http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXdYHzdIeY

10/18/2011 10:25:12 PM

For page 4

https://www.facebook.com/SupportRayon

10/18/2011 10:41:37 PM

^ 919 like this.

Coincidence? I think not.

[Edited on October 18, 2011 at 10:51 PM. Reason : not anymore.... coincidence over.]

10/18/2011 10:45:05 PM

Either way I'm sure the taxpayer will be footing the medical bills for the two. Along with his legal fees.

Expect a lawsuit against McD's for multimillion dollarbucks soon too.

10/18/2011 10:48:45 PM

Lawsuit for what though?

Quote :

"If you get killed... and you get killed by a tiger... and you get killed by a tiger in a zoo...and you get killed by a tiger in a zoo in San Fransisco...then God's wil has been done!"

10/18/2011 10:54:47 PM

I'd expect something along the lines of McD's hiring "dangerous" employees or having an environment condusive to this type of behavior. Some bullshit that will make McD's have responsibility in this matter. Not that I believe this bs, but I know how lawyers think.

10/18/2011 10:58:11 PM

They really should have listened to this song before poppin shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNSMtLjnLlY

10/19/2011 1:45:27 AM

Don't start no shit won't be no shit.

10/19/2011 9:06:16 AM

10/19/2011 9:13:46 AM

Apparently the cashier with the rod was an ex convict for killing someone when he was like 17.

srsly, not the kind of person you should mess with. But he didn't do anything until someone else got aggressive. Doesn't really make mcdonalds feel less safe, just don't start nothing.

10/19/2011 9:14:19 AM

video makes it look like he went beyond what was required for self defense.

i'm all for those ladies getting what they deserve, but i can't support him taking it past the point of self defense just because i dont like the ladies or what they did.

10/19/2011 11:36:16 AM

i fucking told y'all
he took it too far

10/19/2011 11:45:20 AM

probably has PTSD after prison if nothing else

10/19/2011 11:47:23 AM

It sucks, but...

Quote :

"video makes it look like he went beyond what was required for self defense. i'm all for those ladies getting what they deserve, but i can't support him taking it past the point of self defense just because i dont like the ladies or what they did. "

10/19/2011 11:47:50 AM

It would be interesting to see how this is argued in court. Other people were obviously, at some point, trying to get him to restrain himself, but we also don't see what's happening behind the counter. It's possible that they were moving, trying to get up, and appeared threatening in some way. It would not be an easy defense, but I imagine it will be argued.

Plus, in a jury trial, there's no telling. There never is. They could see him as a hero just like the public and much of the media has. It only takes one.

Quote :

"probably has PTSD after prison if nothing else"

most ironic defense evar.

10/19/2011 11:58:07 AM

Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me I didn't ask you, and I did what I had to do to win, but somebody wouldn't let us win! Then I come back to the world, and I see all those maggots at the airport McDonalds, protestin' me, spittin', callin' me a baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me?! Huh?! Who are they?! Unless they been me and been there and know what the hell they yellin' about!

10/19/2011 12:15:15 PM

so hypothetically if someone were there who had a conceal & carry license would he get in trouble for shooting that mother fucker?


(or at least firing off a warning shot?)

10/19/2011 12:19:43 PM

I don't think you can concealed carry in NYC.

If the same thing happened in NC you would be charged with manslaughter. If Person A (the two girls) instigates the fight and Person B escalates it (the guy with the rod) you will be charged with manslaughter if you shoot Person B to stop him from doing further injury or killing Person A.

[Edited on October 19, 2011 at 12:53 PM. Reason : s]

10/19/2011 12:50:59 PM

cool

(i don't have mine i was just wondering if there was a person c with a gun what could they do?)

10/19/2011 12:53:12 PM

Quote :

"The McDonald's on West Third Street is the same location where another customer was beaten after getting into a fight with two men who allegedly called him homophobic names. Police released a video of the attack on Damien Furtch, 26, who was pummeled on West Third Street and Sixth Avenue in March. A homeless man was arrested in connection with the attack. Read more: http://www.dnainfo.com/20111017/greenwich-village-soho/greenwich-village-mcdonalds-touble-hotstop-before-workers-attack#ixzz1bFRABlKG"

Sounds like a great area.

10/19/2011 1:00:11 PM

First off you can't fire a warning shot (if you take out your gun other than to shoot someone, you will be charged). You might also be charged for intervening, but it is something that you will more than likely be exonerated on- there will be a lot of legal tape but a competent lawyer could make a great defense.

10/19/2011 1:04:24 PM

Quote :

"MANHATTAN — Management of the Greenwich Village McDonald's where a worker beat two female customers who jumped over the counter early Thursday chose not to hire off-duty NYPD officers to patrol the restaurant, police sources said. "This particular McDonald's was approached in the past about hiring uniformed, off-duty NYPD security because of the frequent problems there," a police source said. "They apparently decided it wasn't in their financial interest." Read more: http://www.dnainfo.com/20111017/greenwich-village-soho/village-mcdonalds-declined-offduty-nypd-security-sources-say#ixzz1bFTpo59T"

10/19/2011 1:10:33 PM

How did guns get into this?

only a fool trusts his life to a weapon

10/19/2011 1:11:04 PM

^ Just stating how it works here since sumfoo1 asked.

You have to be very careful before defending another person. Even though they may be in grave danger you can go to jail if it can be proven that they instigated the incident that put them in that danger.

[Edited on October 19, 2011 at 2:16 PM. Reason : s]

10/19/2011 2:16:02 PM

OK i know in many city limits its illegal to even fire a weapon, if you had rnd 1 as a blank is that still illegal to fire a warning shot?

10/19/2011 2:19:55 PM

Plaxico Burress fired one round inside a club in NYC, accidentally, only hurting himself

he plead guilty to a lesser charge, and served almost 2 years

NYC handgun laws are strict as shit

10/19/2011 2:22:43 PM

^^ even pulling out your gun and saying you could shoot can be considered threatening. The way the law goes you can only take out your gun to use it. Granted if it went in front of a jury, it would more than likely be dropped, but as it is now, it would be considered brandishing a weapon

10/19/2011 4:28:51 PM

Best thread title of 2011.

10/19/2011 4:32:57 PM

All of this bystander with a gun shooting blanks warning shot nonsense is just asinine. If you pull a firearm you had better be ready to use it to end a life and you have significantly escalated the situation. Unless your life is being directly threatened you will most likely get some kind of charges thrown at you.

[Edited on October 19, 2011 at 4:52 PM. Reason : ]

10/19/2011 4:51:38 PM

10/19/2011 8:09:42 PM

Quote :

"OK i know in many city limits its illegal to even fire a weapon, if you had rnd 1 as a blank is that still illegal to fire a warning shot?"

I believe in North Carolina and probably most other places, if you discharge your weapon for any reason it's considered use of deadly force. Even if you deliberately fire into the ground according to the law you are using deadly force, so you better have a damn good reason for what you did.

10/19/2011 8:32:36 PM

no, you cannot fire a warning shot, blank or not. you'd be charged with discharge of a firearm within city limits (or whatever they call it) at the minimum. the only exception is in the course of self defense (and that depends on city/state law; no city in nc prohibits discharging a firearm for self defense).

as for this particular case, as a third party, you could very likely be charged for coming to the defense of this man. i sure as heck wouldn't pull my firearm to defend him. the laws surrounding this are open to interpretation and a bit mucky.

safest thing to do is never defend a 3rd party... unless:

- it is family
- you know ALL of the details leading up to the situation (highly unlikely)
- you reasonably believe the attacker is intent on death or serious bodily injury
- deadly force is the only force capable of stopping the threat.

let's say you have a son, who earlier in the day was experiencing road rage and flipped off/cursed at another driver, etc. then you and your son meet at mcdonald's, a few minutes after the incident. while you're in the bathroom, the victim of the road rage comes in, you walk out of the bathroom, see the person start attacking your son, you pull your weapon and fire at the person.

it's your family and all you saw was some stranger come up to your son and start beating him. theoretically, you could be charged since you fired upon the original victim and your son was the instigator (legally, you cannot defend the instigator).


[Edited on October 19, 2011 at 8:44 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2011 8:35:53 PM

Quote :

"Just got off the phone with a close family memember of Rayons. He will be out today or tomorrow. His lawyer has been retained,but I have been asked not to realease who is lawyer is until tomorrow. ( I have to respect the family) Rayon as of right now caught a break on some things financially. 3900 and a house put up for collaterall and 7500 just to reatin attorney. So that is a debt of 11,400 dollars. Now the attorney fees will continue to rise as this drags on. I have been told Rayon will call me when he gets out. I will report back to you what he tells me. The defense fund will be set up soon. Stay on point people Rayon is the Rosa Parks for people supporting self defense. Rayon is getting out. Rayon is getting out. I am so pumped up for the VICTIM HERE. Like I said I better not see him,because I might hug him so hard that I would kill him. Man evey one that has done something,via emails phone calls etc. that is great. One paper is starting to turn around and slowly write positive articles on the situation."

10/19/2011 8:38:07 PM

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh68OG8h7382hIym3h

Round 2
FIGHTTTTTTT!!!

Is "beat people with a metal pole" in the McDonalds Employee handbook or something?

[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 3:11 PM. Reason : l]

11/8/2011 3:11:09 PM

If you cant take the heat, get yo ass out the kitchen!

11/8/2011 3:14:51 PM

the way i feel about watching youtubes of retards fighting in fast food joints is probably how the romans felt watching the christans fight in the colosseum.

high.

fucking.

entertainment.

that i want to have no part in.

11/8/2011 3:15:24 PM

Quote :

"http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh68OG8h7382hIym3h Round 2 FIGHTTTTTTT!!! Is "beat people with a metal pole" in the McDonalds Employee handbook or something?"

"hey, you have a big metal pole, I think I'll punch you"

The response was equally stupid. This was just plain 2-party stupidity.

11/8/2011 3:24:26 PM

if the guy had stopped swinging when he had them on the ground, he would get out of this PRACTICALLY scott free. The only thing his defense would have to be would be, "They were wearing baggy clothing, it was in my belief that they could have had a weapon that would have fatally harmed me, so i protected my life and my co-workers life to the best of my ability."

HOWEVER.......since he continued to beat the ever living shiat out of them, that defense gets blown out the window and his charges will probably stand.

11/8/2011 3:25:17 PM

What? Once they were down, he only hit them when they tried to get back up.

11/8/2011 3:40:24 PM

first view, I thought the women who were on the ground were the ones yelling "stawwp"... only until I noticed it was some annoying white woman...

11/8/2011 4:04:37 PM

haha, this new guy wasn't near as skilled at serving up metal pole ass kickings, neither guy looked to ever actually land a blow

11/8/2011 4:37:42 PM

I think these guys at least deserves credit for being aware enough of their surroundings to know what everyday objects around his workplace could be used for an ass-whoopin'




[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 4:46 PM. Reason : improvised gangsterism is pretty gangsta, when you think about it.]

11/8/2011 4:43:30 PM

when i worked retail in college, with a pretty low-income customer base, I made a mental note of where good bludgeoning objects were around the store in case a customer ever flipped out and needed to get dealt with.

11/8/2011 4:52:36 PM

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20111108_Federal_agent_is_free_on_bail_as_details_of_shooting_emerge.html?id=133422173

Quote :

"Kailua resident Kollin Elderts bled to death after being shot once in the chest, a wound that also injured a lung, the city Department of the Medical Examiner said Monday. Details of the violent conflict that took Elderts' life Saturday morning remained sketchy on the eve of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit, where Special Agent Christopher Deedy was to help provide security as leaders of 21 nations gather in Honolulu this week. Deedy, who is charged with shooting Elderts at Waikiki's Kuhio Avenue McDonald's early Saturday morning, was released from police custody after posting $250,000 bail at about 4:30 a.m. Monday. He is scheduled to make his initial District Court appearance on Nov. 17 after being charged Sunday night with second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. Police said Deedy, 27, shot and killed Elderts, 23, during a confrontation at the 24-hour McDonald's at about 2:44 a.m. Saturday. The city Department of the Medical Examiner said that Elderts died of "exsanguination due to a gunshot wound to the chest with an injury to the lung." Coroners classified the manner of death as a homicide. Deedy is an employee with the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security, and has been placed on paid administrative leave. Except for stating that an altercation among four men led to one man being shot dead with a single bullet, authorities have released no information about the circumstances surrounding the incident. According to a source who wished to remain anonymous, two bullets were found in the ceiling and the wall of the McDonald's. The source also told the Star-Advertiser that a pocketknife was recovered at the scene, but it is unknown to whom it belonged. The knife had blood on it, but no one was reported stabbed, the source said. Additionally, the source said Deedy refused to take a blood alcohol test at the scene and that he appeared to have been drinking. Michael Green, attorney for Elderts' family, said he did not believe the knife belonged to Elderts, based on information he has received from a friend of Elderts who was also at the McDonald's. However, Green said, the altercation between Deedy and Elderts began and ended at McDonald's. Green had previously said the altercation began at a nightclub. Green said that initial story was an assumption Elderts' family had made. Green said the Kalaheo High School graduate's best friend has given a statement to police and has told him that he and Elderts caught a cab to Waikiki late Friday after dinner with friends at SoHo Mixed Media Bar. The friend said he and Elderts were briefly at a Waikiki karaoke club before going to the McDonald's, according to Green. While in the front of the line for food, Elderts was joking with employees behind the restaurant counter and noticed three men and a woman in the adjacent line looking serious, the friend told Green. "There was a discussion between Kollin and that group, saying, 'How come you guys are not happy? Everybody's having a great time in here.' And then they had words exchanged," Green said. When Deedy threatened to shoot Elderts, Elderts invited him to do so, according to Green. Green said the friend witnessed Deedy "karate kick" Elderts, dropping the younger man to the ground. "Our client gets up, smacks the guy ... (there is) grappling ... and three shots go off," Green said. A FEDERAL LAW enacted in 2004 allows qualified law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons while off duty anywhere in the United States. Among the qualifications is that the officer cannot be under the influence of alcohol or any intoxicating drug. Alan Gano, a retired criminal investigator with U.S. Customs, said policies for federal agencies he's familiar with prohibit law enforcement officers from carrying weapons if they were drinking alcohol."

11/8/2011 4:52:55 PM

Quote :

"I'd bet had the attackers been male, this wouldn't even be a discussion."

Exactly. If a male attacker had just slapped a female cashier, then the male would be up for a prison sentence and the female cashier would get a full hour on Oprah.

The female cashier could have calmly walked around the counter after being slapped, pulled out a glock-9, and gunned down the guy who slapped her. She'd be heralded as a feminist freedom fighter and the man would have "gotten what so many abusive men deserve."

The girls took a severe beating, but in my opinion, it's warranted. If they're fucking crazy and stupid enough to jump over the counter in front of all of those people, they're fucking crazy and stupid enough to brandish a weapon and bring the pain to the mickey d's convict and the rest of the ronald mcdonald misfits. You really think the rest of the NYC crips wouldn't pull this nigga's ho card if he didn't put them down like bitches? *no pun

[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 5:18 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2011 5:16:03 PM

Quote :

"video makes it look like he went beyond what was required for self defense. i'm all for those ladies getting what they deserve, but i can't support him taking it past the point of self defense just because i dont like the ladies or what they did."

Forget that. I think it is completely justifiable to make sure the crazy bitches that crawled their fat ass over the counter to attack you are actually down and not getting back up.

Not like it matters. When all is said and done, the dude will still be vilified for this. And those idiot females will probably get loads of money by suing him or mcdonalds at some point.

11/8/2011 8:48:55 PM

Quote :

"that was McAwesome"

11/8/2011 10:11:25 PM

http://www.dnainfo.com/20111202/greenwich-village-soho/rayon-mcintosh-be-freed-mcdonalds-beating-case

Quote :

"MANHATTAN — Rayon McIntosh, the Greenwich Village McDonald's worker caught on dramatic cellphone video beating two unruly female customers, was not indicted by a grand jury, prosecutors said Friday, paving the way for him to be released from custody. After convening for 11 days over the incident, which was captured on shocking video first published by DNAinfo, the grand jury voted to dismiss charges against McIntosh, 31. SEE MORE PHOTOS "Over the last 11 days the the grand jury considered the evidence and voted to dismiss in the interest of justice," Assistant District Attorney Jamie Mendoza said. "We ask Mr. McIntosh be freed.""

[Edited on December 2, 2011 at 9:23 PM. Reason : ]

12/2/2011 9:22:59 PM

^JUSTICE!! Those two McBitches had it coming.

12/2/2011 9:56:23 PM

THIS IS A CHINESE RESTAURANT
BUT LIKE BURGER KING,
HAVE IT YOUR WAY

12/2/2011 9:57:49 PM