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2/8/2012 11:32:36 AM

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"fact: a plant biology professor in our department teaches a creationism class. how he is a PhD in science is mind boggling."

uh maybe hes just a well rounded individual with interest and expertise in a variety of subjects?

dont let your bias show too much...



of course you call them out! you call them out in a way which is IMMUNE to reciprocation.

i would love to hear what the professor had to say about her/the article after the fact. did he handle it in a dignified way? or was he a condescending twat?

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2/8/2012 11:33:06 AM

^

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"of course you call them out! you call them out in a way which is IMMUNE to reciprocation."

yeah, and a lot of people are. the obnoxious ones are just more noticeable. can't control that

[Edited on February 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM. Reason : .]

2/8/2012 11:34:16 AM

how long until this girl gets a TWW username?

2/8/2012 11:35:02 AM

I too am curious about what the prof said

2/8/2012 11:35:53 AM

So fuck y0willy0 in his stupid ass.

2/8/2012 11:36:32 AM

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"why not just let her be stupid?"

You missed her demands. Her demands are clearly that evolution not be taught as fact, following the discretion of the professor. As in, the NCSU biology class should request/demand/do something to have the professor teach biology contrary to his professional opinion. In fact, ultimately we would need to get faculty who won't promulgate the scientific consensus with too much certainty, because with academic freedom, the only choice is to select people who agree with the message you want to teach.

I don't care if it makes her drop the class, that professor should go in front of the class double the heck down on that, and he/she needs the support of the entire university community. I don't care if the exam in the class fails her for bubbling in "false" in response to "is evolution fact?"

2/8/2012 11:37:14 AM

she did drop the class-

^^wah

2/8/2012 11:42:18 AM

I know Dr. Bruck well, I can guarantee you he did not handle it appropriately.

2/8/2012 11:42:23 AM

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"I don't care if it makes her drop the class, that professor should go in front of the class double the heck down on that, and he/she needs the support of the entire university community. I don't care if the exam in the class fails her for bubbling in "false" in response to "is evolution fact?""

2/8/2012 11:42:27 AM

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"she dropped the course"

that's a shame, I hope it was because of a time conflict and not because of her religious views. Even though she might not get this, hopefully someday she'll see that college is about learning and growing and you can't do that if you're putting on blinders to the world. At least taking the class might give her a chance to seek out evidence and test the theories and find something more than just believing what people tell you (whether it's evolution or that God did it all)

2/8/2012 11:43:33 AM

(Posting from my phone so excuse any mistakes)

The professor was cool about it. He did say that because of the overwhelming evidence, evolution is a scientific fact, just like gravity. He did have a big problem with all the mean comments though. He said that you should be able to discuss this type of thing in a civil, professional manner. He said he would have preferred the writer to sit down and talk with him, rather than just dropping the class and then writing this column. He definitely didn't call the girl a total idiot or anything. In fact, he said that evolution does not necessarily conflict with the existence of a god.

2/8/2012 11:43:35 AM

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"why not just let her be stupid?"

2/8/2012 11:43:54 AM

^^the professor is still a dumbass, though at least he handled this one situation well.

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2/8/2012 11:44:24 AM

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"The issue in this argument has always been that creationists are using the wrong definition of "theory.""

2/8/2012 11:46:50 AM

^^He seems alright to me. I haven't had any personal experiences with the guy, though. I just come to the 300+ person lecture...he is a little crazy, but I don't have a problem with him

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2/8/2012 11:48:47 AM

What happened to our Paper between 1970 and now? When the hell did Carolina pass us when we were being nationally recognized in the 70-80s?




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2/8/2012 11:49:22 AM

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"the professor is still a dumbass"

how is he being a dumbass? Am I missing something? He seems to be very reasonable

2/8/2012 11:50:10 AM

^^People like BlackDog started showing up at State, extolling the virtues of being a drug addict and leading with your head while tackling running backs.

2/8/2012 11:55:01 AM

for the record I did not go onto narcotics meds until I was a 2nd Semester Sophomore

2/8/2012 11:56:30 AM

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"how is he being a dumbass? Am I missing something? He seems to be very reasonable"

sorry, he was my advisor, I was in 5 of his classes (majored in ET)... it didn't end well he is mentally unstable

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2/8/2012 11:59:13 AM

As anyone on TWW who reads your posts can attest to, that could have as much to do with you as him.

2/8/2012 12:04:31 PM

lol, good point. it was probably me.

2/8/2012 12:05:10 PM

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2/8/2012 1:39:15 PM

2/8/2012 1:57:00 PM

2/8/2012 2:07:20 PM

Evolution is a myth.

Just like the holocaust, and the female G-spot.

2/8/2012 2:40:56 PM

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"and the female G-spot"

I like the implication here.

2/8/2012 3:22:11 PM

the G spot is not a myth

2/8/2012 3:25:11 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/19/g-spot-does-not-exist_n_1215822.html

2/8/2012 3:39:39 PM

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"why not just let these people be stupid"

These type of people are the reason Rick Santorum is a Presidential candidate. They fight to de-fund things like stem-cell research and in states, like Indiana, pass votes to teach creationism in public school science classes. It's more than, just let them be stupid, it has an impact on how we all live our life.

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2/8/2012 7:49:28 PM

Dr. Jerry Coyne wrote a reply

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/only-a-theory/

2/8/2012 10:21:50 PM

Creationists should not benefit from our scientific discoveries.

Nor should they be allowed to view stars more than 6,000 light years away.

2/8/2012 10:57:52 PM

he writes a great response-

it really does encompass her every fail and should be read aloud to her the rest of her days.

my shtick however is this:

why bother?

doesnt anybody but me think these people are amusing? even if they actually caused any REAL harm have you ever actually tried to argue with one of them?

i guarantee you if ^^this guy tried to rationally explain any of this to her in a calm, collected way she wouldnt even bat an eyelash!

yes she is ignorant; so ignorant in fact that the only recourse is to ignore her completely.

do you think she will ever actually matter? no! she is doomed to a lifetime of bagging groceries, for a variety of reasons im sure, but this being one of them.

simply accept that her attitude and worldview are the root of her serfdom and leave it at that-

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2/8/2012 11:01:14 PM

dumb dumb dumb dumb duuuuumb

2/8/2012 11:26:06 PM

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"Leaving aside the hilarious misuse of the word “simplistic,” this paragraph gets natural selection wrong in several ways: mutations aren’t “maintained”, but increase in frequency; the currency of selection is reproduction, not survival alone; and selection is not just a “process of mutation”, but a process that involves the selective disposition of mutations via a deterministic process of gene sorting."

I have a feeling Murphy wouldn't understand the points Coyne is making. That is if she even got around to reading the first fucking thing about the topic.

2/8/2012 11:27:41 PM

Surely religion has no impact on society. Or wait, maybe this has nothing to do with religion and idiots would be denying scientific fact for some other reason. Damn that human nature.

2/8/2012 11:31:53 PM

I think I want to read that book. I like to revisit Evolutionary evidence time and again as a refresher course in case a spontaneous debate occurs.

2/9/2012 10:48:36 AM

A dozen replies to Murphy: http://www.technicianonline.com/viewpoint

Also hilarious that the Anita Flick story from 6 years ago came up as the second "most popular" story while I browsing the viewpoint section:

http://www.technicianonline.com/news/nude-photos-spark-controversy-1.1110513#.TzVOKVzLxv4

2/10/2012 12:07:36 PM

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"why bother? doesnt anybody but me think these people are amusing? even if they actually caused any REAL harm have you ever actually tried to argue with one of them?"

2/10/2012 12:11:42 PM

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"The only possible way one can be free to choose beliefs is if one is ignorant. The knowledgeable biologist does not choose to believe; evolution's truth is manifest everyday. Perhaps Ms. Murphy should mind her own advice and "research things for [her]self and make an informed opinion" by visiting Wikipedia's "Evolution of common descent" or Talk.Origins' "29+ Evidences of Macroevolution.""

I love this guy!

http://www.technicianonline.com/viewpoint/letter-to-the-editor-common-descent-fact-1.2696526#.TzVY2Mhn2EU

2/10/2012 12:53:02 PM

Evolution is fact, but it still can't pinpoint the origin of evolution. Or can it?

2/10/2012 1:01:35 PM

^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_universal_ancestor

2/10/2012 1:06:23 PM

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"Give me a petri dish and some bacteria and I'll prove it for her in a day."

Like something in a petri dish is going to prove to anyone skeptical of the theory of evolution that through millions of years that bacteria evolved into every living organism we see today including us? Evolution definitely exists, and she is wrong in lumping the entire theory together in order to combat it against creationism, because parts of it are definitely fact, and can be proven in a lab by scientists.

But to suggest that the theory holds true to over millions of years and that eventually, what you place in that dish would grow into you a me... that is what she is fighting against, and understandably so - a claim that large requires faith no matter the short-term evidence you have collected.

It's just not the claim she is putting her faith in. So be it, they need to get off her back about it.

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" it is very different. I think that she knew she was going to get a backlash, hopefully she can handle it. I am surprised at the extreme outrage (given that this is the south, and let's face it we got a lot of bible thumpers) so I hope that no one is harassing her. I work in a lab, and I have seen the evidence of evolution, so it does seriously bother me that she will not even consider proven facts or bother to show us anything that could disprove it. She is at a university that is geared toward science, she has unlimited resources to be educated, yet she plunks herself into this class so that she can feel like a minority and feel persecuted??"

You neglected to explain why it is different. Whether you wish to admit it or not, any scientific theory takes faith to believe in. If I jump off a diving board, I am putting faith in the theory of gravity that I will not get stuck in the air.

Look at it from both sides for a second. As I said, most people probably have not even seen the evidence themselves, and yet choose to believe in the theory of evolution. They read their bibles articles and attend their churches lectures to listen to their preachers professors educate them. The same as you proving to yourself the validity of the theory of evolution, she may say to you that she can prove to herself the validity of believing in God because of her relationship with Jesus Christ through prayer and meditation.

I'm just taking it from a different angle, trying to understand both sides.

Neither scientists nor religious people are idiots. They both make informed decisions on what they want to place their faith in. Either way, you can believe that God used evolution to bring about all that we see and have it both ways. Just chop out the big bang part.

2/10/2012 4:39:56 PM

rofl indeed

2/10/2012 4:48:54 PM

^^ This guy is a fucking idiot.

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2/10/2012 4:51:18 PM

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"Like something in a petri dish is going to prove to anyone skeptical of the theory of evolution that through millions of years that bacteria evolved into every living organism we see today including us?"

Go outside. Look at a tree. Can you see it growing?

God must have created trees in their current form, right?

2/10/2012 5:22:17 PM

Remember, all humans began life as a single celled organism, but there is no way we could have evolved from one even if it took billions of years.

2/10/2012 5:25:41 PM

I think you meant to say:

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"Skeptic: Professor Haldane, even given the billions of years that you say were available for evolution, I simply cannot believe it is possible to go from a single cell to a complicated human body with its trillions of cells organized into bones and muscle and nerves, a heart that pumps without ceasing for decades, miles and miles of blood vessels and kidney tubules, and a brain capable of thinking and feeling. Haldane: But Madam, you did it yourself! And it only took nine months."

2/10/2012 5:37:25 PM

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"Remember, all humans began life as a single celled organism, but there is no way we could have evolved from one even if it took billions of years."

lol, that got a lady gaga song stuck in my head.

2/10/2012 7:05:06 PM