wat? you do realize that these movies are set BEFORE the original series even started, much less the movies which were much later than the original series.


That being said, several things about the moon we saw.
1. It might not have been Praxis (another moon?), or it could have been but was destroyed in a completely different way than in the prime universe... The klingons might have used this moon for target practice. Or maybe it was the result of a large cosmic collision. Maybe it was destroyed in a fight with Nero. (none of these things are either supported or refuted on screen to my knowledge)

2. Maybe it was Praxis. Perhaps the Klingons, suffering the major defeat from Nero needed to tap the resources of Praxis much quicker than they did in the prime universe... This could have lead to the same type of explosion seen in Star Trek VI, but much earlier in their history. I tend to like this idea because there were many references in this movie about the inevitible war with the Klingons. If this was praxis, the Klingons might NEED to expand/conquor in order to survive because of the same type of energy/environmental crisis seen in Star Trek VI, which eventually led to the Khitomer Accords and a long period of peace. The politics of the mid-23rd century, however, were much different than the politics of the late 23rd prime universe, and it peace seems much less likely. (Marcus knew this, hence the military build-up.)

[Edited on May 20, 2013 at 8:21 AM. Reason : ]

5/20/2013 8:18:57 AM

^i thought the same as #2. makes total sense that the Klingons would do anything they could to beef up protection from future threats (including the federation) much the same way Robocop did w/ section 31.

i think we're obviously heading to a Klingon centric 3rd jj trek which is the right way to go. a more mature kirk exploring the galaxy must prevent all out war with the Klingons or something. like maybe the Klingons are scrambling to escape kronos and are annexing neutral/primitive worlds with an eye on federation colonies and that creates the conflict? idk. there are tons of options there.

i also agree that the lack of pre-existing contact/conflict between the Klingons and federation makes the likelihood of a peace treaty in the next movie unlikely, so i hope they don't try to shove it in there.

5/20/2013 11:20:57 AM

I had a good time, went by extremely fast for a two-hour movie.

5/20/2013 1:24:43 PM

Now that the Enterprise has started the 5-year mission, I wonder if there will be more references to original series episodes in the next film.

The one thing I never understood is how the Federation knew so much about Romulans dispite the fact that the Enterprise under Kirk were the first ones to see them in the original series. Even the crew of the Kelvin seemed to know what they were, so it had nothing to do with the timeline change.

5/20/2013 2:28:46 PM

So since Khan's blood can bring not only humans but tribbles back to life does that mean the Federation now holds the secret to immortality frozen in some 73 cryogenic tubes?

5/20/2013 3:53:48 PM

sshhhh don't think about that. also don't think about transwarp beaming eliminating the need for starships.

5/20/2013 3:56:30 PM

^^ That's the "Lindelof effect" taking root.

5/20/2013 4:00:00 PM

Well I still enjoyed the movie overall but there were a few things like that, that I just couldn't stop thinking about.

5/20/2013 4:41:35 PM

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"The one thing I never understood is how the Federation knew so much about Romulans dispite the fact that the Enterprise under Kirk were the first ones to see them in the original series. Even the crew of the Kelvin seemed to know what they were, so it had nothing to do with the timeline change."

They knew OF the Romulans ever since the Enterprise days of the previous century. In fact, they fought an entire war against the romulans. They just never saw exactly what they looked like.

[Edited on May 20, 2013 at 5:23 PM. Reason : ]

5/20/2013 5:22:59 PM

Also, why is jumping to warp now like Star Wars hyperdrive? Why does Dr. Marcus have a british accent now?

5/20/2013 5:49:25 PM

cause it looks pretty?

5/20/2013 6:15:24 PM

i don't have a problem with the warp effect. I do have a problem with them saying "punch it" instead of "engage"

5/20/2013 6:37:10 PM

is that because that's what pike said and kirk copied him or is it what all captains say?

also the admiral uniforms are similar to those in tmp which I hadn't noticed until someone pointed it out. that's cool

5/20/2013 6:51:08 PM

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"i don't have a problem with the warp effect. I do have a problem with them saying "punch it" instead of "engage" "

that was picard

5/20/2013 6:51:52 PM

I used "engage" as a star trek example, not to imply it was kirk's catch phrase. (however he did use the term from time to time.) Neither of them ever said "punch it"



[Edited on May 20, 2013 at 7:14 PM. Reason : ]

5/20/2013 7:12:22 PM

i'm not a huge trekky (esp the original series). but cursory googling can't find evidence that kirk ever said "engage"

5/20/2013 7:21:16 PM

http://youtu.be/Sod1Ict2pQM?t=3m48s

5/20/2013 7:23:24 PM

Make it so!

5/20/2013 7:27:43 PM

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"I used "engage" as a star trek example, not to imply it was kirk's catch phrase. (however he did use the term from time to time.) Neither of them ever said "punch it""

pike used "punch it" in jj trek 1, so I was thinking kirk might choose to do the same rather than the Starfleet tradition of "engage" as kirk learned most everything he knows about command from pike in the jj trek universe. kirk does it to remind himself of what pike taught him.

probably reading too much into it but w/e

5/20/2013 7:30:31 PM

^^^ fair enough

5/20/2013 7:42:34 PM

I did like that they addressed the absurdly fast promotion from cadet to flagship captain that happened in the first movie at least a little bit.

[Edited on May 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM. Reason : ]

5/20/2013 9:31:43 PM

I liked this one more than the previous, by a wide margin.

Still wasn't as "deep" as I would have liked, but still better than practically every recent scifi action movie.

I'm still hoping this paves the way for a new series though.

5/21/2013 1:35:13 AM

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"I do have a problem with them saying "punch it" instead of "engage""

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"is that because that's what pike said and kirk copied him or is it what all captains say?"

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"I used "engage" as a star trek example, not to imply it was kirk's catch phrase. (however he did use the term from time to time.) Neither of them ever said "punch it""

Han Solo said it best.

5/21/2013 2:38:20 PM

I picture you behind the counter at moobies

5/21/2013 3:59:30 PM

saw it today at imax, two thumbs up. really enjoyed it.

5/21/2013 6:21:19 PM

Intentionally avoided this thread, so I could enjoy the movie lol. Thought it was great. I don't know much about the original series or movies. I started watching and enjoying later shows.

Awesome movie in my opinion, and I like how they have opened up the universe now. I felt they took these first two movies to lay some groundwork and foundation.


III

5/21/2013 10:20:56 PM

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"Not, here's a formula for beaming across the galaxy. If that was the case, what was the need for the fastest ship to deliver the red matter to Romulus."

Something tells me there might be something about a material that can open up a singularity that may prevent it from being beamed across a galaxy, and thus requiring transport via the "old fashioned" way.
Saw it tonight and loved every bit of it...although Im still trying to figure out how the alternate universe transformed Khan from an Indian to a Brit, but whatever. Will probably go see it again in IMAX. Kirk in the warp core and the death scene did get "All of this has happened before and will happen again" in my head though.

5/22/2013 2:35:25 AM

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"Im still trying to figure out how the alternate universe transformed Khan from an Indian to a Brit"

khan uses whatever accent he pleases. (hence the mexican accent of the original Khan)

5/22/2013 6:18:46 AM

Saw it last night and extremely enjoyed it. Something was wrong with the acoustics of the theatre I got as every time there was an action scene, it felt like my ear drums were going to bust. However, once I got used to it, it was a great movie.

5/25/2013 5:12:03 PM

prob not a problem with acoustics and more a problem with it being silly loud. My gf ended up putting in the plugs we use at shows so her ears didnt hurt. Was much more enjoyable after that

5/25/2013 7:13:39 PM

I really hate that about some movie theaters. "Louder is better!" There's a point where it's detrimental.

Thankfully, the sound that wasn't the case when I saw it too much. I liked it overall. Thought it was on par with the first, which I really liked. There were definitely some little things to pick at, but nothing big or worth it really.

Would recommend to anyone on the fence. At least if you liked the first one.

[Edited on May 25, 2013 at 7:51 PM. Reason : .]

5/25/2013 7:49:10 PM

this one was much better than the first one.

5/25/2013 10:16:28 PM

I liked the 2009 one a lot more

not much plot or character development in this one. first scene was cool in IMAX

5/26/2013 12:54:09 AM

Agreed. The volcano was one of the coopest looking things ive seen in a movie

5/26/2013 1:05:27 AM

^^

Have you ever seen the wrath of khan?

This one headway more plot and character than the first.

5/26/2013 2:01:01 AM

ok I saw the movie . i liked it for what it was. it did it's job. It's the transformers version of star trek. Pretty colors and ships go bang bang. I dont mind it overall. It felt like this was a spoof of star trek. like red dwarf or something. the ship's bridge looked an apple store. the rest of ship looked like shit. The ship had far advance technology yet the engineering bay looked like a 1980s movie version of a chemical plant. I laughed.

these are minor things i felt:

this was a revenge movie . pure and simple. the last movie was a revenge movie. the next movie will probably be a revenge movie with the klingons . matter fact i felt a lot of movies Ive seen lately have been big budget "revenge" movies. i feel like I'm living in the 1970's Blaxploitation or Chinese martial art movie era or something. We're bullshitting and need to move on from this. It's like these movie are trying to get to our human instinct side with these passion driven revenge flicks. what does any of us know about revenge really?. Ok off my philosophy soap box.


1)I dont like how they shoehorned old spock in this movie. like they had dude on speed dial or something..you know, just case things get REALLY out of hand and need advice.

2)I'm glad I found out Khan was in the movie cause I would have flipped out. They made him a super sayian. I actually like it. he got out the spock pinch hold like a boss should. I couldn't grasp though, was he a super engineered race with human emotions and ..human traits..but didnt bleed and had no emotions.... but you could easily get through his highly engineered skin to get to his blood ..? I dont know.

3)I didnt full comprehend how big the USS Vengeance was until it hit San Fransisco. (every one in the city wears smoke gray colored clothes all day. LOL). The Federation would have been banned after that. YOUR big ass secret military ship falls out the sky and wrecks half a popular city? You can't even explain that well even if you told the truth. and then they had the audacity to have a mock funeral after that scene. Hilarious.

4)they need to work on their "beaming up" people technology. because that shit has no rules to when you can and can't do it.

5)Klingon?...they cant be serious with those wicked witch of the west's soldiers. just bring me the Borg. I want to see this timeline take on this


overall I liked it. funnier than I thought it would be. a lot of excitement and people jumping off high things

[Edited on May 26, 2013 at 2:51 AM. Reason : ff]

5/26/2013 2:47:32 AM

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"1)I dont like how they shoehorned old spock in this movie. like they had dude on speed dial or something..you know, just case things get REALLY out of hand and need advice."

I didn't see it as being shoehorned.. nor all that crazy. A much older version of you who has lived a timeline somewhat altered from yours exists. There's a good chance they would have encountered some of the same things that you will encounter. I'd rely on that person if I encountered something like this in a heart beat. It's not quite "like they had dude on speed dial." They contacted the planet that his species is using to start over. That aside, i'm sure he'd find it only logical that if the Enterprise was contacting him, it must be very important and urgent. Idk, it makes sense to utilize that resource to me.

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"2)I'm glad I found out Khan was in the movie cause I would have flipped out. They made him a super sayian. I actually like it. he got out the spock pinch hold like a boss should. I couldn't grasp though, was he a super engineered race with human emotions and ..human traits..but didnt bleed and had no emotions.... but you could easily get through his highly engineered skin to get to his blood ..? I dont know."

It's tough to figure out exactly what you're trying to say there. There was nothing to suggest that he didn't bleed at all, his skin was impenetrable, or that he didn't have emotions. If anything, it was quite clear that he DID have emotions considering his motives for everything he did.

[Edited on May 26, 2013 at 2:36 PM. Reason : .]

5/26/2013 2:33:45 PM

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"I didn't see it as being shoehorned.. nor all that crazy. A much older version of you who has lived a timeline somewhat altered from yours exists. There's a good chance they would have encountered some of the same things that you will encounter. I'd rely on that person if I encountered something like this in a heart beat. It's not quite "like they had dude on speed dial." They contacted the planet that his species is using to start over. That aside, i'm sure he'd find it only logical that if the Enterprise was contacting him, it must be very important and urgent. Idk, it makes sense to utilize that resource to me. "

naw dawg. it was shoehorned. that just wanted leonard nimoy in the film. I get it. you should get it. it's fan service. they didnt contact old spock in a heartbeat. shit had already hit the fan 10x over. And old spock went out of way to tell them that he promised not to interfere by giving them information. ...then what good are you old spock?



It felt like khan was a unstoppable cold calculating robot one minute and the next a sad sap talking about his crew. He was playing a victim being used by the Federation one minute and then we learn he wants to wipe out everyone that's not a superior race. the range of the character was everywhere. I got his motive. the same old revenge thing.

5/26/2013 4:28:00 PM

^his range was everywhere because he was trying to manipulate the crew to get HIS crew back. You think he was going to tell Kirk, "I'm going to kill you, give me my crew!" seriously?

Also, the only thing that was "shoehorned" was having the admiral's daughter get half naked. What was the point of that really? The old spock told them that he would not interfere, but he kind of did by saying that he did end up stopping Khan all the while losing something.

5/26/2013 5:16:30 PM

Even without that scene, her role in this movie is pretty much the definition of gratuitous.

An OK popcorn flick; not a good movie.

5/26/2013 6:35:00 PM

but CAROL MARCUS

5/26/2013 6:42:01 PM

And now Genesis might come to be under completely different circumstances, David's death could be avoided, Kirk's feelings towards Klingons might not come to be so dark, and then "Undiscovered Country" never happens.

The best Trek film could be completely negated

5/27/2013 6:40:21 AM

if you think that way, the entire trek series has been completely negated (of course not exactly because the prime timeline co-exists with this alternate timeline.)

5/27/2013 7:27:42 AM

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"although Im still trying to figure out how the alternate universe transformed Khan from an Indian to a Brit, but whatever."

Really? You're going to nit-pick and accent? How about the fact that Klingon's resembled TNG Klingon's, when ENT makes it clear that the ridges on their head is a mutation from a virus, when we all know the reason Klingon's look human in TOS is because of the budget. How's that for nit-picking?

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"this was a revenge movie . pure and simple. the last movie was a revenge movie. the next movie will probably be a revenge movie with the klingons . matter fact i felt a lot of movies Ive seen lately have been big budget "revenge" movies. i feel like I'm living in the 1970's Blaxploitation or Chinese martial art movie era or something. We're bullshitting and need to move on from this. It's like these movie are trying to get to our human instinct side with these passion driven revenge flicks. what does any of us know about revenge really?. Ok off my philosophy soap box. "

Well, The Wrath of Khan was a revenge movie too! This was a loose (very loose) remake of the Wrath of Khan to me. It makes sense that it would be a revenge movie in that respect.

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"1)I dont like how they shoehorned old spock in this movie. like they had dude on speed dial or something..you know, just case things get REALLY out of hand and need advice. "

I can see why someone wouldn't like it.

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"2)I'm glad I found out Khan was in the movie cause I would have flipped out. They made him a super sayian. I actually like it. he got out the spock pinch hold like a boss should. I couldn't grasp though, was he a super engineered race with human emotions and ..human traits..but didnt bleed and had no emotions.... but you could easily get through his highly engineered skin to get to his blood ..? I dont know. "

Well, the original Khan was a "super sayian." Khan was a genetically engineered human, designed to be smarter, faster and more ruthless. It was clear that he had emotions, just no regard for the crew of the Enterprise. Khan was a product of the Eugenic Wars some 200 years before this movie, in which the genetically engineered humans tried taking over Earth, for which they were banished for it. Unfortunately this aspect was never went into detail for, and I assume that this aspect is the same in this movie as it was in TOS, considering the events of the Eugenic Wars precede the rift in space and time as present in the first movie.

As to Khan not bleeding. It looked like he was bleeding when Spock was kicking his ass. Kirk just wasn't strong enough to do anything to him, whereas Spock is half Vulcans, and Vulcans are stronger than Humans.

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"3)I didnt full comprehend how big the USS Vengeance was until it hit San Fransisco. (every one in the city wears smoke gray colored clothes all day. LOL). The Federation would have been banned after that. YOUR big ass secret military ship falls out the sky and wrecks half a popular city? You can't even explain that well even if you told the truth. and then they had the audacity to have a mock funeral after that scene. Hilarious."

It wasn't a "mock funeral." They were re-christening the Enterprise, after what I assume to be extensive repairs to the ship.

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"4)they need to work on their "beaming up" people technology. because that shit has no rules to when you can and can't do it."

It's not "rules." Basically interference makes it impossible to beam people up. It's basically a plot device. It was in TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT and it will continue to be a plot device. It would suck if they could beam anyone, anywhere, anytime regardless of circumstances.

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"Now that the Enterprise has started the 5-year mission, I wonder if there will be more references to original series episodes in the next film. The one thing I never understood is how the Federation knew so much about Romulans dispite the fact that the Enterprise under Kirk were the first ones to see them in the original series. Even the crew of the Kelvin seemed to know what they were, so it had nothing to do with the timeline change."

Kirk was the first to see them, not the first to interact with them. And of course Vulcans knew of Romulans very well too (for what should be obvious reasons). Considering the close ties Vulcans had with Humans, especially after the first contact, it makes sense that there would be an exchange of knowledge on Romulans (of course skewed against Romulans).

5/27/2013 9:16:06 PM

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" Really? You're going to nit-pick and accent? How about the fact that Klingon's resembled TNG Klingon's, when ENT makes it clear that the ridges on their head is a mutation from a virus, when we all know the reason Klingon's look human in TOS is because of the budget. How's that for nit-picking?"

That was a comment on the ben.kingsley in Enders Game. Twas just a joke calm down

5/27/2013 10:23:12 PM

You missed the .

I was also just fucking with you.

5/27/2013 10:57:20 PM

So if Khan is 300 years old, doesn't that mean he's over 50 years old right now, in 2013?

[Edited on May 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM. Reason : Maybe he's some kind of secret Nazi experiment? Like an evil Captain America]

5/27/2013 11:19:51 PM

Yeah. Something like that. The Eugenics War happened in the early-mid 90s...

5/27/2013 11:50:37 PM

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"Kirk was the first to see them, not the first to interact with them. And of course Vulcans knew of Romulans very well too (for what should be obvious reasons). Considering the close ties Vulcans had with Humans, especially after the first contact, it makes sense that there would be an exchange of knowledge on Romulans (of course skewed against Romulans)."

The captain of the Kelvin knew who they were and had no shock as to their appearance, the way Kirk did when he saw how much they resembled Vulcans. When they first appeared on TOS, Spock said they possibly shared a common ancestor based on appearance, they didn't previously know they looked alike.

5/28/2013 3:47:46 AM

maybe he was thrown off by the facial tattoos?

or the fact that they had just appeared out of nowhere and ass raped his ship? that would make the "oh, these guys look similar to vulcans" surprise a little less shocking by comparison.

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"Yeah. Something like that. The Eugenics War happened in the early-mid 90s... "

yeah you don't remember that? nc was a major contributor to the effort...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_Board_of_North_Carolina

[Edited on May 28, 2013 at 7:50 AM. Reason : ]

5/28/2013 7:45:29 AM