I've thought a great deal about it and I've decided that I don't think Smath did anything wrong or deserves to be put on blast. After all he is on the football team does have 80,000 posts and a solid reputation

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3/18/2013 10:21:00 PM

Apparently Traci Lords is from Steubenville

http://www.mommyish.com/2013/01/08/traci-lords-steubenville-rape/


i'm showing my age here. most of you kids never heard of her.

3/18/2013 10:37:42 PM

Traci is going to take the girl under her wing

3/18/2013 10:53:18 PM

I know who she is

3/18/2013 10:58:23 PM

I know who the UT porn girl is.



I knew about her before I knew what UT was.

3/18/2013 11:44:23 PM

I am also familiar with Traci Lords.

She was on Roseanne.

3/18/2013 11:57:39 PM

I also remember her from Melrose Place. Or was it 90210...?

3/19/2013 12:03:39 AM

These guys are assholes and should be punished but shouldn't the girl be sentenced for underage drinking, being drunk in public and sent to rehab?

3/19/2013 12:34:55 AM

i'm guessing she's been punished enough for drinking, but who's to say?

3/19/2013 12:52:09 AM

then you are saying she deserved to be raped because she was drunk which is not the case.

if i get hit by a drunk driver while driving without insurance nobody is going to say "hes been punished enough"

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM. Reason : k]

3/19/2013 12:55:05 AM

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"I know who the UT porn girl is. "

Me too...know both the guy and the girl.

Went to high school with both of them.

3/19/2013 8:33:14 AM

Slave Famous opinion on the case

http://www.underthegunreview.net/2013/03/18/henry-rollins-comments-on-steubenville-rape-verdict/

3/19/2013 9:40:37 AM

I'm entirely here for pretty much any of Henry Rollins' opinions. I don't necessarily always agree with them (though in this case I do), but I appreciate the excoriated, raw emotion that he somehow calmly imbues into the things he publishes.

3/19/2013 9:51:15 AM

Holy shit. I hate Henry Rollins. I can't watch a fucking documentary on youtube about henry rollins experience with whatever it was in 1980. No one cares.

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3/19/2013 9:51:18 AM

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"These guys are assholes and should be punished but shouldn't the girl be sentenced for underage drinking, being drunk in public and sent to rehab?"

She's already probably going to need years of therapy for being raped and having it be national news for weeks. Get some perspective, asshole, and resist your apparent urge to find some reason to shame or discipline the victim.

3/19/2013 9:52:37 AM

was she passed out because she drunk herself shitfaced or was she drugged?

I don't know about the rest of y'all, but the last time I was literally passed out at a party (not after getting home), I pretty clearly had alcohol poisoning. It's good that I had friends who were trying to shove water down my throat and slapping me in the face, as opposed to sticking things in my anus.

3/19/2013 9:59:54 AM

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"if i get hit by a drunk driver while driving without insurance nobody is going to say "hes been punished enough""

damn this is a good troll

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3/19/2013 10:00:04 AM

It wouldn't matter if she swallowed 10 rufies on the way to the party, absolutely nobody is responsible for rape aside from the rapists, and to an extent the enabling peers who were conscious enough to beat the shit out of those scumbags but chose not to.

[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM. Reason : .]

3/19/2013 10:11:12 AM

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"was she passed out because she drunk herself shitfaced or was she drugged?"

Why does that matter?

3/19/2013 10:25:43 AM

^It doesn't. Depending on what she was wearing

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3/19/2013 10:29:58 AM

^^

I think he was drawing attention to the fact that this is not known to whomever asked why she wasn't being charged with underaged drinking.

3/19/2013 10:31:54 AM

Maybe because she has suffered enough and probably won't be drinking that heavily (for a few months lol)

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3/19/2013 10:33:25 AM

Ehh, you could make an argument that drugging her is more insidious as it means that this was a premeditated malicious act as opposed to a case of taking advantage of an opportunity. Sort of the difference between first degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

I wouldn't have raped her if she hadn't been passed out vs. I drugged her so I could rape her.

Both are pretty fucking evil, but one is pretty clearly more evil.

3/19/2013 10:34:01 AM

Not really, rape is rape. There isn't really a gradient. What you should argue is that both parties were drunk and not in control of their actions then you can discuss which is worse, but everyone is still blaming her for being drunk.

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3/19/2013 10:34:41 AM

3/19/2013 10:38:31 AM

did this get posted yet

http://www.theonion.com/video/college-basketball-star-heroically-overcomes-tragi,19097/

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"College Basketball Star Heroically Overcomes Tragic Rape He Committed Colorado star Jacob Ross faced the biggest obstacle of his life when he committed a shocking and sudden rape. But he found the strength to return to his game like nothing had happened."

3/19/2013 10:47:29 AM

haha @ 2:10 in that video

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3/19/2013 11:04:59 AM

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"Not really, rape is rape. There isn't really a gradient."

This is completely false.

The advocates of this position have done a tremendous disservice to rape survivors. And you should feel bad too. No reasonable person believes in the extreme concept of rape by coercion. If your bf/gf threatens to break up with you if you don't have sex with them, then you have a bad relationship. Not rape. If someone points a gun at you and threatens to kill you if you don't have sex with them, then that's just plain rape.

Yes, drugging someone in order to rape them is worse than raping a drunk girl. Inflicting bodily harm while raping them makes it even worse.

There are people out there who will equate these cases with having consensual sex with a drunk person, because all rape is rape. No, it's not the same. There is no meaningful sense of "equating" these things. They are not equivalent.

3/19/2013 11:07:33 AM

3/19/2013 11:08:06 AM

Any non consensual sex is rape. You can not legally give consent while you are intoxicated.

I don't understand how that is so complex.



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3/19/2013 11:08:57 AM

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"Any non consensual sex is rape. You can not legally give consent while you are intoxicated."

How does the legal definition have anything to do with the atrociousness of an act?

Maybe you assumed that our court system will punish all rapes the same? It doesn't. Even your evidence doesn't agree with your ridiculous position.

3/19/2013 11:13:12 AM

holy fuck you are retarded

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[Edited on March 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM. Reason : SEE BELOW]

3/19/2013 11:15:58 AM

No, you said there is no gradient between rapes.

3/19/2013 11:17:57 AM

Yeah, you did, and that's a pretty indefensible position to take.

3/19/2013 11:18:49 AM

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"Any non consensual sex is rape. You can not legally give consent while you are intoxicated."

So if you're drunk, you can't give consent? So all drunk-sex is rape?

3/19/2013 11:19:54 AM

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"How does the legal definition have anything to do with the atrociousness of an act?"

I didn't say it did

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"Maybe you assumed that our court system will punish all rapes the same? It doesn't. Even your evidence doesn't agree with your ridiculous position."

What evidence? All I'm saying is whether or not the victim chose to be intoxicated doesn't affect that you are taking advantage of them. I never said the punishment is or should be the same.

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"So if you're drunk, you can't give consent? So all drunk-sex is rape?"

kewl u saw my edit


Let me get this straight, you guys all are saying that a rape is not as bad if she chose to get wasted? That she is partially to blame? What is this 1950?

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3/19/2013 11:20:53 AM

This wasn't rape, this is a case of a loose bitch drinking too much and having sex.

Just because she doesn't remember saying yes doesn't mean it didn't happen. She wanted it, that's why she got wet.

3/19/2013 11:23:48 AM

I don't give a shit about this case. Its already over and they're being punished.

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3/19/2013 11:24:49 AM

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"Yeah, you did, and that's a pretty indefensible position to take."

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"So if you're drunk, you can't give consent? So all drunk-sex is rape?"

It's pointless to argue to someone that a word should mean something else. Reasonable feminists will agree with the ridiculousness of two consenting adults raping each other. The alternative of saying that only women can be raped in such a way is literally a misandric position, although some people do hold it. Those people are idiots, that's all.

3/19/2013 11:25:38 AM

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3/19/2013 11:26:50 AM

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Rape Apologists

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3/19/2013 11:29:23 AM

wow - just scrolling through this thread I have come to the following conclusions:

1. someone up here doesn't know what the troll face is & should be banned from tww
2. If you are girl & grow up in Steubenville you gonna gets raped before you are 18.
3. This case is just going to help their economy as all known child molesters will probably move to Steubenville after this.
4. LOL @ this thread.

3/19/2013 11:33:18 AM

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"It wouldn't matter if she swallowed 10 rufies on the way to the party, absolutely nobody is responsible for rape aside from the rapists, and to an extent the enabling peers who were conscious enough to beat the shit out of those scumbags but chose not to. "

truth.

3/19/2013 11:34:29 AM

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"to an extent the enabling peers who were conscious enough to beat the shit out of those scumbags but chose not to."

Good Samaritan laws are immoral

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3/19/2013 11:35:41 AM

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"Rape Apologists"

I have no idea where you got that from. Sometimes you don't seem too bright. You should selectively choose which of your messages you "approve". Especially if you're going to go back and edit it a few minutes later.

3/19/2013 11:42:15 AM

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"There isn't really a gradient."

3/19/2013 11:49:41 AM

To sum this up its not the girls fault that she went to a party with a bunch of football players and got passed out drunk? Yea fucking her while she was sleep was bad, but do yall really think she wasn't gonna fuck them if she didn't get drunk? Not once did this bitch say stop

3/19/2013 11:53:21 AM

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"Some rapes are not that bad"

-Mrfrog

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3/19/2013 11:53:56 AM

All rapes are the same.

-krallum

3/19/2013 11:56:22 AM