Look Jaybee1200, don't get too upset with all us ignorant fucks who enjoy living in the burbs....if we all woke up from or dumb boring lives one day and decided to live in the city it would drive the prices up to where you'd probably have to move into the burbs.

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"^^^ off of Capital, near Brentwood, Broadlands"

Also it's hilarious you're citing living near Capital/440 as your experience with the burbs. That area is a fucking wasteland. Hell pretty much the entire stretch of Capital is a wasteland. I don't blame you for hating your life there.

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"I believe there are two types of people. Those that measure their home/area by what they have, and those that measure it by the overall community around them."

I'm no expert in...um...all people...and..uh...how they all think, but I'm pretty sure everyone is concerned with the community around them. Different people just like living in different communities...who knew????

4/15/2011 9:51:48 AM

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"Different people just like living in different communities...who knew????"

no no, that's not it.

people who don't like living in a highly dense, well planned area with a really high cost of living are just boring lemmings who suck. If you don't live in a downtown area, you are a loser.

I'm Jaybee1200 and I'm so awesome because I live downtown in ATLANTA PEOPLE!!!11

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 9:54 AM. Reason : .]

4/15/2011 9:53:37 AM

I LIVE IN A HIGHER STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS JUST BECAUSE I CAN WALK TO OVER 200 BARS. MY LIFE >> YOUR LIFE. YOU SUCK, I RULE. YOU'RE IGNORANT, I'M A GENIUS. YOU'RE BORING, I'M AWESOME.

IN SUMMARY, SUCK MY ASS.

4/15/2011 10:00:06 AM

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"Invite a motorist for a bike ride through your city and you’ll be cycling with an urbanist by the end of the day. Even the most eloquent of lectures about livable cities and sustainable design doesn’t hold a candle to the experience from atop a bicycle saddle. "

4/15/2011 10:07:18 AM

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"boring lemmings"

I quite like this phrase and I am going to start using it

4/15/2011 10:10:30 AM

I grew up in Jersey City, NJ and I now live in North Raleigh.. I'm with Joie on this one.

Doesn't matter where I live.. I JUST LIVE

4/15/2011 10:27:10 AM

NoRal is awesome, that is all

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 10:29 AM. Reason : and by awesome i mean infused with terrible drivers]

4/15/2011 10:28:42 AM

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"What I like the best is I can walk to the many local events downtown, eat at restaurants unique to my environment and have a general sense of variety in my life."

That would be really nice. I walk to Neo Monde and the grocery stores from time-to-time, but that's a minimum of about 2.5 miles round trip (Neo Monde is more like 5.5 miles). It would be nice to have Fresh Market and Flying Biscuit within 2/3 of a mile.

4/15/2011 10:42:43 AM

A discussion on TWW slips to mindless trolling and completely misrepresenting what people actually said, imagine that.

4/15/2011 10:43:33 AM

^ i think you made your points loud and clear, us suburban people suck and you're a higher class of a person because you live in an urban area. we get it

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 10:47 AM. Reason : live]

4/15/2011 10:47:31 AM

I'm with the "house near downtown" crowd. I'm a big fan of being withing walking distance to bars, restaurants, museums, theaters/performance venues, and other interesting/cultural experiences. But while I realize that urban living is great, that dense building is the way it really should be done, and can get down with modern/urban design, when it comes down to it I'm getting older, hope to have a family in a few years, and want a yard and a place to work on my car. House near downtown solves both of those problems nicely (and proves that "house and yard where you can raise a family" and "close to non-cookie-cutter culture" are not mutually exclusive. Plus, houses near downtowns tending to be older, tend to have one hell of a lot more character, plus things like mature trees/landscaping. And I'd definitely take a smaller place over a larger one if it's unique and built to last. The only potential bugaboo is school system--if you have kids, can't afford to send them to private school, and the school zone you're in sucks, now that's a problem.



[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM. Reason : All hypothetical for now, as I currently rent and do not live near downtown. But I'd like to.]

4/15/2011 11:56:39 AM

on a side note...i'm not a fan of the cookie cutter developments that have sprung up in the last 20 years. I live in a 30 year old neighborhood on 3/4 acre lot with tons of old growth trees and i love it. i don't go downtown much. the bar scene is not for me anymore. i leave that to special occasions. on the weekends after working in the yard or some family activity you'll find me grilling out with the neighbors with a cold beverage in hand.

4/15/2011 12:23:13 PM

my stupid and worthless thread is creeping on 5 pages

and without me to stoke the coals

SEE - I had a valid point

4/15/2011 12:37:53 PM

just so everyone knows, and all you conspiracy theorists can calm down, I assure you that builders and/or city planners are not trying to "condition" residents into having the same culture devoid personality by building "cookie cutter" homes. They are trying to build as many houses they can, as cheap and as fast as possible. The only cultural or environmental concerns they have are if there are any restaurants/shops/libraries/schools around which would drive the property value of the homes they build up.

4/15/2011 1:36:44 PM

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"my stupid and worthless thread is creeping on 5 pages and without me to stoke the coals SEE - I had a valid point"

insert

bbq
college degrees
government
etc...

here

4/15/2011 1:57:30 PM

In DC, I used to take 35 minutes to go door-to-door via Metro on my commute. Now I take the bus, which is about 45 min door to door, but I get to read an extra 10 minutes on my Kindle, and it's never as crowded/delayed.

4/15/2011 2:10:11 PM

^^^ haha, who said that?

^^ LoL

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"i don't go downtown much. the bar scene is not for me anymore"

there's a LOT more to a good urban area than "the bar scene"


[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM. Reason : d]

4/15/2011 2:24:11 PM

I've lived in urban, suburban, and rural settings. I'm weird because I love the urban and rural but really dislike the suburban.

I don't get why some people think you can't raise kids in an urban condo. People do this ALL THE TIME. When you live within walking distance of parks, museums, libraries, playgrounds, etc you have tons of resources for your children just outside your door. It's about learning to use your inside space efficiently. Do you really NEED a bonus room filled with toys and junk? Maybe it's just because I grew up with parents that are pack rats but the thought of junk collecting in my house makes my blood pressure rise. For me a smaller space means I'm less likely to accumulate stuff. I know some people think it's crazy that I want 2 kids and no more than 1500 sqft but I gave plenty of friends with even less space than that with kids and have plenty of space.
http://www.apartmenttherapy.com and http://www.ohdeedoh.com often have cool ideas for making a kid-friendly small home.

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 2:40 PM. Reason : :S]

4/15/2011 2:31:35 PM

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"I don't get why done people think you can't raise kids in an urban condo. People do this ALL THE TIME."

Nobody said that...no need for the caps. They said for them they would prefer to raise their kids in a house in the burbs. They didn't hate on people who wanted to raise their kids in condos (as opposed to some of the condo/urban dwellers in this thread)

4/15/2011 2:34:24 PM

Actually, several said that or something almost identical "oh silly hipsters! Wait until you have kids! Then you will see why you are wrong!"

^^ I agree

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 2:40 PM. Reason : F]

4/15/2011 2:39:57 PM

several? try one. and it was obviously a troll, and not serious. as opposed to everyone else who took more of a 'for me' tack

4/15/2011 2:40:27 PM

Sorry. Was also including the "oh your priorities will change as you get older, downtown is only for clubs and bars not raising kids" in the talley

4/15/2011 2:46:09 PM

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"The only potential bugaboo is school system--if you have kids, can't afford to send them to private school, and the school zone you're in sucks, now that's a problem."

In Wake most of the schools kids get sent to downtown are well-rated magnets or schools like Broughton. Of course the current board is trying their hardest to change that but for now there's a good chance your kid would get to go to a magnet without applying

4/15/2011 2:46:38 PM

synapse, while very funny, is the troll in this thread

grossly (intentionally) misstating Jaybee1200's position

4/15/2011 2:50:11 PM

4/15/2011 2:52:32 PM

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"Sorry. Was also including the "oh your priorities will change as you get older, downtown is only for clubs and bars not raising kids" in the talley"

Yeah I don't really don't any posters ITT speaking for all people like you are ("you're either with me or ignorant" and yeah that's pretty much a direct quote).

The only thing that fits that is:

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"What a silly premise. Priorities change as your life changes. A nice house in a quiet neighborhood is exactly what I eventually want and I don't see how North Raleigh is a bad place for that..."

But he was obviously speaking for himself there...

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"grossly (intentionally) misstating Jaybee1200's position"

no way man. he's saying one side is right and one is wrong. one set of people are stupid and the other set of people are enlightened. instead of acknowledging, like most other posters in the thread, that different people desire different lives. if anyone is the troll it's him

ALL PEOPLE WHO DRIVE CARS ARE STUPID. WHY DRIVE A CAR WHEN YOU CAN DRIVE A TRUCK AND CARRY A BUNCH AT THE SAME TIME?

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 3:08 PM. Reason : DUR]

4/15/2011 3:02:35 PM

Actually I said that several times... Said people have the right to live wherever they want, said it numerous times... My point was many people are ignorant about the choices they make, they don't consider all factors, all they look at is "big bonus room, big yard" and don't think about how being able to have those things can impact the rest of their life.

4/15/2011 3:08:38 PM

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" all they look at is "big bonus room, big yard" and don't think about how being able to have those things can impact the rest of their life."

So wait how exactly did you gain the power of mind reading?

And do you plan to use said power for good, evil, or just hating on burbanites?

4/15/2011 3:11:55 PM

Its not mind reading... There are countless studies, figures, growth patern data, preference surveys, our current shitty state of traffic in most cities, lack of transportation options, lack of housing options if you are poor and don't want to live in the burbs etc. I don't just spout random shit, as I said my career is urban planning and transportation engineering. Thankfully the tide has turned the last decade or so and we are slowly moving to where people can actually have options as to where they want to live.

Speaking of work, got to run. Trust me, if you actually care one way or the other and aren't just trolling, read Suburban Nation and The Death and Life of Great American Cities.

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 3:24 PM. Reason : D]

4/15/2011 3:21:19 PM

can someone give me some info on these condos near cameron village everyone is talking about? i'm looking for a 1 bedroom place that is in walking distance to stuff, i'm even ok with studios.

4/15/2011 5:42:10 PM

Bellwood Condominims were the ones I lived in... Back in the day they ran about $145-180k for a two bedrooms. Built in the 40s. Mine as literally 200 feet from CV library and Fresh Market. Schndlersfist on here lives there too

4/15/2011 5:58:44 PM

People hating on North Raleigh ITT don't know what they're talking about. Obviously it's not going to have the most happening bars in town because it's a bunch of suburbs and middle class families. NC State and downtown Raleigh provide that service. Yes, there is a crowd of older people that frequent hole in the walls such as the Bull and Bear, Duffy's, etc. daily but you get that in almost any community because not everyone is so fortunate to have direction and the opportunities to achieve what we, as NC State students and alumni, are capable of achieving.

I grew up in North Raleigh and I think it's a great place to live. I don't live there now, nor do I want to, but some day I wouldn't mind it if I had a family and wanted to settle my life down a bit. North Raleigh has some of the best restaurants in town (Margaux's, Vinnies, North Hills, etc.), it's close to Falls Lake for weekend fishing and boating, and there are lots of nice (and not so nice) strip malls with good shopping - not to mention Crabtree. People move to North Raleigh to get bigger houses for less money than downtown and because of the proximity to good schools.

Call it a "snooze fest" all you want, but North Raleigh was not, is not, and never will be intended to be downtown version 2.0. and despite what you may think there are fun bars with young people there (Fox and Hound, Rudinos rooftop, Lynwood Grill, Sawmill/Falls/Leesville Taproom, etc.).

South, East, and parts of West Raleigh (i.e. near State) are the poorest, shittiest parts of town. Go spend some time East of Capital Blvd or down off of Poole rd. if you want to see for yourself.

4/15/2011 6:07:10 PM

i HATE north raleigh

and i know what i am talking about. lived in the same house all my life. well not really but my parents have lived there for my entire life. and i live there now after not living there for 9 years.

but yea. it sucks. it is definitely a suburban hellhole and i hate it

my approx location: 540 and six forks

cept not at the moment so don't try to come rape me. i spend as little time there as possible.

p.s. vinnies and cafe tiramisu are really yummy, though

so is wildflour pizza

anyways, without reading the thread because i'm pretty sure i know what both sides have to say, i guess i can maybe see why living in the suburbs would be enticing for some. though i tend to sometimes be a little elitist and think suburb lovers are kind of a little bit simple. i mean, doesn't mean they aren't smart and well educated. but just like a simple lifestyle. i can NEVER see myself, even if i have kids, living in the burbs. it is just not my thing at all. it makes me anxious to even think about it.

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 8:48 PM. Reason : .]

4/15/2011 8:42:58 PM

Cooking is hard.

4/15/2011 9:10:17 PM

and thats why kadwackal is my homie4L

and once again, my theory of two different types of people. One has to be surrounded by unique things and places to be happy, and the other is happy if their private items and materials are bigger and nicer, more private etc. and could care less what is around their domain as long as it isnt anything explicitly "bad"

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 9:16 PM. Reason : d]

4/15/2011 9:12:20 PM

^^^

hmm, maybe if you get a job...

[Edited on April 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM. Reason : .]

4/15/2011 9:13:18 PM

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"and once again, my theory of two different types of people. One has to be surrounded by unique things and places to be happy, and the other is happy if their private items and materials are bigger and nicer, more private etc. and could care less what is around their domain as long as it isnt anything explicitly "bad" "

i think you're trying way too hard to put people into your 2 groups. its not always going to be urban / small / exciting vs suburban / gigantic / boring, in the real world people and their families will need to make a realistic compromise - we can't all be rockstars living in a sweet condo in the city

4/16/2011 12:12:34 AM

You make it sound like its out of their control, like they have no choice.

4/16/2011 12:20:23 AM

Yeah it is very stupid to try to categorize people into one of those two categories.

4/16/2011 12:21:08 AM

obviously its not literally where every single person is one or the other... its just a trend I have noticed talking to other people at work, out at places etc. They will talk about stuff in and part of their house, and it will sound all cool, then they will tell me where they live and in my head I am like "oh... so you have to drive 10 minutes to get a gallon of milk? and your dining options, that you also have to drive to, are Olive Garden and Applebees... hmmm, the 3 garage for your 2 car family is pretty spiffy buttttt I would rather live elsewhere and get by without a garage" Or likewise, I will say something I did one weekend and they will just stare at me like I'm insane. "there was this awesome art show last week, they shutdown Peachtree and had galleries set up in the street, it was some good shit"

Or they will spend the entire weekend and never leave their house where i am hardly ever at home on the weekend, always out doing something

And once again, before synapse makes up what I supposedly said, I am just pointing out that they are different, not that one is necessarily better than the other.


[Edited on April 16, 2011 at 12:39 AM. Reason : e]

4/16/2011 12:25:14 AM

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"^^^ hmm, maybe if you get a job..."

i have no idea why this was even directed at me.

if you care to elaborate, i will be here to listen.

<3 jaybee.

i also <3 the hypothetical real world. if everything isn't exactly as it is "supposed" to be, we bring in the REAL WORLD. in the REAL WORLD we do it this way. where the fuck is the real world. i would like to know. can i get there by plane??

you can raise kids in a city. you can raise kids in the country. you can raise kids in the suburbs. no, we can't all be rockstars living in a sweet condo. but we can make our own lifestyle choices and create something that works for our own individual wants and needs.

this statement is kind of key for me:

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"in the real world people and their families will need to make a realistic compromise - we can't all be rockstars living in a sweet condo in the city"

maybe not everyone wants 1.2 kids...or whatever the number is...and a golden retriever and a big house with lots of breakable things where they get to spend 0 time because they are always working to pay for it all. i mean...if you know what you like and where you want to be, you can make it work for you whether you have kids or not. there's no checklist for life. job. car. engagement. marriage. move to the suburbs. make babies. take your shoes off before you come inside. drive the carpool. go to church. but not because you care about church or religion, but because you need everyone to see you there so that they know you are a respectable member of society.

i know some people judge their lives based on these things and whether they are meeting all the "milestones" or whatever. that is fine. but not everyone wants to be fit into whatever mold society has deemed appropriate. i'm sorry IF i choose to have kids and IF they have to grow up in an urban setting...it is like jaybee said, one isn't better than the other - it is just different people having different preferences and priorities.

its not like people are living in a fantasy land if they want the culture and excitement and business of an urban setting AND a family. you don't necessarily have to choose one or the other. but some people do, and it is FINE. i mean, this is the real world. i'm always confused as to what people are referring to when they say "in the real world." its definitely condescending. so families in suburbia are better than city families? because they give their kids a cookie cutter house and some grass with a tree? and everyone has the same mailbox because you are totally NOT allowed to have different mailboxes (important HOA shit). and why are the only people that exist in the real world the ones that are married or have kids. if you aren't married or don't have kids you aren't a real person with real responsibilities? its kindof what it seems like sometimes.

4/16/2011 2:38:26 AM

I think I just came

4/16/2011 2:42:51 AM

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"and your dining options, that you also have to drive to, are Olive Garden and Applebees... "

Yeah that's right there are no dining options in North Raleigh other than stupid chains that litter shithole places like Capital Boulevard. Once again, just because you lived adjacent to that fucking wasteland of a road does not mean all of suburbia is like that. I still can't believe you compared the 440/Capital area to North Raleigh proper.

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"They will talk about stuff in and part of their house, and it will sound all cool, then they will tell me where they live and in my head I am like "oh... so you have to drive 10 minutes to get a gallon of milk? and your dining options, that you also have to drive to, are Olive Garden and Applebees... ...Or they will spend the entire weekend and never leave their house where i am hardly ever at home on the weekend, always out doing something"

Look either you hang out with really boring people, or like everyone else in this thread is saying you're trying too hard to force people into two groups, or, most probably, both. All suburbanites sit on their fat asses all weekend in their huge houses, except for the occasional trip to the Olive Garden. All urbanites are enlightened and go to art shows, concerts and posh restaurants all weekend. Whatever. It's not all black and white dude. There is middle ground. Here, educate yourself on what you're going: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma. I live in the boring ass sprawl-hole known as North Raleigh and easily walk (I wouldn't recommend that where you used to live) to two different grocery stores, 3-4 bars and more restaurants than I care to count. I know it's not 200 but hey, I'm just an ignorant fatass with no appreciation for culture or quality food so it's good enough for me.

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"you can raise kids in a city"

Yeah nobody is really saying otherwise kadwackle. That's just a strawman in an endless stream of strawmans in this thread. There is no right or wrong place to raise kids, there are only right and wrong places for each individual person.

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"but we can make our own lifestyle choices and create something that works for our own individual wants and needs."

No we can't. If we decide to live in the burbs we're boring uncultured ignorant fatasses who have 45 minute commutes, 10 minute trips to get milk, fucked up HOAs and a fondness for shitty chain food.

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"maybe not everyone wants 1.2 kids...or whatever the number is...and a golden retriever and a big house with lots of breakable things where they get to spend 0 time because they are always working to pay for it all. i mean...if you know what you like and where you want to be, you can make it work for you whether you have kids or not. there's no checklist for life. job. car. engagement. marriage. move to the suburbs. make babies. take your shoes off before you come inside. drive the carpool. go to church. but not because you care about church or religion, but because you need everyone to see you there so that they know you are a respectable member of society..."

Hahaha there is no way this was a sober post, especially given the timestamp (and the content)
[Edited on April 16, 2011 at 11:29 AM. Reason : HOLY SHIT I'M IN HICKORY FOR HOPS FEST! HOWEVER DID I BREAK FREE OF MY NORTH RALEIGH CHAINS?????????]

4/16/2011 11:00:43 AM

synapse tried so hard
and got so far

4/16/2011 11:02:33 AM

I think North Raleigh sucks, but I also think the entire city is pretty lame when you compare it with other regions of the country. But I also think it's hilarious that Jaybee acts like living in Midtown ATLANTA- a trashy, sprawling, dumpy SE city that's best known for crunk music and traffic- makes him this elite urban socialite and an authority on city planning. Atlanta is not fucking Manhattan, so quit acting like you're blessed by God to live in a fucking condo near Piedmont Park- you're not that special...

[Edited on April 16, 2011 at 11:26 AM. Reason : asdf]

4/16/2011 11:26:06 AM

i hate city-goers.

this thread reinforces that opinion.

4/16/2011 11:31:13 AM

The part of Atlanta you are referring to is the part I chose not to live in... Midtown is the densest area in the SE so nice try. Does Atlanta have sprawl? Of course. That's why you avoid that part unless you are clueless about the city which you obviously are if you think it's all sprawl/crunk

4/16/2011 11:36:44 AM

I get that Midtown is the densest part of the city, I've been there before and it's probably the only redeeming part of the city. My point is that the entire city of Atlanta isn't this great mecca of culture you make it out to be. The whole city is a disjointed mess and it's a bitch to get around.

4/16/2011 11:49:23 AM

Jaybee1200

Is planning a vacation centered around visiting professional sports' Hall of Fames...take his preferences with a grain of salt.


That being said...I understand both point of views. What I don't understand is why people are getting butthurt over other people's opinions on where they want to fucking live and acting like their's is superior.

If you can't understand someone's desire to live in a city and the advantages and opportunities that it bring...they are fucking retarded. If you can't understand someone wanting to slow down their life a little bit, move out to the burbs, and have a bit more relaxed living situation (maybe with kids/family, maybe not...doesn't really matter)...then you are fucking retarded.

I feel like I've got the best of both worlds. I found a single family/two story/two porch/nice little yard house in a downtown city. I LOVE living downtown within walking/biking distance of so many things to do. You can't find that convenience in the burbs...and it's priceless However...I need a yard. I want a dog, a garden, and I play yard games, drink, and grill out with my friends on the constant. I'll never live in an apartment/condo again. I don't like hearing what people are doing through my walls. I don't like taking elevators and/or stairs to get to my place. I'm lucky in that I really didn't have to compromise with either preference that much. But if I was FORCED to pick one of the two...I would pick the burbs for the reasons I listed above. There are nice things to do around the suburbs as far as going out and having a good time...and if you want to go downtown, then take a bus/train/taxi and cab it back at the end of the night.

That's all.

4/16/2011 11:51:32 AM

It's a road trip. Not a vacation. The whole point is seeing stuff as you drive, including the HOFs. It's an easy concept really

4/16/2011 11:54:44 AM