-I was in no way trying to be condescending by saying I find myself more conservative with time-it's just the way I feel. And I don't understand the point of saying it's being used too often....so what? Does how often it's used really matter? It seems like you are insinuating thati don't really feel this way and am saying it because it's popular? (once again not bein mean or trying to troll so don't think I'm attack you or anything)


But I would like to end this post in letting all of you know that I AM NOT set in any ideology...I kinda take it as it comes. And I'm honestly just curious about your thoughts and the fallacies of mine. I'm constantly re evaluating myself and listening to other people ( specifically those who think I'm dumb) is the best way to do it....

4/23/2011 1:23:28 PM

Quote :

"I know people like your friend who pay about 25% in income tax. Your friend could use a tax planner, and if he says he's paying about 40% in income tax he's either miscalculating, misleading, or just doing something wrong."

Do you not see a problem with the fact that the average person has to hire someone just to navigate the tax code? Why is it that I need a certified professional's help if I want to obey the law and keep money that I earned?

[Edited on April 23, 2011 at 1:30 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2011 1:28:35 PM

Quote :

"I know people like your friend who pay about 25% in income tax. Your friend could use a tax planner, and if he says he's paying about 40% in income tax he's either miscalculating, misleading, or just doing something wrong."

He could be factoring in all taxes, like medicare, social security, state taxes, and lumping them together. It’s most likely he’s just miscalculating his tax rate, because this is what people do.

And wanting lower taxes isn’t a “conservative” ideal, i don’t know who is spreading that lie.

Historically, “liberal” presidents lower taxes for more people than conservative.

[Edited on April 23, 2011 at 1:37 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2011 1:31:03 PM

Quote :

"Do you not see a problem with the fact that the average person has to hire someone just to navigate the tax code? Why is it that I need a certified professional's help if I want to obey the law and keep money that I earned?"

Awww woe is me. I have to hire a professional to do my taxes [pouts face, stomps feet].

4/23/2011 2:06:39 PM

healthcare should be free because we need it.

4/23/2011 2:27:41 PM