wow, dude. literally the biggest upset in primary and you think it's not a big deal? lmao

3/9/2016 10:59:20 PM

if/when he wins OH, PA, FL, NY, CA, etc I will read a lot more into it. Calling it an "upset" doesn't change the total delegate count, but I guess if it makes you feel better, congratulations?

3/9/2016 11:01:47 PM

every legitimate publication has called it historical and a turning point in this election, including 538

as i've been saying, the more people see bernie, the more they like him. the numbers will continue to reflect what happened in michigan.

i'm convinced you actually want hillary to win at this point

3/9/2016 11:03:36 PM

it's a sample size of ONE. it may be indicative of a fundamental shift, or it could have simply been faulty polling. really hard to say right now, but I personally don't see it as that big of a deal.

i get that you want me to love Bernie as much as you do, but I don't.

3/9/2016 11:06:03 PM

Yeah he "won" Michigan, but delegate wise it's essentially a tie.

3/9/2016 11:48:38 PM

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"every legitimate publication has called it historical and a turning point in this election, including 538"

Imma need to see some links, especially with this "every" talk.

Historical? Maybe. Turning point? FOH mane. You call something a turning point after the fact, not before.

3/9/2016 11:51:51 PM

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"Calling it an "upset" doesn't change the total delegate count"

Why the fuck is upset in quotes though? It was a huge upset, albeit one that probably won't matter in the long run.

3/9/2016 11:54:14 PM

do you really need someone to google how historical of an upset it was? that headline has been everywhere, how did you miss it?

3/10/2016 8:19:11 AM

yooooouge upset

[Edited on March 10, 2016 at 8:58 AM. Reason : .]

3/10/2016 8:57:26 AM

^

3/10/2016 9:00:37 AM

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"Imma need to see some links, especially with this "every" talk. Historical? Maybe. Turning point? FOH mane. You call something a turning point after the fact, not before."

Same. Most sites I read like WaPo, Vox, etc have all said it was a yooooouge surprise, but it doesn't change much and that Sanders is still unlikely to win.

3/10/2016 11:27:56 AM

A huge upset victory is historical in terms of polling data and predictions, does not necessarily mean anything regarding the actual election.

When asked if this makes a big difference in terms of anything at all, Nate Silver's answer was "I don't think so"

3/10/2016 11:33:48 AM

it changes thingas because some of the states where Clinton was polling ahead are now in question

3/10/2016 11:43:23 AM

Are they? Do you have a crystal ball that we don't? ONE is a pretty small sample size. I mean it's bigger than zero, but still.

3/10/2016 11:48:28 AM

Michigan isn't the first time, just the worst, it shows that they need to fix their demographic assumptions which calls other states into questions where clinton is polling with a similar lead

3/10/2016 12:08:22 PM

That's at least partly true. The Clinton margins of victory have been pretty far off. Open primary states are always going to be hard to predict, but it looks like the pollsters haven't been able to correctly predict the demographics of the people voting in the primaries.

3/10/2016 5:15:30 PM

To be fair, they were way off in all of the southern states as well. Bernie was never down by 50 to 70 in a poll.

3/10/2016 7:36:36 PM

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"Yeah he "won" Michigan, but delegate wise it's essentially a tie."

And yet Hillary supporters still made huge deals out of Iowa, Nevada, and Massachusetts.

3/11/2016 11:46:27 AM

likely because there was a growing consensus that Bernie was going to win those three states

3/11/2016 12:22:11 PM

nah the media narrative was that he "needed" to win those states

3/11/2016 12:23:58 PM

calling it a narrative is disingenuous. if anything, the results to date have showed that he absolutely needed to win those states, and by a large margin.

3/11/2016 12:26:42 PM

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"And yet Hillary supporters still made huge deals out of Iowa, Nevada, and Massachusetts."

Doesn't make what I said inaccurate

[Edited on March 11, 2016 at 2:11 PM. Reason : V I think you meant Bernie Supporters instead of Everyone Else, but I getcha]

3/11/2016 1:55:07 PM

I'm just pointing out the perpetual Hillary spin machine.

Clinton Supporters: Bernie can't win in November!

Everyone else: The polls are showing he is more electable than Hillary against every republican candidate.

Clinton Supporters: But look at how many states she's won!

Everyone else: All of those states will vote republican in November. And state "wins" don't matter, only delegates.

Clinton Supporters: Oh? Well look at the polling for upcoming states!

Everyone else: Bernie was down in the polls in Colorado, Oklahoma, and Nebraska...then he won.

Clinton Supporters: But Bernie can't win in big states that matter! See what happened in Massachusetts?

Everyone else: Except Bernie just won Michigan and is looking strong in the midwest.

Clinton Supporters: Well in that case, individual state "wins" don't matter.

3/11/2016 2:05:20 PM

Clinton needs to answer what she will do if indicted, that is something that voters deserve to know

3/11/2016 2:36:12 PM

But only after all of the republican candidates have done the same.

3/11/2016 2:44:53 PM

"its not gonna happen"

just like bill didn't get impeached

3/11/2016 2:47:35 PM

^^ lol

3/11/2016 3:14:32 PM

i just want to let you know the irony of bernie posters doing a little shit talking in a clinton thread is not lost on me.

no fuck off's.

no ad hominem attacks.

no requesting bans.

3/11/2016 3:34:55 PM

Consider yourself officially called out!

3/11/2016 3:40:39 PM

^^ Nobody's trolling ITT as you've admitted to doing in the Bernie thread

3/11/2016 4:19:10 PM

Hillary Clinton just tried to pretend like Nancy Reagan fought against HIV/AIDS and totally ignore that the Reagan administration was inexcusably silent on the issue

3/11/2016 4:29:55 PM

I honestly don't care about the e-mails and I don't think poorly of her for Benghazi as that was a tough situation with no right answers.

What I don't like is her laughing when asked serious questions, saying "I will do everything I can" without ever saying what it is she can do, and pandering to minority voters when she so obviously does not have their best interests in mind (and that's a judgement of her policies, not of her as a person).

A friend of mine who works backstage at a venue where she spoke a few weeks ago told me that she has a staff person who literally sets her smile before she goes on stage. This person adjusts Hillary's face into an expression so she walks on stage looking exactly how she needs to. That's why (or one of many reasons) she feels so fake.

[Edited on March 11, 2016 at 6:22 PM. Reason : -]

3/11/2016 6:22:08 PM

Come on man that sounds like something straight from Snopes

3/11/2016 6:54:05 PM

Does your friend know that other guys FBI uncle?

3/11/2016 7:24:29 PM

she apologized for the AIDs remarks and said she "misspoke".

it makes sense that she wouldn't share the outrage against the reagans regarding AIDs since she didn't become a "champion" of lgbt rights until the 2000s.

[Edited on March 11, 2016 at 7:54 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2016 7:54:40 PM

^ she's far from a champion now, and she didn't support gay marriage, close to the entry point for LGBT right, until 2013.

3/11/2016 7:58:55 PM

oh fully aware here. hence the quotes.

if she had actually cared about gay people in the 80s, she would not have "misspoke"

3/11/2016 7:59:55 PM

I just don't see how you abruptly change your stance on gay marriage.

3/11/2016 8:00:52 PM

well to be fair people do flip their positions. my parents flipped around the same time.

the question is was it political or because she actually had a change of heart?

either way, Human Rights Campaign should not have endorsed her over someone with a much longer history of support.

3/11/2016 8:02:39 PM

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"A friend of mine who works backstage at a venue where she spoke a few weeks ago told me that she has a staff person who literally sets her smile before she goes on stage. This person adjusts Hillary's face into an expression so she walks on stage looking exactly how she needs to. That's why (or one of many reasons) she feels so fake."

are you sure your friend isn't just something you read on reddit?

[Edited on March 12, 2016 at 11:06 AM. Reason : .]

3/12/2016 11:04:40 AM

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"That's why (or one of many reasons) she feels is so fake."

3/12/2016 11:32:41 AM

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"I just don't see how you abruptly change your stance on gay marriage."

this is the reason why we're all so fucked right now. even when someone changes or compromises, they get labeled as wrong.

people change, for better or worse. my dad, who was a socialist in college and used to hang vietnamese flags at ROTC parades, is now a republican. he used to protest against the KKK in rural North Carolina - even getting a shotgun put up to his head as the klan told him to go home. now he believes that marriage should be for straight people only.

it's heartbreaking to see him think such things in his older age, but it doesn't make me feel any less love to him. i understand people change as their ideals change with them.

to look at someone who supports equal rights for LGBT and say "BUT THEY DIDN'T DO IT X YEARS AGO" is a shitty thing to do. We should be thankful for every single person who aligns their views with civil rights

i would much rather have someone like clinton change her mind and adapt a new stance than an ideologue like bernie who is so wrapped up in hating wall street that it impacts everything he says or does.

i want someone in the white house who can compromise and work across the aisle. hillary is that person, bernie is not.

3/12/2016 3:28:16 PM

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"i want someone in the white house who can compromise and work across the aisle. hillary is that person, bernie is not."

sanders is known for working across the aisle, though. he's gotten praise from many republicans, including marco rubio in the last debate. i think you're mistaken if you think he won't compromise at all. i'd rather have someone who starts high and works down than someone who starts near the middle and ends up with some garbage like the ACA.

and disagreement on that point aside, if "getting things done" means lying constantly and flipping your positions when politically convenient, i'd rather remain in a standstill and push true progressive ideals into the public sphere.

[Edited on March 12, 2016 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2016 4:14:46 PM

fuck's sake

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272790-sanders-spokesperson-fires-back-at-clinton-for-healthcare

3/12/2016 4:16:17 PM

^^ wasn't sanders an independent too? he's about as work-across-the-aisle as you can get i would think.

3/12/2016 7:07:31 PM

^^ that is pure fucking gold. I love this election so much.

3/12/2016 7:37:37 PM

Clinton campaign "getting things done" at the Iowa and Colorado county conventions

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4a65i9/supporters_of_bernie_sanders_and_hillary_clinton/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4a60lr/i_need_help_from_somebody_whos_familiar_with_the/

3/12/2016 7:58:04 PM

fuck's sake? one picture doesn't prove anything. Bernie was on the sidelines of the Clinton healthcare, because...shocker...he couldn't compromise from his ideology. he wanted single-payer and clinton knew that was an impossible ask. clinton did have a couple of meetings with sanders. and even traveled to vermont to meet with him and do some public appearances.

this politico article from last june should give you a better idea of how little bernie worked with clinton on healthcare. you can say he wanted to do more, but clearly their approaches were opposed to one another

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-119082

[Edited on March 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2016 8:55:21 PM

bernie is the left's version of ted cruz. I agree with you on that.

3/12/2016 9:34:07 PM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-2016-whats-wrong-with-hillary-213722

It's amazing how easy the democrats could keep the presidency if they put up someone halfway likable

3/14/2016 11:01:45 AM