not reading this thread but guns are for pussies

You can easily defend your home with a chainsaw.

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1/30/2013 3:03:35 PM

^^^I agree the mentally ill and criminal shouldn't get access to guns. But because you think the argument is lame doesn't discount the fact that someone seeking to do harm to people will find a way.

^^The problem with the blanket "you can shoot people on your property" laws is that you get idiots who come out of their front door guns blazing when someone pulls in their driveway to turn around (or in the case of recent news, gets sent to the wrong house via gps.

1/30/2013 3:10:09 PM

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"instead of actual information?"

The NRA will lobby against funding studies to find/track where guns that commit crimes come from.. so yea all I have is a gut feel and the NRA saying "oh no don't look into that it might be damaging for our cause"

[Edited on January 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM. Reason : .]

1/30/2013 3:14:28 PM

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"But because you think the argument is lame doesn't discount the fact that someone seeking to do harm to people will find a way."

So you truly feel that if everyone who has gone on a murder spree, especially the recent school and theatre massacres, if they didn't have easy access to guns, they still would have found a way to perform the same actions with the same results? You think the Lanza-kid would have woken up that morning, killed his mother, gone to the school and killed 26 kids if he didn't have a gun? Maybe so, but do you truly feel that maybe even a few of the massacres might be prevented if the loonies couldn't get a hold of a gun?

[Edited on January 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM. Reason : ]

1/30/2013 3:21:17 PM

Speculation like that is useless because we'll never know. I can tell you that sick people throughout history have gone on rampages without guns. Maybe because they didn't know how to get one, maybe because they just wanted to do it a different way.

1/30/2013 3:27:35 PM

ok, but you're speculating too, you know

[Edited on January 30, 2013 at 3:42 PM. Reason : ]

1/30/2013 3:35:59 PM

Dearest AstralEngine,

You are embarrassing yourself. Just stop.

Love,
Seth H. LeDown

1/30/2013 3:46:17 PM

I'm going by the fact that people have been hurting each other in all manner of ways since recorded time. There will be a new weapon of choice just as soon as one gets taken away.

1/30/2013 3:46:26 PM

YES, LIKE ROCKS AND STICKS

[Edited on January 30, 2013 at 3:49 PM. Reason : DON'T BAN ONE CLASS OF DANGEROUS THINGS BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER DANGEROUS THINGS]

[Edited on January 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM. Reason : t]

1/30/2013 3:48:59 PM

haha, settledown said the same thing to me when i was arguing that u.s. citizens should have the right to own weapons for home defense.

1/30/2013 3:49:41 PM

oh shit, did I really do that?

I def belong in Chit Chat

1/30/2013 3:50:57 PM

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.drsforamerica.org/images/GunviolenceResearch_FINAL.pdf

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"American children less than 15 years old are 12 times more likely to be killed by a firearm than children in other industrialized countries."

1/30/2013 8:36:47 PM

If you want to save children, ban swimming pools. They kill way more kids than guns according to the CDC.

1/30/2013 9:14:33 PM

yeah! let's ban heart disease while we're at it!

fucking idiot

1/30/2013 10:21:09 PM

^^there's a difference between accidental death and pre-meditated murder :3

1/30/2013 10:21:18 PM

no there isn't! death is death and we all die so we shouldn't try to die less!!!!!

1/30/2013 10:23:04 PM

Time to ban GPS devices and immigrants.

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"Man Fatally Shot After GPS Takes Him to Wrong House Rodrigo Diaz, a 22-year-old Georgia man, was shot and killed after his GPS device directed him to the wrong house, his friends who were with him at the time of the shooting claim. Diaz and the others in his car were trying to pick up a friend to go ice skating Saturday night. However, Diaz's friends say his GPS device mistakenly led him to the home of 69-year-old Phillip Sailors. Sailors, mistaking the situation for a home invasion, appeared outside of his home with a .22-caliber handgun. He fired one round in the air then another at the car while Diaz was attempting to speed away. The second shot hit Diaz in the head and he later died as a result, according to WSBTV. "The guy came out," 15-year-old passenger Yeson Jimenez told WSBTV. "He went in again and he came out with a gun in his hand and he shot into the air." Diaz had recently arrived in the United States from Colombia. Sailors, a Vietnam War veteran, was arrested Sunday on a charge of malice murder, or murder committed with the specific intent to kill. He has no previous criminal history. His lawyers told WSBTV that Sailors is innocent and was merely trying to defend his home and his family. "We maintain Mr. Sailors' innocence. I can tell you Mr. Sailors most certainly thought he was defending his life, his wife's and protecting his home," attorney Mike Puglise said."

http://mashable.com/2013/01/30/man-shot-gps/

1/30/2013 11:11:22 PM

^That's against the law

Surprise! The law didn't stop bad shit from happening

1/30/2013 11:36:24 PM

what an ignorant short term view

legislation that reduces the total number of guns in circulation over time and enacts strict requirements that must be met by all gun owners with no exceptions will reduce the number of guns owned by bad guys while likely not depriving good guys of the guns they need to defend their homes

that's some long term shit

keep chirping about signs and automotive deaths and "bad guys not caring about the law"

[Edited on January 30, 2013 at 11:47 PM. Reason : s]

1/30/2013 11:47:17 PM

^bad guys don't care about the law

1/31/2013 12:48:09 AM

^ if that were true, crime rates would be more or less the same across all societies.

1/31/2013 1:10:12 AM

Let's ban people. Problem solved.

1/31/2013 1:21:18 AM

People that cling to the dated 2nd amendment are like the same people that didn't want to outlaw slavery because of State's Rights.

1/31/2013 1:28:07 AM

dead kids in schools - the NRA built that

1/31/2013 6:44:51 AM

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"legislation that reduces the total number of guns in circulation over time and enacts strict requirements that must be met by all gun owners with no exceptions will reduce the number of guns owned by bad guys while likely not depriving good guys of the guns they need to defend their homes "

how do you reduce the total # of guns? i am sure we are making them way faster than the cops can take them from the bad guys

1/31/2013 6:53:13 AM

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"Never said that. Never even came close to saying that. You have to be intentionally obtuse to not realize fewer guns means fewer stolen guns (often used in crimes). Go kick rocks in flip flops, Thx. "

You have to be intentionally obtuse to not realize that the market is already saturated with guns. The government will never be able to reduce the number of guns out there, but they may be able to slow down the number of illegal firearms available to criminals by stalling the number introduced into circulation. The fact is that there are already a shit ton of guns in America and it will be a cold day in hell before the government forces people to turn in there guns. So from that we can deduce that the number of guns in circulation will not be reduced, thus criminals will always have guns.

1/31/2013 9:06:20 AM

raping mothers and sisters - settledown likes this

1/31/2013 9:13:56 AM

over time it is possible to reduce the number of guns in circulation

fuck this "the cat's already out of the bag" argument

all transfers of gun ownership should require a background check and registration and grandfathered guns should not be eligible for transfer

[Edited on January 31, 2013 at 9:17 AM. Reason : t]

1/31/2013 9:15:46 AM

What the fuck, sparky? Are you illiterate? What the shit do you think I meant by using using legislation to limit who can acquire a gun, thereby reducing the number of guns in circulation?


I think I'm going to need you to go back and read....instead of making up shit that literally no one said, so that you can argue with yourself.


Rocks....flip flops....get on it.

1/31/2013 9:38:47 AM

We need an AR-15 to protect us from the government! You'll wish you had one when they come with one of these!

1/31/2013 10:55:46 AM

My feelings are as follows...

I'm not currently convinced our government is looking after our best interests as much as they are the interests of giant cooperation.

For example
All these mandatory crash tests you think are to make you a safer driver were actually put in place by lobbyists from the big three intentionally making it difficult for a new small company to start, and making foreign car companies have to pay to test their cars here or re-design their cars...
Some of us would risk a lively fun deathtrap with high mpg but we're not offered this anymore because the majority of the country feels we should have a nanny preventing us from doing so.

Now, on to guns....

The 2nd amendment wasn't put there so we could hunt and bring food home to our family. It was an extra check/balance in our government. So when the British became oppressive the first thing they did was take away free press (note amendment 1) the second thing they did is try to remove all guns from colonists (note amendment 2)

“When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.”

? Thomas Jefferson

Now you pansies are worried about the 1 in 20,000 chance you'll be murdered this year so much that you're willing to give up your right to defend yourself against the murderer... it's fucking stupid. Not to mention one of the reasons no one has ever attacked the continental us is because they all think we're cowboys with 6 shooters over seas... (travel some you'll figure it out) that everyone has guns and we might as well just be one big army.

I don't know it just makes me sad that you think outlawing guns will really stop anything... I'm down for better screening... i'm down for every transfer having to be done by an FFL... He'll i'd even be down for mandatory annual training (that may give some insight into a person's mental state) but outlawing a gun because mean people use it for bad things?? fuck that and fuck those who think its the right thing to do. Next goes fast cars... private aviation is on it's way out the door... fast boats will be next then we'll just be a bunch of boring vanilla suburban douches with no life and no form of expression with so much pent up anger the homicide rate will skyrocket.

1/31/2013 11:17:11 AM

I think that if my government wanted to oppress me, there is nothing that me and my safe full of guns could really do about it.
Additionally, if Russia wanted to come onto U.S. soil and take over, if the United States government could not stop them, I don't think my safe full of guns (or my neighborhood militia) could stop them either.


Shrug.




If I set up a bunch of booby traps like in Home Alone, I might have a fighting chance though.

[Edited on January 31, 2013 at 11:32 AM. Reason : no one can fuck with some greased up stairs]

1/31/2013 11:30:14 AM

ITT we find out HOOPS thinks an F-22 is the method of choice for going door to door rounding up firearms.

1/31/2013 11:32:18 AM

That's an F-35 I think.

1/31/2013 11:36:03 AM

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"all transfers of gun ownership should require a background check and registration and grandfathered guns should not be eligible for transfer"

NC state law already requires a permit to buy in order to go through with a private sale (that includes a background check) and the record of the sale and registration are supposed to be kept by the seller for several years.

Now how in the fuck do you expect the government to enforce that?

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"^ if that were true, crime rates would be more or less the same across all societies."

No. The worldwide crime rate can be affected by a myriad of sociological factors included but not limited to the regional outlooks on certain types of crime, family, freedom, ownership, etc. Worldwide, however, the people who commit crimes do share a common trait: they disregard the law.

[Edited on January 31, 2013 at 11:42 AM. Reason : ]

1/31/2013 11:39:52 AM

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"That's an F-35 I think."

You're right. The image is so big I can only see about 6 inches of the plane at a time.

1/31/2013 11:45:42 AM

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"What the shit do you think I meant by using using legislation to limit who can acquire a gun, thereby reducing the number of guns in circulation?"

we already have legislation that limits who can acquire a gun.

also, congrats on reducing yourself to character attacks instead of using data to support your argument.

really, this is what pisses me of the most about this whole gun issue. both sides are issuing emotional responses instead of data supported decisions. please explain to me how new laws will reduce the total number of guns in circulation. if anything this whole "they gunna take 'er guns" mentality has created a buying frenzy that is increasing the number of guns in circulation.

1/31/2013 11:54:11 AM

Heh, if instead of actually reading, you're going to just inject your fantasy arguments having little to do with the actual dialog, I think its fair to call you a jackhole.

K?

Word. Good talk.

1/31/2013 12:02:21 PM

Dude fuck you! I've read what you said. I don't know of any other way to interpret what you said here..

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"but that kind of lends strength to the idea that reducing the number of guns anywhere would reduce the number of gun related crimes everywhere."

...then that reducing the number of guns in circulation will reduce the number of gun related crimes. I do not disagree with you there. What I have simply asked is what do you propose to reduce the number of guns in circulation now. All you have suggested is legislation that limits who can purchase a gun and I'm telling you those laws are already in place. So what other ideas do you have?

1/31/2013 12:17:37 PM

I have as much fun shooting my guns at paper as i do driving my car well above the posted speed limit...

i don't do one of these because it's not safe. i regularly participate in the other...

1/31/2013 12:37:35 PM

In addition to reading comprehension, you seem to be having trouble remembering what you said from one post to the next.

Would you like some assistance?

1/31/2013 12:39:48 PM

yes please...answer a simple question. i'll restate it for you...

HOW DO YOU PROPOSE WE REDUCE THE CURRENT NUMBER OF GUNS IN CIRCULATION THUS IN TURN REDUCING GUN VIOLENCE?

1/31/2013 12:42:34 PM

MAGIC!

1/31/2013 1:13:34 PM

the anti's seem to think if a person is turned down for a sale that gun ceases to exist and said person will not buy a black market gun

1/31/2013 1:43:59 PM

Hey EMCE just to give you a had i'm going to post every one of your post and my posts in chronological order so you can see who has reading comprehension problems and how much of a total dick you are being.

EMCE

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"So as the NRA testifies in front of congress today, another story emerges about a high school student who played for the inauguration was recently gunned down in Chicago while seeking shelter from the rain. I suppose the NRA would contend that this 17 year old should have had a pistol to protect herself."

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"So....a crime committed by a handgun that is most likely not legal to possess. Not arguing one way or another, but that kind of lends strength to the idea that reducing the number of guns anywhere would reduce the number of gun related crimes everywhere."

Sparky

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"do you think criminals are just going to give up their guns?"

Notice i did't say you said criminals would give up their guns I just asked if you believed that?

EMCE

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"Never said that. Never even came close to saying that. You have to be intentionally obtuse to not realize fewer guns means fewer stolen guns (often used in crimes). Go kick rocks in flip flops, Thx."

what a dick! also i never said you said that

Sparky

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"You have to be intentionally obtuse to not realize that the market is already saturated with guns. The government will never be able to reduce the number of guns out there, but they may be able to slow down the number of illegal firearms available to criminals by stalling the number introduced into circulation. The fact is that there are already a shit ton of guns in America and it will be a cold day in hell before the government forces people to turn in there guns. So from that we can deduce that the number of guns in circulation will not be reduced, thus criminals will always have guns."

EMCE

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"What the fuck, sparky? Are you illiterate? What the shit do you think I meant by using using legislation to limit who can acquire a gun, thereby reducing the number of guns in circulation? I think I'm going to need you to go back and read....instead of making up shit that literally no one said, so that you can argue with yourself. Rocks....flip flops....get on it."

where did you say anything about legislation prior to this post? also who is making shit up? total dick move.

Sparky

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"we already have legislation that limits who can acquire a gun. also, congrats on reducing yourself to character attacks instead of using data to support your argument. really, this is what pisses me of the most about this whole gun issue. both sides are issuing emotional responses instead of data supported decisions. please explain to me how new laws will reduce the total number of guns in circulation. if anything this whole "they gunna take 'er guns" mentality has created a buying frenzy that is increasing the number of guns in circulation."

EMCE

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"Heh, if instead of actually reading, you're going to just inject your fantasy arguments having little to do with the actual dialog, I think its fair to call you a jackhole. K? Word. Good talk."

Way to ignore my request for real suggestions and another opportunity to be a dick

Sparky

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"Dude fuck you! I've read what you said. I don't know of any other way to interpret what you said here..then that reducing the number of guns in circulation will reduce the number of gun related crimes. I do not disagree with you there. What I have simply asked is what do you propose to reduce the number of guns in circulation now. All you have suggested is legislation that limits who can purchase a gun and I'm telling you those laws are already in place. So what other ideas do you have?"

EMCE

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"In addition to reading comprehension, you seem to be having trouble remembering what you said from one post to the next. Would you like some assistance?"

still ignoring my question and being a dick

Sparky

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"yes please...answer a simple question. i'll restate it for you... HOW DO YOU PROPOSE WE REDUCE THE CURRENT NUMBER OF GUNS IN CIRCULATION THUS IN TURN REDUCING GUN VIOLENCE?"

NO RESPONSE FROM EMCE!!!

1/31/2013 2:09:12 PM

troll'd

1/31/2013 3:48:47 PM

1/31/2013 3:52:05 PM

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"BREAKING NEWS: A 14-YEAR-OLD STUDENT WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD AT AN ATLANTA MIDDLE SCHOOL, LOCAL AUTHORITIES TELL THE ASSOCIATED PRESS."

1/31/2013 3:56:33 PM

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"Student caught with handgun at Athens Drive High School"

1/31/2013 3:58:34 PM

1/31/2013 4:02:46 PM