Quote :

"I didn't know it was policy to whip your gun out because you're tired of someone's shit."

Nah, just a generation of pussy cops being produced. Too afraid to get in a fist fight when its time for a thumping and too quick to pull out their burner when they get shook.

[Edited on June 17, 2014 at 7:44 PM. Reason : g/s/p]

6/17/2014 7:42:53 PM

Quote :

"http://www.mediaite.com/tv/video-surfaces-of-texas-police-executing-handcuffed-prisoner/"

A gun goes off and no one responds within the 3 minutes the video kept rolling?

6/17/2014 9:09:42 PM

That is the same cop who was famous for giving the homeless man shoes.

6/24/2014 9:49:41 AM

Surely there was a better way to handle this one:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/23/1309091/-Police-shoot-and-kill-95-year-old-nursing-home-resident-who-did-not-want-to-go-to-the-hospital?detail=facebook

The man, a WWII veteran, was in his room in a nursing home in a small town near Chicago. The staff wanted him to go to a hospital because they feared he had a bladder infection, and he refused, and someone called 911. He refused to leave his room, so police "decided to take him by force..." and one of then fired a shotgun into him, using beanbag ammunition - a round meant for crowd control, and generally used in prison riots at a distance of 6 to 8 feet, causing internal injuries and bleeding. Police stated the man came at them "with a knife or cane". The man's daughter, who is suing the officers, stated he needed a cane to stand and walk and could have not attacked anyone...

6/24/2014 9:50:23 AM

He was fucking 95. If the fucker doesn't want to go to the hospital, that's his perogative. If you can't take on a 95 year old senior citizen in hand to hand to subdue him (assuming there's a legitimate reason to subdue a 95 year old man), you shouldn't be an officer working the streets.

Jesus.

[Edited on June 24, 2014 at 8:59 PM. Reason : .]

6/24/2014 8:58:29 PM

^

6/25/2014 1:06:09 AM

Thought this could go here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/06/26/massachusetts-swat-teams-claim-theyre-private-corporations-immune-from-open-records-laws/?hpid=z4

Mass. SWAT team claims they are a private organization, and therefor not subject to freedom of information requests. Nevermind the fact they are completely funded by tax dollars.

6/26/2014 10:10:53 PM

That's fine they should be stripped of all public funding starting tomorrow and raise funds on their own.

They also are not immune to civil lawsuits as a private entity, so anyone they have ever wronged in the least is free to sue.

They also should not have any weapons that are not allowed to be possessed by a private citizen and should be prosecuted in the criminal courts if they do.

6/26/2014 11:25:22 PM

Also Tewksbury is the same place they tried to seize this mans family owned motel under asset forfeiture because the cops had been called on 0.03% of guests or something.

6/26/2014 11:30:59 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/07/us/california-police-videotape-beating/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

I'm more in shock that the 51 yr old woman is a great grandmother than about the fact that she got beat. Does her fucking brood have a litter of children as soon as the girls in the family reach puberty?

7/7/2014 9:04:45 AM

You're a real piece of shit

7/7/2014 9:43:11 AM

Quote :

"It also says that when an officer asked her to stop, she "continued ignoring the officer's command" and ultimately she "becomes physically combative.""

When a cop is punching you in face repeatedly, you must override your instincts to protect yourself. Say to yourself, "This officer is doing the right thing. I will submit and lay my hands by my sides until he is done punching me.

7/7/2014 4:26:32 PM

Also don't forget to overcome muscle seizures while being tazered

7/7/2014 4:52:38 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/us/georgia-toddler-stun-grenade-no-indictment/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

No indictments for the cops that threw that flash grenade into a baby's crib.

10/7/2014 6:29:34 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nc-police-pepper-spray-black-teen-thinking-foster-son-is-burglar/

fuck that rases shit clint

10/8/2014 5:43:56 PM

http://gawker.com/nypd-officer-knocks-teenager-out-for-smoking-a-cigarett-1644123568

Quote :

"Seventeen-year-old Marcel Hamer was reportedly walking home from school smoking a cigarette when a plainclothes officer stopped him, apparently suspecting the cigarette contained marijuana. The stop turned into a physical confrontation, partially captured on film. Hamer's family says, in their civil suit, that the officer struck Hamer so hard he passed out. In the video, Hamer appears to be unconscious, and the teen says he's suffered headaches, dizziness and memory loss. According to Brooklyn Paper"

10/9/2014 11:17:38 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/18/us-states-police-use-of-force-standards-amnesty

All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

6/18/2015 7:28:14 PM

I'm really looking forward to somebody shooting a cop or two for attempting to kick some guy to death for "resisting" or who they already have handcuffed and are continuing to punch, beat, and tase.

It's going to take something like that, the accompanying police backlash, and then the backlash to the backlash for any of this shit to change. Until they remove the complete late of personal financial liability and virtual immunity from prosecution from the equation we're going to keep getting the same behavior we've been getting for decades.

6/20/2015 7:19:26 AM

Sorry dude I can't get past the first part of the post to read/understand the rest.

6/22/2015 10:39:40 AM

let's just give all the cops one of these to drive



apparently they can do whatever they want anyway

6/22/2015 11:07:28 AM

Seems like a good time to resurrect this thread, as the Trump credibility thread really isn't the place to discuss police mess.

The problem with reforming police forces across the country and how they interact with the public isn't any set of rules or regulations, in my humble opinion. The way cops act to me, has more to do with the motivation to be a cop in the first place.

I'm sorry but I just don't think one becomes a police officer for truly altruistic purposes. If there are truly those people out there, their hopes get dashed the minute they take that first call. Or maybe they get worn down after a while. But I bet those altruistic folks are the minority.

I have no scientific proof or data to back this up, but I just feel like the people that become cops are either the bully type, or the type that were bullied and now want to get back at everybody.

[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM. Reason : asdfa]

5/29/2020 10:51:35 AM

Short of conscription, how does one solve that issue then?

5/29/2020 10:53:24 AM

Fond some of these points to be interesting

5/29/2020 10:56:13 AM

^^^ so how come there is very little police brutality in Europe?

Are they more altruistic, and/or just nicer people in general?

If you compare the response to the lockdown by the public in Europe and the US, that will answer my question above.

5/29/2020 11:34:09 AM

get rid of police unions

5/29/2020 3:26:12 PM

^^Europe is not a police state. Police are not part of everyday life and you hardly even see them unless there is a specific need. The ones you do see, are mostly unarmed and have advanced degrees or training in dealing with people in a nice way.

Europe also doesn't have as many guns so the police don't have to be paranoid all the time that a gun will pop out of nowhere and kill them.

5/29/2020 3:52:14 PM

As someone who has lived in Europe, that is 100% not true. Police are extremely visible

5/29/2020 3:58:32 PM

Generalization. I mean Europe is a continent so its entirely possible that the comment doesn't apply to every single place just like I'm sure there are some areas in Europe that have trouble with police brutality. 100%? Really?

Quote :

"unless there is a specific need"

Where did you live? Obviously there is going to be a big need if you are talking about a tourist area, a capital or large gathering like a football game. In regular towns, I rarely run into police patrols, speed traps, pullovers, and the general harassment from police people face here in the US.


[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 4:28 PM. Reason : I didn't mean my statement to represent 100% of Europe but you clearly do. ]

5/29/2020 4:23:21 PM

I lived in a small Italian town for 3 years and traveled all over the place.

5/29/2020 4:38:54 PM

Yeah that explains everything. Italy has a really high police rate much higher than the US while my countries have police rates much lower than the US. OPEII was probably addressing his question towards the countries in europe that are more comparable to the US.

When I idealize Europe, I'm mostly thinking about the Scandanavian countries which are where I've spend the most time. After checking, seem to be the only ones that have a really low amount of police.

Italy-456 per 100,000
USA- 298
Swedeb- 195
Denmark-192
Norway- 188
Finland-130


I've still never noticed police or had interaction in the high police countries but I was only there for weeks at a time. Did you have experiences where Italian police seemed to e "looking for trouble"?

5/29/2020 5:05:32 PM

You walking this back has been quite fun

5/29/2020 5:11:55 PM

Imagine how fun it would be if I wasn't the only one who walked things back. (cough cough "100%")

5/29/2020 5:17:35 PM

You made a sweeping generalization that wasn't true. You're now walking that back from all of Europe to only major tourist areas to well Scandinavian countries....

Of course a massive police presence isn't going to be visible in some random European hamlet of 200 people, but there are numerous one sheriff towns in the US as well.

Your statement was false and shouldn't have been made as it is 100% inaccurate when talking about Europe as a whole.

5/29/2020 5:38:36 PM

Well Scandanavia is part of Europe so if its accurate for Scandanavia then its definitely not "100% inaccurate". There also isn't a Paris or Rome level tourist destination up there but its all pointless to the discussion. Talking about a continent "as a whole" is dumb to begin with. I should have been more specific but I fucked up.

Instead of having an argument about my lack of semantic precision, why not go ahead and get the discussion back on track by answering OPEI's question and describing your experiences with the cops living in Italy.

[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 6:07 PM. Reason : tell me whats right]

5/29/2020 6:04:50 PM

Which question was that?

5/29/2020 6:53:57 PM

This is nuts...

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gslp03/police_abandoning_the_3rd_precinct_police_station/

5/30/2020 1:49:05 AM

Quote :

" As someone who has lived in Europe, that is 100% not true. Police are extremely visible"

So I lived in Germany for 14 months and just got back in February and I probably saw a police car 4-5 times in my city the entire time I lived there and literally never saw one walking around. In fact, the only time I could remember seeing cops at all in Germany was working security outside Bundesliga games. We traveled to 13-14 countries and aside from places like the airport or big events I can only remember actually noticing a police “presence” in Italy, in the main piazzas in Verona/Rome.

[Edited on May 30, 2020 at 1:07 PM. Reason : .]

5/30/2020 1:06:49 PM

Quote :

"virtual immunity from prosecution from the equation we're going to keep getting the same behavior we've been getting for decades."

It is a job like any other. There are lots of jobs that require a certain type of person that doesn't match the applicants. It is quite easy to fix that problem: fire those that can't handle it. There should be lots of people able to fire a cop without question or appeal. Their boss. Mayor. Neighborhood council.

5/30/2020 8:06:43 PM

All jobs are a process. Set effective rules, and the process will work. Bad cops get fired enough, they'll find other work or figure out how to be good cops.

[Edited on May 30, 2020 at 10:59 PM. Reason : I feared I wasn't clear. ]

5/30/2020 10:56:18 PM

THis should be posted over and over again.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

Quote :

"James Mattis, the esteemed Marine general who resigned as secretary of defense in December 2018 to protest Donald Trump’s Syria policy, has, ever since, kept studiously silent about Trump’s performance as president. But he has now broken his silence, writing an extraordinary broadside in which he denounces the president for dividing the nation, and accuses him of ordering the U.S. military to violate the constitutional rights of American citizens."

Quote :

" In Union There Is Strength I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation. When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside. We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them. James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law. Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics. Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children. We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite. Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad. "

6/4/2020 12:06:08 PM

https://twitter.com/jakesherman/status/1271110907020615682?s=21

Lol, this is the most America shitty tweet ever.

Red alert, a piece of shit supports the barest of all minimums.

6/11/2020 12:07:43 PM

Quote :

"??BREAKING??: @GovofCO has signed #SB217 into law. Colorado becomes one of the first states in the country to END qualified immunity as part of this historic comprehensive police accountability bill. https://t.co/ZHCKRpSaGL"

6/20/2020 11:40:38 AM

BTW this bill didn't make it through committee a few months ago. It took a mass revolt.

6/20/2020 12:45:22 PM

This bill was literally introduced this month and had a fairly quick passage.

https://legiscan.com/CO/bill/SB217/2020

6/20/2020 12:53:26 PM

Activists have been working to pass similar legislation for years. It passed in two weeks because of the protests.

6/20/2020 1:10:36 PM

Right, but that's radically different from what you said.

[Edited on June 20, 2020 at 1:12 PM. Reason : a]

6/20/2020 1:11:57 PM

Please show me the bill that died in committee a few months ago

6/20/2020 1:13:02 PM

I misread an activist's comment. It couldn't even make it *to* committee because sponsors pulled their support

https://twitter.com/elisabeth/status/1271234156408733699

6/20/2020 1:21:27 PM

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb20-1287

https://openstates.org/co/bills/2020A/HB20-1287/

Quote :

"MAR 05, 2020 HOUSE House Committee on Judiciary Postpone Indefinitely"

6/20/2020 1:28:08 PM

Right, not that I don't believe a random person on Twitter, but can you actually show me the bill that was introduced?

6/20/2020 1:28:43 PM