oh shit, this thread has gotten ridiculous. talking about $500 meals and surfing and skiing in the same day.

5/31/2013 5:07:55 PM

the fact that it's mostly about California or other cities that are better than Raleigh is

5/31/2013 5:11:58 PM

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"I've eaten at Daniel, Gramercy Tavern, and Momofuku Ko and have never gotten out of there for under $500 when alcohol was not involved and in my opinion that is not affordable for anyone making under 7 figures."

None of those places have anything close to $500 on any of their menus online. Most of them are similar in pricing to what ncsuallday posted. That's not cheap, but quit being an idiot.

5/31/2013 5:13:02 PM

Is Second Empire still open? That place was great when I used to live in Raleigh...

5/31/2013 5:15:43 PM

^^ I meant for two people.

Daniel NYC:

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" Chef’s Tasting Menu Eight Course Tasting $220 Paired with Wine, add $130 "

We had two cocktails @ $30 each plus that and tax was almost $700 with tip. You will not leave full or hammered.

Momofuku Ko:

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" our dinner menu is served seven days a week and is currently $125 per person – please allow at least two hours for your meal. "

Beverage pairing is $95 and includes beer, wine, and hard liquor and tax and tip came to over $500. You leave full and hammered.



[Edited on May 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM. Reason : a]

5/31/2013 5:16:54 PM

If you're spending $120 on four cocktails you're an idiot no matter what city you're in.

5/31/2013 5:19:05 PM

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"I've eaten at Daniel, Gramercy Tavern, and Momofuku Ko and have never gotten out of there for under $500 when alcohol was not involved"

5/31/2013 5:19:11 PM

^ Apologies I was thinking of French Laundry which is now $275 a person and Benu in SF which is $220 or so. I didn't realize NY was so affordable!

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"If you're spending $120 on four cocktails you're an idiot no matter what city you're in. "

But the $16 one doesn't come with spherified strawberries and an extra shot of rum! Besides it was a special occasion (engagement). YOLO

[Edited on May 31, 2013 at 5:23 PM. Reason : a]

5/31/2013 5:20:20 PM

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"It's not my fault he keeps using the word 'amazing' incorrectly. There is nothing exceptional about Raleigh- it's a perfectly fine medium sized Southern city, but calm down."

You realize 'amazing' is subjective, right?

I believe that pretty much every major city including Raleigh is probably pretty 'amazing' unless you're a lazy and/or boring person who is unwilling to explore and embrace what makes them 'amazing' and who subscribes to ridiculous hierarchical thinking with a need to put everything into a fucking huffpo top ten list.



[Edited on May 31, 2013 at 5:29 PM. Reason : i'm not talking about you i'm talking about the intense naysayers]

5/31/2013 5:21:30 PM

I'll surf or ski, Jerry!!!!!!!!

5/31/2013 5:24:51 PM

You seem like one of those guys who is obsessed with a) always being right and b) proving how much better/cooler you are than everyone else. Glad you're not polluting Raleigh with that nonsense.

5/31/2013 5:26:46 PM

^ I am not cool as I should have made abundantly clear, I'm just not content with boredom or the status quo. I have to do new and exciting things or I get depressed. I wish getting hammered in Raleigh was enough, I had it super easy there comparatively.

I guess I should just aspire to this: http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

[Edited on May 31, 2013 at 5:34 PM. Reason : a]

5/31/2013 5:27:20 PM

you'll "get it" one day

5/31/2013 5:37:27 PM

i've eaten at Daniel as well

but i've also eaten at Per Se

Per Se shits on Daniel

5/31/2013 5:49:44 PM

^ Lucky bastard! who did you blow to get that reservation?

5/31/2013 5:53:50 PM

he wouldnt tell me his name

i think this is one of the desserts from Daniel https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/323984_10150315343421533_1646900884_o.jpg

i dont think i have any pics from per se

[Edited on May 31, 2013 at 6:00 PM. Reason : add another note]

5/31/2013 5:57:51 PM

Way off topic, but Daniel Boulud's more casual and affordable restaurant on Bowery, DBGB, is pretty awesome.

5/31/2013 5:57:53 PM

^^^

5/31/2013 5:58:59 PM

Raleigh is pretty average. Decent proximity to things, sports, concerts, bars.

Its biggest strengths are low cost of living with high wages and low crime. I.e very family friendly.

Its weaknesses are pretty glaring.

Restaurants are terrible with only a bare minimum of exceptions. I mean sseriously places like the oxford charge $20-$30 for shit.

The local music scene is worse than just about any city ever. Its so bad most bands just bypass raleigh on the way to Richmond or Charlotte despite its prime route down the southeast.

Transportation is garbage.

There arw probably 50 too many bars which leads to 100+ places that are all dead as shit trying to charge $4 a beer at 10 pm on a Wednesday even though youre the only people in there. Fayetteville and glenwood are just a ghost town bc no one goes out on weekdays so there are barely any specials



The main problem with raleigh though is the people. The women are downright fat and unattractive given the size of the city. A bunch of higb school 7s who have eaten themselves into 5s. Pretentious even though they arent successful or have good personalities. They have no women friends they go out with the same 5 guys they get passed around by every weekend its weird.

Its one of those cities where if you introduce yourself to someone they wonder what your angle is. Not chill people loking to get hammered and see where the night goes.

[Edited on May 31, 2013 at 8:03 PM. Reason : a]

5/31/2013 8:03:06 PM

ujustwait stop being an uppity california chick

5/31/2013 8:11:30 PM

The women are fat and the people are pretentious.



I just wanna chill and get hammered!

5/31/2013 8:15:03 PM

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"The local music scene is worse than just about any city ever. Its so bad most bands just bypass raleigh on the way to Richmond or Charlotte despite its prime route down the southeast. "

are you insane?

having lived outside the triangle for a while, there are so many shows that go to dc ->raleigh/durham/chapel hill -> atlanta



[Edited on May 31, 2013 at 8:21 PM. Reason : i'm talking about non-stadium shows generally, fwiw]

[Edited on May 31, 2013 at 8:22 PM. Reason : who the fuck goes to richmond!?]

5/31/2013 8:19:09 PM

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"ujustwait stop being an uppity california chick"

stop being a California cheerleader- you've never actually lived here...

5/31/2013 8:23:34 PM

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"The local music scene is worse than just about any city ever. Its so bad most bands just bypass raleigh on the way to Richmond or Charlotte despite its prime route down the southeast."

OKAY, CHIEF

https://twitter.com/hopscotchfest/status/336555638899503104

5/31/2013 8:48:09 PM

i mean i think durham is the best music city in triangle right now. but that's kinda splitting hairs. the triangle is an incredible music scene, and if you don't realize that, i feel bad for you, son.

5/31/2013 8:52:48 PM

i really like living in raleigh. i'm not crazy about the "big city" lifestyle of not owning a car, relying on public transportation, small living spaces, etc, and raleigh lets you avoid that while enjoying the benefits of a bigger city. obviously not all of the benefits, but it's a balance i enjoy. there are way more bars than i have ever been to, easy access to state football and basketball games, and i have a lot of friends here. to each his own, i guess.

that being said, hopefully i will have kids one day, and would probably rather raise a family back east where i'm from...either in new bern or carteret county.

5/31/2013 8:53:05 PM

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"who the fuck goes to richmond!?"

There are occasional acts that stop at the National in Richmond and not anywhere in NC. With that said, the only remarkable one that springs to mind is My Bloody Valentine.

5/31/2013 8:55:10 PM

i will say that the triangle is lacking a good larger club (the size of the ritz/disco rodeo but not terrible)

5/31/2013 9:01:35 PM

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"i mean i think durham is the best music city in triangle right now. but that's kinda splitting hairs. the triangle is an incredible music scene, and if you don't realize that, i feel bad for you, son."

What concert venues are there in Durham besides Motorco and Pinhook? Am I missing something?

5/31/2013 10:56:52 PM

If cities were rappers, Raleigh would be DC Talk. Its "nice"

5/31/2013 10:58:01 PM

^^i was thinking more for the groups coming out of durham. venues, i don't even know anymore. i haven't lived there in 3+ years

5/31/2013 11:26:30 PM

When looking at venues in NYC the bands are always coming to the triangle and playing venues half the size for less.

It makes me sad sometimes.

5/31/2013 11:29:04 PM

NYC Sophisticates

5/31/2013 11:35:30 PM

raleigh doesn't have enough going on as far as outdoors stuff. the greenway trails and umstead park and things like that are cool, but nothing compared to being right on the beach or in the mountains. that is why i can't ever see myself moving back there.

i can leave work now and be 10,000 ft on a mountain in 20 minutes, 14,000 in 30. being "close" to the beach and the mountains is just not the same.

i loved raleigh....until i actually moved out of NC and lived somewhere else.

also, i took this picture of my friend in pueblo, co.



also, the CO state fair is in pueblo, its super cheap to live there, it has a huge resevoir where people can boat, ski, and cliff jump, it has the hot/dry weather of the desert but also gets epic snowstorms from the south. it is close to really great white water rafting spots, a few hours from major ski resorts, and close to denver. so i'd say pueblo and raleigh are pretty even! (note - i don't actually live in pueblo and have only been there a few times, just thought it was totally random that it was thrown out there)

6/1/2013 12:03:42 AM

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"stop being a California cheerleader- you've never actually lived here..."

nice job knowing someone on the internet by just guessing. I used to teach in CA and lived there for a total of 2 years 1 month if you add it all up. I have a CA drivers license even though i live in WA fwfw

6/1/2013 2:38:59 AM

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"Its one of those cities where if you introduce yourself to someone they wonder what your angle is. Not chill people loking to get hammered and see where the night goes. "

The only dig on Raleigh I agree with, but I'm not convinced it happens anywhere else without cocaine being involved.

6/1/2013 5:48:02 AM

Husk sucks and its even its on chef (Brock) hates it. He's just getting paid stupid money to be the figurehead.

Per capita I put Charleston's food and beverage ahead of anywhere in the country. And we have beaches.

6/1/2013 9:47:05 AM

hey have you plugged charleston yet?

6/1/2013 10:31:14 AM

It's still South Curralina anyway you look at it though. If SC could buttfuck FL and then float off into the middle of the Atlantic and sink, the whole country would be better off...

6/1/2013 10:43:47 AM

people like charleston.

6/1/2013 11:19:22 AM

If I leave charleston, it's not to go anywhere else in South Carolina except for an occasional Cocks game to see some good football.

6/1/2013 12:19:30 PM

buttfuck FL?

6/1/2013 12:34:31 PM

yeah that was dumb

as is this thread, its trolls, and the nerds who respond to them

6/1/2013 4:59:57 PM

What in the bummfuck are yall doing. Raleigh is AWFUL. Downtown Richmond is way better. Cary has better night life.

6/2/2013 12:34:08 AM

http://www.sheknows.com/living/articles/994449/10-best-destinations-around-the-world-for-foodies

Charleston...top 10 destination for foodies...in the world.

6/3/2013 11:43:27 AM

Hit up strange matter

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

6/3/2013 11:47:00 AM

Wish there were some better bars in Raleigh that were more unique. If I had someone visit from out of town and ask what bar they should hit up or what area of downtown that would be a fun time and something unique to Raleigh I'd struggle to suggest many ideas that weren't just some shitty bar trying to be a dance club.

6/3/2013 12:29:36 PM

People ITT talking about Paris or LA have obviously never lived in either.

The only way to get anywhere in paris is to take the train, which is filled to the brim with the smelly people, and there's a good chance you'll either see a stabbing or see someone dead from being stabbed. The only way to get around in LA is to take 4 different insanely congested highways. I thought traffic was bad when there's congestion on the interstate when there's a wreck, but this was way worse and it's everywhere.

6/3/2013 2:10:46 PM

And the other half of people in here have only ever been to bars on glenwood south. Whats your point?

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

6/3/2013 2:12:06 PM

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"You seem like one of those guys who is obsessed with a) always being right and b) proving how much better/cooler you are than everyone else. Glad you're not polluting Raleigh with that nonsense."

for real, I'll reiterate again that it's a great city for what it is. You get a little taste of what big cities get without all of the inconveniences and expense. Raleigh is going to lose when you compare a single aspect of the city to another city that's known for that aspect but as a total package, it's actually a great place to live that don't want the big city vibe.

I do agree with face's point about women here, when you approach them in bars they definitely have their guard up, but that could very well be in many other places as well. We always get ranked as one of the best cities for singles, but I've never really gotten that - I guess they just assume since there are so many colleges in the area it must be wonderful.

6/3/2013 3:05:46 PM