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"He's athletic, just not quick."

...

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"Gonna be a long night if our gameplan is to feed the post."

you know what else is going to make for a long night? if lorenzo brown decides to quit basketball between now and then. you know, as long as we're throwing out stupid scenarios.

1/23/2012 11:26:57 PM

out of a whole lot of dumb shit posted on the previous page, this is probably the dumbest:

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"Just don't want to get crushed and have to bounce back against a really good UVA team."

that and acting as if Barnes is nothing special

1/23/2012 11:36:24 PM

^
What was dumb about that quote?

1/23/2012 11:42:45 PM

"UVA" and "really good" should never be in the same sentence

well coached, yes

but there is only one "really good" team in the ACC, and to even call them "really good" is a bit of a stretch

1/23/2012 11:46:07 PM

Okay I guess. Certainly wasn't the dumbest thing from that page.

1/23/2012 11:52:55 PM

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"need a few good physical fouls from Vandy on their bigs"

i'm guessing you haven't watched us play basketball this year?

1/24/2012 9:17:01 AM

You fool, it's all a trick

Vandy is gonna be like Robocop, saving our team from a cage

Or something

1/24/2012 9:25:42 AM

Arn is Duke

Sid is UNC

Ole Anderson is...FSU I guess

[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 10:22 AM. Reason : b]

1/24/2012 10:21:01 AM

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"For the first time in a long time, the NC State-North Carolina basketball game has meaning to both parties involved. The Wolfpack, led by first-year head coach Mark Gottfried, will make the trip to the Dean Smith Center with plenty of confidence after starting the ACC season 4-1. Carolina (16-3, 3-1) enters the rivalry game coming off a road win over Virginia Tech Thursday. "Our guys have some confidence right now. We've won a few games on the road and we have some pep in our step right now," said Gottfried in an interview with The Insiders on 620 The Buzz on Tuesday morning. Gottfried said he was happy to see his team earn a "gutsy" win against Miami on Sunday, but added that the attention quickly turned to the Tar Heels. "As soon as the game was over down in Miami, everyone's attention shifted real quickly to North Carolina." The Tar Heels will enter Thursday's game with fresh legs after a week off since the win over Virginia Tech, but they'll be without defensive stopper and backup point guard Dexter Strickland, who tore his ACL in the second half of the 82-68 win over the Hokies. As for the game, Gottfried admitted that defending Carolina big men Tyler Zeller and John Henson will be a challenge. Gottfried jokingly admitted that he might need to seek out the advice of football coach Tom O'Brien regarding how to approach the rivalry. O'Brien has led NC State to five straight victories over the Tar Heels in football. "

1/24/2012 10:28:14 AM

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"Yeah the number one player out of hs isn't really athletic. Good point"

I wouldnt call Sullinger really athletic either and he was the number one player as a freshman

1/24/2012 11:34:35 AM

so can i preemptively bitch about the refs not letting us play or

1/24/2012 11:40:11 AM

so i'm going to the game with some friends. i'm trying to find a red "Go to Hell Carolina" t-shirt somewhere that I can buy in time to wear to the game, assuming it's not > $20. i'd heard Alumni Hall at Crabtree sold those, but I called and they're out.

So, anyone know another place that might have them? Can't order anything online at this point and have it before the game.

1/24/2012 12:06:12 PM

Well, you can wear it but they might not let you in. If they do, pray that Roy only has you escorted from the building in handcuffs and doesn't pull out his bb gun. God help you!

1/24/2012 12:10:00 PM

Just wear it under a UNC shirt, then rip that shit off Hulk style. Wolf in sheep's clothing.

1/24/2012 12:12:40 PM

uh, they'll definitely let me in. i'll have a jacket or something on over it. and that isn't the point. the point is i don't have that shirt yet and i need it if i'm going to be able to wear it to the game...

1/24/2012 12:13:15 PM

I was thinking about wearing my old "This is not red" shirt to the game, but I'll probably stick with my red ncsu polo

1/24/2012 12:19:26 PM

if Harrison Barnes gets on a wide open fast break on Thursday, you guys think he'll be able to muster up enough of a vertical jump to dunk it? That is if he's quick enough to get down there before all 5 of our guys use their superior quickness to catch up to him and easily block his shot attempt.

1/24/2012 12:20:27 PM

^^^dude, it was a joke. calm down

[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM. Reason : find your own damn shirt]

1/24/2012 12:32:05 PM

are people seriously talking about using vandy in this game? thanks for reminding me why i don't really post in sports talk anymore...


^i'm perfectly calm. sorry if i seemed otherwise.

[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 12:34 PM. Reason : ]

1/24/2012 12:33:17 PM

John Chaney wouldn't hesitate to burn Vandys redshirt in this game....

1/24/2012 12:58:52 PM

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"if Harrison Barnes gets on a wide open fast break on Thursday, you guys think he'll be able to muster up enough of a vertical jump to dunk it? That is if he's quick enough to get down there before all 5 of our guys use their superior quickness to catch up to him and easily block his shot attempt."

this rules

1/24/2012 1:00:36 PM

I say we put de Thaey on Barnes. Anyone can guard him so no reason to get a vital piece tired.

1/24/2012 1:11:44 PM

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"you know, as long as we're throwing out stupid scenarios. "

It's two days before a game against our biggest rival. Speculating is all us mere fans can do at this point.

You know, except for saying Carolina fans are a bunch of Wal-Mart loving gays and such

1/24/2012 1:11:50 PM

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"are people seriously talking about using vandy in this game?"

some would say that if CJL/Howell/Painter get into foul trouble, he could be a useful big body for 5-7 minutes, get a couple rebounds, and force Henson or Zeller to earn some buckets from the charity stripe...i however would say Vandy should probably play 25-30 minutes, generally guarding Barnes on the perimeter...he's tall enough to get a hand in his face on Barnes' jumpshots, and whenever Barnes dribbles, the Black Falcon usually is so uncoordinated that he loses his balance and forgets how to walk, falling down to the ground helplessly

1/24/2012 1:18:43 PM

gottfried said CJ williams would be defending barnes, so.. yeah

1/24/2012 1:18:47 PM

pack 86
glorious holes 81

roy's gonna have the biggest emotional breakdown of his life. mark it down

1/24/2012 1:18:47 PM

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"some would say that if CJL/Howell/Painter get into foul trouble, he could be a useful big body for 5-7 minutes, get a couple rebounds, and force Henson or Zeller to earn some buckets from the charity stripe...i however would say Vandy should probably play 25-30 minutes, generally guarding Barnes on the perimeter...he's tall enough to get a hand in his face on Barnes' jumpshots, and whenever Barnes dribbles, the Black Falcon usually is so uncoordinated that he loses his balance and forgets how to walk, falling down to the ground helplessly"

Vandenburg is sitting out the season and applying for a medical redshirt. If we need a big body for 5-7 minutes, it's going to have to be de Thaey. I do not believe we'll see Vandenburg play again this season.

1/24/2012 1:22:37 PM

always great to see serious responses to facetious posts

1/24/2012 1:24:21 PM

i actually didnt realize he was out for the year, so i dont think he was responding to the other part of the post

1/24/2012 1:27:25 PM

yeah i wasn't replying to any of the barnes shit. it's just perplexing that people still talk about vandy playing even when it's been weeks since he's registered a minute of playing time.

1/24/2012 1:36:30 PM

[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 1:39 PM. Reason : ]

1/24/2012 1:39:00 PM

Gottfried is saying that CJW will be on Barnes.

Mike Patrick

1/24/2012 1:47:58 PM

All sarcasm aside, Barnes weaknesses are well documented. Just look at his game logs. Very few assists. He's not an elite rebounder, at least for someone his size. He's got [one] double double on the year. He's an elite shot maker and a great finisher in transition, that's about it. He doesn't give them anything that Wayne Ellington didn't. That doesn't mean he's a marginal player or anything, but he's not the superstar that he was hyped up to be either.

1/24/2012 1:52:21 PM

I swear to everything I own that I will heckle the ever loving shit out of Mike Patrick if I see him in person

1/24/2012 1:58:45 PM

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"but he's not the superstar that he was hyped up to be either."

i'm sure he will be on thursday

1/24/2012 2:19:06 PM

I propose that we start 5 walkons and Gott sends the starters to the locker room at tip off.


Do it for the lulz

1/24/2012 2:51:02 PM

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"roy's gonna have the biggest emotional breakdown of his life. mark it down"

I hope against hope that one of the big donors with seats behind the UNC bench sells their tickets to some NCSU fans. I then hope that those NCSU fans are obnoxious and have the audacity to tell a UNC player who is shooting a free throw to "miss it." Then I hope that 'ol Roy had the foresight to bring his BB gun and takes aim at said NCSU fans' fannies with hopes to redden them. Finally, I hope that the aforementioned vocal, obnoxious NCSU fans manage to shield themselves from the speeding BB with their giant-head-on-a-stick.

1/24/2012 2:51:14 PM

Barnes = wayne ellington is a decent comparison that I haven't thought of yet, but it does make sense. Hell, they are even both handsome guys, too.

1/24/2012 2:55:39 PM

~

1/24/2012 3:00:30 PM

Dexter Strickland hit zero 3-pointers this season before being injured

what kind of starting shooting guard on a top-tier basketball team has zero 3-pointers in 461 minutes of playing time?

I expect Bullock to drain one within the first minute of the game Thursday

1/24/2012 3:01:29 PM

I would like this game thread to be as epic as this older football game thread: http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=604829

Just looking through the old posts and pictures makes me nostalgic. Need the post-game TWW optimism to carry through.

Trying to get my deposition rescheduled so I have a chance of actually seeing this game.

1/24/2012 3:03:12 PM

why do people pronounce his name bull-lock?

really grinds my gears

1/24/2012 3:03:56 PM

Breakdown:

Harrison Barnes is NOT the main concern in this game. He gets his points by using his size to rise up and shoot over people. We have two lengthy perimeter players who can guard him relatively effectively. He's still probably going to get his points off efficient shooting, but he isn't the kind of player that can terrorize you and single handedly take over the game like Jason Williams, Grant Hill, or even Joe Forte. You're not going to completely take him out of the game and you shouldn't try to. Get your hand in his face and don't let him score 30+ but don't have breakdowns defensively because you're giving him too much attention.

Henson and Zeller: These guys are absolute monsters on both ends and we don't matchup well at all here. We have only 3 legit post players now with Vandy out (who had a great game last year against UNC), all of whom are very foul prone. The remarkable thing about Henson is that he's one of the best shot blockers in the country, yet he almost never fouls because his arms are so long. These are the guys we have to gameplan around. They are also elite rebounders so we will have to battle these guys for 40 minutes without fouling. If we could get one of these guys in foul trouble it would be huge because there is a big dropoff between these All-ACC'ers and their highly touted freshman McAdoo who has been a big bust thus far.

Kendall Marshall: This is another key matchup. Marshall is highly overrated and is really their biggest weakness. We haven't had a ton of success guarding PG's but Lorenzo should be pumped for this game to show the world he's the better of the two. Marshall doesn't present a scoring threat and he is very turnover prone. He is a very good passer but a lot of his assists come off of mismatches created by UNC's elite athleticism and skill. IF we allow Marshall to have a big game, we're probably done. He is the one position where we have the ability to create a mismatch for UNC. Also, he has no true replacement so he may wear down over 40 minutes, especially if we are making things difficult for him.

Bullock/Hairston: Unfortunately, there is virtually no dropoff from Strickland (out for the season) to Bullock and Hairston. Bullock is a terrific shooter and Hairston is a great slasher/scorer. These guys can present real problems for us particularly since CJW has an injured shoulder and we may use Wood some of the time on these guys if CJW is covering Barnes. Personally, I don't think either of them really have the foot speed to stay with Hairston, but I think both are capable of guarding Bullock. I'd use Wood on Bullock and CJW on Barnes, but switch Wood to Barnes if Hairston is in the game. Because Wood is white many have formed the opinion that he is a terrible defender. While he had some bad games after his ankle injury, he's really been an adequate defender his entire career here. Remember, we used him to effectively guard Sylvan Landesburg two years ago.


What we need to do:

1) Stay out of foul trouble. We can't afford to send guys to the bench with foul trouble. CJL/Howell/Painter need to combine for 120 minutes which means we need two of them on the floor at ALL times. This game isn't winnable if TDT has to give us 8-10 emergency relief minutes. If we get in foul trouble on the perimeter I actually think Tyler Harris has potential for this game. He has the length to contest shots, he rebounds his position, and he could make a shot in a pinch.

2) Rebound. UNC isn't an elite offensive team if you take away their offensive rebounding ability. However, defensively they are still top notch and we rely on offensive rebounding to generate a lot of our points. At the very least we have to break even in rebounds in this game and to pull an upset we likely need to beat them on the glass.

3) Shoot the J. We rely heavily on inside scoring that simply isn't going to be there against a team full of shot blockers and rebounders. If you think back to the last few years a lot of our offense has been generated by Javi Gonzalez and Lorenzo Brown against UNC. Lorenzo has got to be aggressive offensively he can't afford to be a game manager against Carolina because we don't have anyway to generate enough good looks without him. Scott Wood has been horrible in all four games against UNC. That isn't a coincidence, Carolina knows they can guard us inside so they divert extra attention to make sure he isn't the one that beats them. Wood needs to find where he can get his shots. He doesn't have to score 20, but in four games against UNC he is averaging 3.75 ppg on 16% FG. We obviously can't win with that. CJ Williams has also been mostly a non-factor against UNC. He's got to find his shots out there.

4) Turnovers. Carolina doesn't force turnovers either this year, but the difference is that no one on their team commits them except Marshall. We absolutely can't give UNC an extra five possessions in this game and expect to have any chance on the road.

5) Tempo. After decades of being one of the slowest teams in D1, we are finally pushing the tempo this season. That's great. As a good team, you want to force the tempo. But this ain't the game to do it. When you're up against a superior team you want as few possessions as possible so that the law of averages doesn't work to their advantage. On top of that we don't have the depth to hang with UNC and foul trouble is one of our main concerns. Even UNC took the air out of the ball one year against Duke when they knew they had the inferior team. If we want to win, we need to play methodically.

1/24/2012 3:04:56 PM

^anybody got cliffnotes?

1/24/2012 3:06:37 PM

is that a copy/paste from somewhere, or did you really take the time to type that all out?

1/24/2012 3:07:44 PM

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"CJL/Howell/Painter need to combine for 120 minutes which means we need two of them on the floor at ALL times."

1 + 1 = 3

1/24/2012 3:08:12 PM

considering the abbreviations of players' names...i think he wrote that himself

1/24/2012 3:08:37 PM

that is the most comprehensive keys to the game ever....should have just went all out madden and "score more points than the other team"

1/24/2012 3:09:17 PM

cliffnotes version:

we have to score more points than them to win this game, whether it come from 3 pointers, 2 pointers, 1 pointers, or whatever else

1/24/2012 3:10:17 PM

You should be thanking rally for his work. Most of you troglodytes can't put three coherent sentences together.

1/24/2012 3:11:24 PM