I am not usually one for expressing my opinions on things like this, typically I just sit in the background or avoid it all together. But since I am getting close to the time in my life where I will be having children this now affects me.

I believe in spanking, I feel it is a necessary and effective punishment. However, there is of course a limit. This guy took it too far.
1. he should have just left after the first few hits instead of coming back for more.
2. The wife should back up her husband and pose a united front, but she should not have gotten involved in the spanking. Especially not have both parents with a belt.
3. The wife and husband should have sat down after finding out about the downloading and discussed their next steps for punishment. This would have hopefully calmed them both down enough to inflict a more effective, less emotional punishment that would have actually taught a lesson.

I agree that anyone over 10 should probably not be spanked because by then there are much more effective punishments. I got spanked several times but just with hands. I got the belt once, and believe me I deserved it! I walked around with one of the other neighborhood kids and we spray painted people's houses. I got probably 3 slaps with a belt on my bottom (I was probably 10) and my parents dragged me to every one of my neighbors and made me fess up to what I did and apologize in person. I was mortified and I learned my lesson. I think that was a fair punishment for me.


But regardless, this guy took it too far.

11/2/2011 10:41:29 AM

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"I never got spanked, I don't understand why anyone would ever hit a child for any reason. It's cool that your parents hit you with belts and guitars and you turned out fine, but that is some fucked up shit to me."

Amen.

11/2/2011 10:43:04 AM

I'm a believer in spanking, I have no problem with using a belt either. most of you fucknuts talking about how there was nothing wrong here don't actually have kids, so you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Spanking is about punishment, not a manifestation of anger or scarring your kids for life with what's nothing more than parental bullying. This was completely wrong and went way beyond anything reasonable. Obviously 7 years later this girl still hasn't gotten over it.

If you're doing it right, you only have to spank your kid a few times ever (ok, probably more for a boy), and the threat of it is enough to be a deterrent. And it's fucking worthless past a certain age, certainly not a good punishment for a teenager.


[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 10:46 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2011 10:45:50 AM

^ Pretty much spot on.

11/2/2011 11:00:35 AM

i don't believe in beating kids regularly, but a good, hard spanking for a kid every now and then shows them who's boss and that they really did something wrong.

there's no question this guy went overboard, but people who equate parents who choose to spank with malicious child abusers are just asinine

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 11:34 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2011 11:18:40 AM

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"If you're doing it right, you only have to spank your kid a few times ever (ok, probably more for a boy), and the threat of it is enough to be a deterrent. And it's fucking worthless past a certain age, certainly not a good punishment for a teenager. "

Interestingly, my parents threatened me with spanking, and never once did it in my memory.

From that perspective, I feel like I sort of get the role in parenting. You shouldn't yell at you kids normally, but you should yell at your kid if shit got really crazy serious at some point. Obviously that's not bad parenting.

Punishment only works for the symbolic value. Getting spanked is about them understanding that they are receiving punishment. I've read accounts where parents get super formal about it, to the point that the kid has to repeat what it is that they did before they get spanked. But it makes me wonder, if you go through all the motions and effort to make them understand, then what does the spanking do? It's irrelevant. The emotional communication is what matters. You could do that well with or without spanking. If a parent does everything right and spanks them, I'm sure they are not damaged because of it. But there's not the thinnest thread of reason to say that spanking helps, or couldn't be replaced by another punishment.

11/2/2011 11:19:39 AM

Gamin on the internet? You better believe that's a paddlin

11/2/2011 11:21:39 AM

I agree with BobbyD, minus the belt part (but then again, I was threatened with belts and fish paddles by a terrifying man, so I obviously have a skewed view).

I still can't believe how many people are joking about this. I say joking because I sincerely hope no one actually thinks this is right.

11/2/2011 12:07:32 PM

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"I'm a believer in spanking, I have no problem with using a belt either. most of you fucknuts talking about how there was nothing wrong here don't actually have kids, so you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Spanking is about punishment, not a manifestation of anger or scarring your kids for life with what's nothing more than parental bullying. This was completely wrong and went way beyond anything reasonable. Obviously 7 years later this girl still hasn't gotten over it. If you're doing it right, you only have to spank your kid a few times ever (ok, probably more for a boy), and the threat of it is enough to be a deterrent. And it's fucking worthless past a certain age, certainly not a good punishment for a teenager. "

THANK YOU

11/2/2011 12:10:06 PM

How come BobbyDigital and I are saying the exact same thing, but I'm getting argued with and he's getting unanimously agreed with?

Side note, BobbyD, you and I pretty much seem to see almost everything the same way. It's kind of odd. Probably because we're so goddamn smart and awesome.

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"You do realize he is part of the very small percent of fathers who actually CARE about their children, right?"

You...didn't watch the video, did you? There was nothing caring about the way he went about that.

11/2/2011 12:33:55 PM

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"But there's not the thinnest thread of reason to say that spanking helps, or couldn't be replaced by another punishment."

spanking is what you do after you've already gone through the other punishments. It's not option #1.

11/2/2011 12:36:29 PM

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"I still can't believe how many people are joking about this. I say joking because I sincerely hope no one actually thinks this is right."

I dont think a single person in here has said what this guy did was right- everyone has said they think he took it too far. The argument is now whether people think spanking is acceptable or not.

11/2/2011 12:38:07 PM

i swear this is like the 18th billion debate about spanking on here.

11/2/2011 12:44:24 PM

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"I dont think a single person in here has said what this guy did was right- everyone has said they think he took it too far. The argument is now whether people think spanking is acceptable or not."

You didn't read this retard's posts [DoubleDown]:

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"Its a BELT - designed to sting but not leave any permanent or serious damage Its not like he was using a bat or anything"

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"Hitting someone with a belt is not a beating. He was well within his rights as a father, and in the eyes of the law. He may have taken it even more personally that he is an upholder of the law and his own daughter decides to break the law in his household. I can imagine I'd be equally angry. "

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"You do realize he is part of the very small percent of fathers who actually CARE about their children, right?"

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"At least this father takes an interest in his daughter's life and is trying to teach her valuable life lessons that very well could have changed her future for the better."

11/2/2011 12:45:04 PM

^^^ which is a stupid argument because it depends on the individual spanking and the individual getting spanked

there's too many variables, however i think its been pretty unanimous that spanking for spanking's sake doesn't make sense, it has to actually deter the behavior in the future otherwise it is just a physical beating

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 12:45 PM. Reason : f]

11/2/2011 12:45:22 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/02/justice/texas-video-beating/

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"Dallas (CNN) -- A years-old video showing a violent beating and emotional abuse heaped on an apparently disabled teenage girl drew international outrage and prompted a police investigation Wednesday after it was posted on the Internet. The video was uploaded by a woman who said she was the victim -- and that her parents, including her father -- a Texas judge -- were the couple seen in the video beating and cursing at the girl. A person identifying herself as Hillary Adams, daughter of Aransas County, Texas Court-At-Law Judge William Adams, posted the graphic and disturbing video on the sharing site Reddit on Wednesday, saying she had held onto it "until the right time" but decided to post it after receiving a "barrage of harassment" over the phone from her father. In the YouTube posting, the person identifying herself as Hillary Adams said the beating occurred in 2004, when her father was punishing her for using the Internet "to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time." A person identifying herself as Hillary Adams, on a Twitter account using the same username as the posting on Reddit, tweeted to CNN, "I'm not sure how much I should say, except that above all we need to help my father instead of condemning him." In another tweet, the person said, "I'm feeling some regret for publishing the video because to ruin my own father is heavy indeed. But I really want him to seek help." The daughter "has had ataxic cerebral palsy from birth that led her to a passion for technology, which was strictly forbidden by her father's backwards views," according to the posting. "The judge's wife was emotionally abused herself and was severely manipulated into assisting the beating and should not be blamed for any content in this video." The older woman has since left the marriage because of abuse, according to the posting, and has "apologized and repented for her part and for allowing such a thing long before this video was even revealed to exist." CNN tried repeatedly on Wednesday to reach William Adams at his Rockport, Texas, office, but received a constant busy signal. But William Adams told Texas television station KRIS, "It happened years ago ... I apologized." He said the conduct is "not as bad as it looks on tape," KRIS said. The judge said he had contacted judicial review officials in Austin and "more will come out" in the investigation. In a statement, Aransas County Judge Burt Mills said the county is aware of the video regarding William Adams, "and the matter is now under review by the police department. Please refrain from communication with county offices or the sheriff's department on this matter until the review has been completed." The video was brought to authorities' attention about 9 p.m. Tuesday, Rockport Police Chief Tim Jayroe told CNN. "The incident and video are now under investigation," Jayroe said. He said people in Rockport and elsewhere began forwarding the video to police Tuesday night. "The first step is determining the authenticity of the video," he said. "It's a matter of needing to verify the information and that the video is accurate." The video posting said, "Judge William Adams is not fit to be anywhere near the law system if he can't even exercise fit judgment as a parent himself. Do not allow this man to ever be re-elected again. His 'judgment' is a giant farce. Signed, Hillary Adams, his daughter." The Texas State Commission on Judicial Conduct declined comment on the matter Wednesday, but it said it was aware of the situation. A woman answering the phone said the commission has been "overwhelmed." Attempts by CNN to contact Hillary Adams' mother were not immediately successful Wednesday. The video is punctuated by cracks of the man's belt and the girl's screams and cries. At one point, the man says to his near-hysterical daughter, "What happened to you, Hillary? Once you were an obedient, nice little girl. Now you lie, cheat and steal." At another point in the 7.5-minute video, he yells at her, "You want to put some more computer games on? You want some more?" "Are you happy?" he asks her. "Disobeying your parents? You don't deserve to f---ing be in this house." He also berates the older woman, who identifies herself as the girl's mother, for allowing a "f---ing computer" in the house. The older woman also strikes the girl with a belt once, and near the end of the video instructs the girl not to "touch one other thing on the computer besides your schoolwork until you are given notice otherwise." The girl was apparently 16 at the time the video is taken, as the older woman at one point instructs her to "turn over like a 16-year-old and take it." A Facebook page called "Don't Re-Elect Judge William Adams" sprang up on Facebook, attracting more than 3,300 fans by midday Wednesday. Messages were posted by users in countries including Australia, the Netherlands and Guatemala, among others, and a Spanish-language version of the video was posted on YouTube. "This man doesn't deserve power," said a posting on the Facebook page. "He doesn't know how to use it." Police and the district attorney are taking the investigation seriously, Jayroe said. Investigators have not yet spoken to Hillary Adams or her family, he said, and have not tried to contact William Adams. "We would want to talk to her," he said of Hillary Adams. Jayroe said his department has asked the Texas Department of Public Safety for assistance with an investigator. "It's the first time in 22 years we've asked for assistance," he said. "I've gained some new followers," said another posting from the person identifying herself as Hillary Adams. "I hope we can support each other in dealing with abuse of all kinds." "Please spread the word that my father needs professional help and not hatred," the person tweeted. "We can offer him the tools to be a better person.""

http://www.chron.com/news/local_news/article/Police-investigate-judge-over-online-video-2248539.php

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"Aransas County officials are investigating a video posted on YouTube on Tuesday night that shows County Court-at Law-Judge William Adams beating his teenage daughter Hillary with a belt and cursing her. “Obviously it is a very disturbing video. We in my office as well as everyone on earth is taking a look at it, at this time,” said Aransas County Attorney Richard Bianchi, who confirmed that the man wielding the belt in the video is Judge Adams. The video, the authenticity of which remains unclear, was allegedly made in 2004 by the teenage girl, who was apparently being punished for using an internet site disapproved of by her parents. In a Wednesday announcement, Aransas County Judge Burt Mills Jr. said the video matter is “under review” by Rockport police. Mills also asked the public to refrain from calling county offices about it. “I know that the police are involved. I do not know if the Texas Rangers are involved,” said Bianchi, who cut short a trip to Austin on Wednesday to deal with the issue. “Judge Adams remains on the bench” and has agreed with Bianchi to let a visiting judge hear any cases involving children for at least the next week, Bianchi said. Bianchi, who prosecutes misdemeanor offenses, said it was premature to speculate about what, if anything, might result from the police probe. “I don't know if I will have a role in this. When the police conduct their investigation, and if they bring anything, we'll review it, and consider the statutes of limitations,” he said. The executive director of the Texas Commission on Judicial Conduct, which oversees judges in Texas, would not confirm that the agency was receiving complaints about Adams. “We can't confirm we've received any complaints or are investigating any judge,” said Executive Director Seana Willing. The video of the beating already appears in numerous online sites and has also spawned at least four Face Book pages including “Prosecute Judge Adams,” and “Don't Re-elect Judge Adams.”"

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 1:45 PM. Reason : ]

11/2/2011 1:45:05 PM

jbrick83 is so upset right now

IM SO MAD YOU DON'T SEE IT THE WAY I DO ARGGGH RED FACE

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2011 1:56:52 PM

What would be funny is if this girl now found herself with an RIAA lawsuit in her lap

11/2/2011 1:57:15 PM

Pretty sure the statute of limitations has run on that.

11/2/2011 1:59:02 PM

Sounds like a job for Federal pound-you-in-the-ass Prison, or at the very least an old school get the posse and break his legs.

11/2/2011 2:05:05 PM

I've been spanked with a belt before. You don't need more than one or two hits to get the point across. That was a beating.

Also, you're using a belt. You don't need to wind up like you're playing the hammer strength game at the fair.

11/2/2011 5:09:11 PM

This is some pussified shit. Ya'll need to come off it. I had way worse than this about 4-5 times a month. Of course, I did fuck up the way my parents said I did, so I had it coming.

Weak minded fuckers up in here.

11/2/2011 5:20:02 PM

Sweet wood paneling! Check out that awesome simpsons poster.

11/2/2011 5:27:58 PM

^^ the weak mind resorts to using strong-arm tactics, a stronger mind would find another way raise and discipline their children

11/2/2011 5:43:08 PM

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"Aransas"

Dang, there is a real place called Aransas? I was certain it was a typo for Arkansas

11/2/2011 6:21:33 PM

^^^I noticed that, too. AHA

^Yo tambien.

11/2/2011 10:15:33 PM

While I agree that the judge was an asshole in this situation, I find it that this girl is trying to justify illegally downloading stuff onto her computer as if it's no big deal.

11/2/2011 11:25:28 PM

http://qkme.me/358njw

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 6:53 AM. Reason : http://qkme.me/358njw]

11/3/2011 6:53:26 AM

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"While I agree that the judge was an asshole in this situation, I find it that this girl is trying to justify illegally downloading stuff onto her computer as if it's no big deal."

Yes, this is EXACTLY what this is all about....downloading music illegally. Holy shit there are some really really stupid people in this thread.

11/3/2011 7:21:07 AM

Like a lot of people here, I was spanked by hand and even with a switch (incredibly painful) as a child. While spanking, especially with an item such as a belt of switch, is a harsh form of punishment, it is only punishment and not abuse. For me, the situation becomes abuse when someone uses an instrument- this includes hands- that are intended to bruise and injure someone.

As someone who has been spanked, you know you're in trouble and avoiding the punishment only makes it worse The girl in the video intentionally tried to be difficult, rather than accept the consequences of her actions, and that made the entire situation appear worse. It was pageantry, nothing more.

Furthermore, what she was doing was illegal and her father is a judge. I can't imagine that is the first time that is the first time she was asked not to do what she was doing.

One final note, WHO CARES IF SHE HAS CEREBRAL PALSY? It isn't as if that difference makes her incapable of understanding her actions nor does it mean she is incapable of being a spoiled brat.

11/3/2011 8:36:16 AM

ITT, I learn which TWWers will not be babysitting my children.

11/3/2011 8:43:06 AM

I got beat with belts, switches and spatulas growing up. this is in no way acceptable, not because of the belt but because of the way it was carried out

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 8:50 AM. Reason : although, obviously spanking a 16 year old is fucking absurd]

11/3/2011 8:47:53 AM

I wonder what other video's she has.

She sat on this one for a long time...there may be a worse one in her war chest.

Word on the street is this guy not only hates computers...but particularly hates webcams and digital cameras now too.

11/3/2011 8:50:34 AM

I do find it kind of weird that people are equating cerebral palsy with something like autism or Down's Syndrome. I'm not sure this woman would agree that her physical handicap makes her mentally handicapped as well.

11/3/2011 9:06:30 AM

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11/3/2011 9:09:11 AM

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"I do find it kind of weird that people are equating cerebral palsy with something like autism or Down's Syndrome."

Where are people doing that? Serious question, because I skipped a page or two of this thread and probably missed it.

11/3/2011 9:10:15 AM

I think it was back on page 2.

11/3/2011 9:13:18 AM

Still haven't seen autism or down's syndrome used...just the definition of certain types of CP:

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"Motor skills such as writing, typing, or using scissors might be affected, as well as balance, especially while walking. It is common for individuals to have difficulty with visual and/or auditory processing."

It definitely doesn't help that she has physical disabilities.

11/3/2011 9:18:00 AM

ITT some posters reveal they were abused as children, and not only do they justify the abuse, but they also proclaim they will abuse their children in the future.

If you need to abuse 'beat' your child with belts, spatulas, and switches, you are applying LARGE bandages -- the root cause is still there. If you raise your children lovingly in an involved family and spend time with them and teach them manners and decency by words AND BY EXAMPLE, you will [most probably] never have to 'beat' your children, and especially not with household objects (unless they were born deficient in some brain chemical/hormone and are more prone to be violent or disobedient or whatever... but if that's the case, you shouldn't be beating them in the first place).

11/3/2011 9:22:42 AM

All kids act up sometimes, no matter how you raise them. And some kids just don't respond as well to time outs, groundings, taking shit away, etc. I have a cousin that while she's fine most of the time, she can be a downright bitch when she gets it into her mind. I sometimes wonder if she had gotten a swat on the butt when she was being particularly horrid earlier in life would it have saved her parents from dealing with her ridiculous tantrums now that she's a teenager. Not saying kids deserve beatdowns, but a controlled spanking can have its time and place.

11/3/2011 9:26:09 AM

I was spanked with a belt as a child and all I can say is, it didn't make me change what I did, it just made me more afraid of my father. Because by the time he got the belt he was PISSED. I dont think that sort of punishment justifies what the child does.

Maybe a butt slap to a toddler to grab their attention, but a full on beatdown does nothing good for a child imo

11/3/2011 9:27:45 AM

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"most probably"

huh?

11/3/2011 9:32:12 AM

Relevant

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/health/15mind.html?em

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"When a Parent’s ‘I Love You’ Means ‘Do as I Say’ By ALFIE KOHN More than 50 years ago, the psychologist Carl Rogers suggested that simply loving our children wasn’t enough. We have to love them unconditionally, he said — for who they are, not for what they do. As a father, I know this is a tall order, but it becomes even more challenging now that so much of the advice we are given amounts to exactly the opposite. In effect, we’re given tips in conditional parenting, which comes in two flavors: turn up the affection when they’re good, withhold affection when they’re not. Thus, the talk show host Phil McGraw tells us in his book “Family First” (Free Press, 2004) that what children need or enjoy should be offered contingently, turned into rewards to be doled out or withheld so they “behave according to your wishes.” And “one of the most powerful currencies for a child,” he adds, “is the parents’ acceptance and approval.” Likewise, Jo Frost of “Supernanny,” in her book of the same name (Hyperion, 2005), says, “The best rewards are attention, praise and love,” and these should be held back “when the child behaves badly until she says she is sorry,” at which point the love is turned back on. Conditional parenting isn’t limited to old-school authoritarians. Some people who wouldn’t dream of spanking choose instead to discipline their young children by forcibly isolating them, a tactic we prefer to call “time out.” Conversely, “positive reinforcement” teaches children that they are loved, and lovable, only when they do whatever we decide is a “good job.” This raises the intriguing possibility that the problem with praise isn’t that it is done the wrong way — or handed out too easily, as social conservatives insist. Rather, it might be just another method of control, analogous to punishment. The primary message of all types of conditional parenting is that children must earn a parent’s love. A steady diet of that, Rogers warned, and children might eventually need a therapist to provide the unconditional acceptance they didn’t get when it counted. But was Rogers right? Before we toss out mainstream discipline, it would be nice to have some evidence. And now we do. In 2004, two Israeli researchers, Avi Assor and Guy Roth, joined Edward L. Deci, a leading American expert on the psychology of motivation, in asking more than 100 college students whether the love they had received from their parents had seemed to depend on whether they had succeeded in school, practiced hard for sports, been considerate toward others or suppressed emotions like anger and fear. It turned out that children who received conditional approval were indeed somewhat more likely to act as the parent wanted. But compliance came at a steep price. First, these children tended to resent and dislike their parents. Second, they were apt to say that the way they acted was often due more to a “strong internal pressure” than to “a real sense of choice.” Moreover, their happiness after succeeding at something was usually short-lived, and they often felt guilty or ashamed. In a companion study, Dr. Assor and his colleagues interviewed mothers of grown children. With this generation, too, conditional parenting proved damaging. Those mothers who, as children, sensed that they were loved only when they lived up to their parents’ expectations now felt less worthy as adults. Yet despite the negative effects, these mothers were more likely to use conditional affection with their own children. This July, the same researchers, now joined by two of Dr. Deci’s colleagues at the University of Rochester, published two replications and extensions of the 2004 study. This time the subjects were ninth graders, and this time giving more approval when children did what parents wanted was carefully distinguished from giving less when they did not. The studies found that both positive and negative conditional parenting were harmful, but in slightly different ways. The positive kind sometimes succeeded in getting children to work harder on academic tasks, but at the cost of unhealthy feelings of “internal compulsion.” Negative conditional parenting didn’t even work in the short run; it just increased the teenagers’ negative feelings about their parents. What these and other studies tell us, if we’re able to hear the news, is that praising children for doing something right isn’t a meaningful alternative to pulling back or punishing when they do something wrong. Both are examples of conditional parenting, and both are counterproductive. The child psychologist Bruno Bettelheim, who readily acknowledged that the version of negative conditional parenting known as time-out can cause “deep feelings of anxiety,” nevertheless endorsed it for that very reason. “When our words are not enough,” he said, “the threat of the withdrawal of our love and affection is the only sound method to impress on him that he had better conform to our request.” But the data suggest that love withdrawal isn’t particularly effective at getting compliance, much less at promoting moral development. Even if we did succeed in making children obey us, though — say, by using positive reinforcement — is obedience worth the possible long-term psychological harm? Should parental love be used as a tool for controlling children? Deeper issues also underlie a different sort of criticism. Albert Bandura, the father of the branch of psychology known as social learning theory, declared that unconditional love “would make children directionless and quite unlovable” — an assertion entirely unsupported by empirical studies. The idea that children accepted for who they are would lack direction or appeal is most informative for what it tells us about the dark view of human nature held by those who issue such warnings. In practice, according to an impressive collection of data by Dr. Deci and others, unconditional acceptance by parents as well as teachers should be accompanied by “autonomy support”: explaining reasons for requests, maximizing opportunities for the child to participate in making decisions, being encouraging without manipulating, and actively imagining how things look from the child’s point of view. The last of these features is important with respect to unconditional parenting itself. Most of us would protest that of course we love our children without any strings attached. But what counts is how things look from the perspective of the children — whether they feel just as loved when they mess up or fall short. Rogers didn’t say so, but I’ll bet he would have been glad to see less demand for skillful therapists if that meant more people were growing into adulthood having already felt unconditionally accepted. Alfie Kohn is the author of 11 books about human behavior and education, including “Unconditional Parenting” and “Punished by Rewards.”"

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 9:34 AM. Reason : ^ huh?]

11/3/2011 9:33:22 AM

Consequences will never be the same.

11/3/2011 9:35:17 AM

jbrick83 is taking this personally

You should go #Occupy Aransas

11/3/2011 9:36:03 AM

I'm actually not as up in arms as most people are in this thread. I was spanked with a belt as a child and had/have no problem with it. I won't spank my kid with a belt, but I have a feeling I will pop them in the heiney a few times when they start acting ridiculous.

I was just calling out your idiocy.

11/3/2011 9:37:48 AM

Didn't Penn and Teller do an episode of Bullshit on positive reinforcement? I vaguely remember them going on a rant on how they give out awards for everything in schools these days.

11/3/2011 9:40:06 AM

^ Yes...kid's are coddled a little too much these days. But that's a whole different animal than this video.

My kids are going to be raised as winners, and they'll have to work for it, because:

11/3/2011 9:42:32 AM

lol I was responding to 0EPII1's article but y'all replied faster than me and I'm too lazy to go back and add carats.

11/3/2011 9:43:33 AM

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"I was just calling out your idiocy."

tell us more how you feel people are idiots because their opinion is different than yours

#OccupyAransas

11/3/2011 9:49:46 AM