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"BUT ITS GOT ELECTROLYTES"

Sure, for serious athletes (like >15000 steps per day athletes )

Honestly I think that article is attempting to use Vani's same brand of bullshit/pseudo/wacko science against her, which I think is lame. I think she's terrrrrrible, but lets try to be the better men/women here and use actual science instead of whatever it is the fuck it is that she and that article are doing.

9/5/2014 12:25:42 AM

[Edited on September 5, 2014 at 12:27 AM. Reason : ^ exactly. gotta maintain the intellectual high ground]

9/5/2014 12:27:00 AM

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"gotta maintain the intellectual high ground"

Yup. Just like in an in-person argument the one who doesn't froth at the mouth and get all El Nachóy mad wins.

9/5/2014 12:31:26 AM

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"so to support your viewpoint, you are posting a link to a page that you would otherwise condemn for being pseudo-scientific? references old, but seemingly legitimate scientific studies in a concise way"

Yes! This article was my first choice, but it's behind a paywall: http://www.cell.com/cell/abstract/S0092-8674(14)00598-4

Similarly, I think Mercola is a nut job but he brings up good points about how we've incorrectly demonized saturated fat.

Food Babe still sucks though]

9/5/2014 12:42:33 AM

Gatorade is great for killing...


Hangovers!

9/5/2014 8:57:01 AM

^ Indeed! I always have some on hand for that purpose.

9/5/2014 10:58:53 AM

I mix a little Gatorade G2 powder with coconut water when my milk is running low. Fills up my boobs nicely.

9/5/2014 11:08:34 AM

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"While some people do appreciate her ability to communicate, her language also has drawn strong criticism. Her campaigns have attracted increasing scrutiny, particularly on what critics call her lack of food science credentials. In her recent post about beer ingredients, for instance, critics point to how she makes common ingredients seem alarming, such as the use of isinglass in brewing. Isinglass is a protein derived from fish that’s been used since the 18th century to remove yeast and clarify beer. Her claim about “an ingredient found in antifreeze” being added to beer also draws criticism. Actually, the ingredient used is propylene glycol alginate, a kelp derivative used to stabilize head foam, not propylene glycol, a coolant. She later clarified this on her website. Supporters, including Mark Kastel, the president of the Cornucopia Institute, a farm policy research group, say the criticism is to be expected. “Anytime you challenge powerful entities in the food industry, you’re going to get blowback,” he says. “You’re going to be countered by science, or they’re going to engage in what I refer to as the politics of hate and division. They’re going to attempt to discredit you.” What does Hari say about charges of mistakes? “I’ve never claimed to be a nutritionist,” she says. “I’m an investigator.” However, many of Hari’s critics aren’t from the food industry. They’re academics who say they’re disturbed by errors in how she explains science. In a 2011 post about her decision not to get a flu shot, Hari wrote, “What exactly is in a flu shot? To sum it up – A bunch of toxic chemicals and additives that lead to several types of cancers and Alzheimer’s disease over time.” In an email to the N&O, Hari emphasized a disclaimer at the top of that blog post that encourages readers to do their own research. A few paragraphs below that disclaimer, she wrote: “I want you to think about what you are directly injecting into your bloodstream. Before you consider jumping off the ledge with other lemmings and taking this year’s flu shot – Here are the questions I think you should ask yourself.” Scientists say Hari’s blog post includes incorrect information on how vaccines work. She also doesn’t note that flu can be serious and even fatal to high-risk groups. In 2013-14, it caused 107 deaths in North Carolina. Dr. William Schaffner, chair of the Department of Preventive Medicine at Vanderbilt University, looked at the post at the Observer’s request and found numerous problems. “She takes facts that may be technically true, but then she runs with it and goes down roads that are inappropriate and frankly misleading,” he says. “There’s facts there, but then they’re misinterpreted.” For example, he challenged her assertion that the flu shot contains ingredients that can be harmful. “It’s given in millions of doses around the world annually, endorsed by the World Health Organization, ministries of health in every major country and the FDA in the United States. It can’t possibly be unsafe.” Dr. Joe Schwarcz is a chemistry professor at McGill University in Montreal. He writes frequently on a university website, the Office of Science and Society ( mcgill.ca/oss/), which aims to spread the knowledge of science to lay people. Hari tries to do good things, he says. But he’s troubled by her lack of knowledge of chemistry. “It isn’t hard to deconstruct her arguments.” he said. “Most of them are so silly. Her basic tenet is guilt by association.” As an example, he cites her campaign against Subway for the use of azodicarbonamide, which Hari characterized as “the yoga mat chemical” because it is also used to create foam in rubber. “Whatever the story is with azodicarbonamide has nothing to do with whether it’s a yoga mat chemical,” Schwarcz says. “This is absurdity, to say if something is used in one context, it can’t be used in food. “We use water to wash our cars. Vinegar can be used to kill weeds. If she ever found out, she’d want salad dressing banned.” Tom Philpott is a columnist for Mother Jones magazine who writes frequently about food and agriculture policy. While he supports the work Hari does in focusing on regulatory gaps in the food system, he also cautions that it’s critical to get the science right. “These are very, very complicated topics,” he says. “The science is often very subtle. There are real problems she’s trying to address that she doesn’t always address very well.” Other food-policy activists worry that Hari’s lack of rigor in her research will make it more difficult for all of them to be taken seriously. “We’re up against very powerful industry players,” says Michele Simon, a public health attorney and author who is president of Eat Drink Politics ( eatdrinkpolitics.com), which provides information on food policy. “It’s a hard enough fight without advocates undermining our own credibility. The one thing we can’t do is get the facts wrong. Otherwise, the advocacy work is not credible.” Simon says some of what Hari trumpets as victories are actually small changes that are easy for companies to make. Taking azodicarbonamide out of bread can make it look like Subway has made its food healthier, she says. But Subway still uses processed meats that are high in sodium and fat. Getting Anheuser-Busch to post ingredients on a website ( tapintoyourbeer.com) is far short of what other activists want, which is to get ingredients listed on the labels of all alcoholic beverages. “Declaring victory over a small thing can be worse than nothing,” Simon says, “because it makes it look like success, with nothing more. She plays into industries’ desire to look good by partnering with them in these ‘victories.’ ” Hari bristles at that criticism. “Getting the ingredients listed in beer is huge,” she insists. “This wasn’t just me, it’s the people. It’s the power of the people.” Sharing information with big headlines and catchy slogans on her website is “just a way of communicating,” she says. “For the everyday citizen, they don’t know what azodicarbonamide means. That’s why I’ve been effective.” "

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/09/09/4136228_charlottes-food-babe-has-lots.html?rh=1

9/22/2014 12:15:38 PM

LOL at someone from Mother Jones saying:

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"it’s critical to get the science right."

IT'S GOLD, JERRY! GOLD!

9/22/2014 3:02:41 PM

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/madness-food-babe-time-stand-bullying-quacks/#.VCQjS_ldXOC

9/25/2014 1:18:20 PM

OMG STARBUCKS USES A CHEMICAL THAT IS USED IN NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS AS THE MAIN INGREDIENT IN THEIR COFFEE

9/25/2014 1:22:34 PM

9/25/2014 4:36:48 PM

Ugh, 25 minutes to discuss 5 things you shouldn't eat. Its 12 minutes before they even get to the first item.
And what is it, whole wheat bread, because they use a chemical in it that's banned in Europe and Australia
...fine I'll bite, I can understand why it can be a problem, what can I do?
The solution...a loaf of hard to find bread that's double the cost of regular wheat bread...fuck you

9/25/2014 7:11:03 PM

$17.50 on Amazon for a single loaf of that Ezekiel bread. Are you fucking kidding me?

9/25/2014 7:39:04 PM

but you'll end up paying more in the end when you die of cancer-AIDS-obesity

9/25/2014 7:40:47 PM

i eat ezekial bread, it doesn't cost nearly that much at the store

(google says $5.59 at HT, I think I pay like $4.99)

[Edited on September 25, 2014 at 7:43 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2014 7:41:22 PM

It's only a matter of time before this bitch, dr oz, etc all get indicted by the Securities commission for some kind if pump and dump scheme with the shit they promote

9/25/2014 8:03:13 PM

But they aren't hawking their own shit, they get paid to promote stuff other people actually produce and sell. If the shoe drops, they aren't the ones that will suffer.

What kills me is of all the issues we have with health in this nation, this GMO/Chemical fear mongering isn't worth the time. There are much bigger and more important issues pertaining to the health of this nation than ingredients that are difficult to pronounce.

9/25/2014 9:23:00 PM

http://youtu.be/Wj2jqR2yglY?t=10m58s

9/26/2014 8:18:25 AM

From the article:

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"Hari bristles at that criticism."

That ignorant bitch bristles at ALL criticism. Try going to her website or facebook page and posting a legitimate peer-reviewed research article that goes against something she's said (GMOs, aspartame, MSG, sunscreen, vaccinations, etc). You comment will be deleted and you'll be banned.

9/26/2014 8:37:37 AM

the problem with food babe goes way beyond food babe. it is the way social media and "buzzfeed list culture" dumbs stuff down so much that people aren't able to (or don't care to) differentiate between science and pseudoscience. even worse, is when actual science is turned into headline bait and the original meaning is completely twisted.

9/26/2014 8:44:40 AM

Because it was so better 30 years ago when we were all just stuck in TV land. The medium is the message.

I refer to all this as Southern California's Creationism. We don't have Young Earth Creationists, just New Age.

9/26/2014 5:29:05 PM

have you all watched ^^^^ link yet?

9/26/2014 5:46:11 PM

^^there are so many differences between now and "TV land" I can't even begin to list them. it is MUCH easier now to publish whatever whackjob theory you have thanks to the intertubes.

9/26/2014 8:12:41 PM

9/27/2014 7:05:21 PM

Beegees: the real food babe.

♥

9/27/2014 11:01:59 PM

9/28/2014 12:51:01 PM

9/28/2014 2:25:59 PM

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"never heard of her"

9/28/2014 2:42:54 PM

October 5th: meet me at Starbucks and I'll buy you a draaank

http://groundedparents.com/2014/10/01/food-babe-moms-across-america-stop-drinking-starbucks/

10/1/2014 10:58:51 AM

I was trying to figure out if Starbucks had any Food Boob-approved beverages so I could ask if you would buy me one of those. I found this. (I don't think it's been posted itt but I could be wrong.)

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" Despite all these ways in which Starbucks can sabotage me, I still like to use their free internet. Many of the stores now carry bananas, organic dried fruit, and some quality granola bars without synthetic ingredients that I would buy if I needed a snack. I always read the label no matter what I am buying just to be sure. My favorite treat to get at Starbucks is absolutely free. They will give a cup of hot water to anyone that asks. Since I always carry a few extra bags of organic tea with me, I know I can always have a healthy beverage on the go from Starbucks for free anytime I like. I also like to use this free hot water option to make my own quick cooking oatmeal without carcinogenic caramel coloring! "

http://www.100daysofrealfood.com/2012/07/18/food-babe-investigates-sabotaged-at-starbucks/

10/1/2014 11:14:42 AM

Surprised they serve her at Starbucks. I'd be like nope.

10/1/2014 11:15:46 AM

these fucking cunts marching against starbucks for organic milk is the most fucking first world problem ever.

In the world we live in, this is your motherfucking cause??

10/1/2014 12:32:40 PM

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"^^there are so many differences between now and "TV land" I can't even begin to list them. it is MUCH easier now to publish whatever whackjob theory you have thanks to the intertubes. "

I was really only commenting on the dumbing stuff down part--you can't be an informed consumer if you only get information from the internet or TV.

10/3/2014 5:26:25 PM

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"never heard of her"

Considering I watch shit on youtube almost all day on my 2nd screen @ werk, I'm strangely oblivious to almost all youtube channels / personas. I'm all about that fat kid food reviewer. He does reviews on the youtube. You never knew such a cool dude. He keeps it so fly, and do you know why? Its 'cause he knows whether to buy that food.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

10/3/2014 6:03:18 PM

I'm really getting tired of people posting her BS on Facebook. Everyone gets mad when I try to inform them a little.

[Edited on October 15, 2014 at 4:47 PM. Reason : spelling]

10/15/2014 4:46:39 PM

http://guardianlv.com/2014/10/food-babe-speaks-at-university-professor-undoes-damage/

10/27/2014 4:39:15 PM

http://guardianlv.com/2014/10/food-babe-speaks-at-university-professor-undoes-damage/

10/27/2014 4:39:15 PM

Wow they actually let her speak at colleges?

10/27/2014 5:11:26 PM

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"you have almost no guarantee that it's actually organic, or that it's even local, its a big problem at small farmer's markets"

This was way back on page 2 but this is actually a really good point.

I grew up on a farm, and my family sells at several farmers markets. Their farm is not organic, nor do they claim to be. However they do not use pesticides on some of their smaller crops (like blueberries for example). That's really because, with the little they grow of some of that stuff, it's not worth it to use pesticides and stuff. Just too expensive. On crops with greater acreage, they do spray and fertilize and all that. Point being, it's easy to claim something is "pesticide-free" or "organic" with absolutely no certification whatsoever. And it may or may not be true.

Another important point here is that at the Raleigh farmers market (parents no longer are there) you have to be at your booth for a certain number of months out of the year (maybe even all year, don't know the rules exactly). It's really common for people to buy in more product to supplement what they grow. Or outright just buy and re-sell other people's product. Everybody does it there. Strawberries maybe the worst for this. It's always a rush to be the first person at the market to have strawberries. Strawberry season in the Raleigh area works almost like clock-work. April 10-15 is when you can expect to see the very first berries in this area. And at the beginning of the season, yield is obviously kinda low. So most folks will buy more in to supplement their early yield. In fact, if you buy strawberries from the Raleigh farmer's market before April 15, my guess is what you're buying was likely grown down around Pender County where their growing starts just a little earlier than Raleigh's. Same goes with peaches at the farmer's market. People will start buying in peaches grown in SC and tide them over until their crop is ready. And when people are buying in strawberries or peaches and re-selling them, most of the time they're buying from huge farming operations (ones that can afford to wholesale such great quantities). Which is fine...but it kinda goes against the idea of buying local and supporter your small farmers.

This doesn't really have anything to do with the food babe...but I saw this post and figured it was worth responding with my personal experience.

10/27/2014 6:54:04 PM

Well, you still are supporting your local farmers in that you're allowing them to do what they need to do to meet the requirements of their business agreement. I prefer to shop at grower-only markets, but I understand why farmers do that at markets that have those policies.

10/27/2014 6:59:21 PM

^Sure. I didn't mean to come off as saying that farmers re-selling product is bad or anything. I don't think it's a bad thing at all. But buyers can easily be deceived (and the sellers can and do sometimes flat out lie about it).

Growers-only markets are certainly ideal, if that's what you're going for. But, the ones I know of are mostly just on the honor system. That can be a difficult thing to monitor.

I definitely don't mean to come off like I'm opposed to farmers markets or that the growers doing anything wrong. I'm just speaking from my experience growing up working at a lot of farmers markets and stuff. Sometimes I get the impression a lot of people think produce bought at farmers markets is always from a small family farm...when that's not always the case at all. It's certainly possible that the same growers that sell produce to grocery chains are also wholesaling to people who re-sell at farmers markets.

[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 7:11 PM. Reason : add a note]

10/27/2014 7:08:34 PM

I agree with you. I think it's a fact that would surprise a lot of people because it's a question you don't think to ask unless you already know about the issue, which I certainly didn't.

I didn't know the Raleigh market had a lot of resellers until my college roommate, who had worked at a farm for years, told me it happened all the time. I honestly had never thought about that even being a possibility before she told me.

10/27/2014 7:12:38 PM

Right. And it's not always a bad thing. A lot of the time I'd guess the farmers are buying product from people the know and trust. So you're still getting a quality product.

10/27/2014 7:17:10 PM

if you hang around awhile you can watch people unload produce that is clearly not local

also, in case some of you were not aware, organic does not necessarily mean pesticide free. the rules for organic food allows for the use of both naturally occurring pesticides and also some synthetic pesticides

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" A lot of the time I'd guess the farmers are buying product from people the know and trust. So you're still getting a quality product."

that's maybe true at places like the state farmers market, but i don't see any reason to assume so at small roadside or neighborhood markets. selling produce is a business, it's how people make money, and some of those people are going to take advantage of the naivety and assumptions of others.

[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 7:26 PM. Reason : .]

10/27/2014 7:24:43 PM

Anyone else see a general push back to what I will call "Foodie-ism"?

The current trends in the food industry with wanting higher quality food from scratch seemed to start in the early 2000s after the publishing of Fast Food Nation. It grew even more with the rise of Whole Foods, Food Network, and the celebrity chef. In trying to reach more of a mass market there was a splinter faction of marketeers responsible for saying things like, "I'm not into gourmet I just want to eat real food". This was likely a wing of Whole Foods et All trying to reach a broader market.

Now it's everywhere and the opposition is in full swing. I think both sides are just different wings in the food industry fighting, with some opportunists thrown in for good measure.

10/27/2014 7:26:31 PM

i'm not sure what opposite side you are referring to, i only see a push for more real foods

10/27/2014 7:27:38 PM

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"that's maybe true at places like the state farmers market, but i don't see any reason to assume so at small roadside or neighborhood markets. selling produce is a business, it's how people make money, and some of those people are going to take advantage of the naivety and assumptions of others. "

That's possible, sure. But at smaller markets it also may not be all that cost effective to buy a from bigger wholesalers. If you're selling at smaller markets just a couple times a week you've got to have cooling and storage systems for all the produce. And if you're selling just a couple times a week you really can't afford to buy large quantities to re-sell without worrying about spoilage and waste.

I was gonna make the point that the smaller, neighborhood markets that I worked at were generally more trustworthy than the Raleigh market. Because you're dealing with smaller growers and sellers who, in terms of making a profit, can't afford to buy large quantities to re-sell. It's hard to make a killing just selling at neighborhood markets that might be open twice a week.

Again..that's in my experience. I don't doubt for a second that some markets you've been to may have had sellers intentionally deceiving buyers.

10/27/2014 7:40:55 PM

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"i'm not sure what opposite side you are referring to, i only see a push for more real foods "

Just anecdotal based on my Facebook feed and a few of the posts in my thread.

10/27/2014 7:48:12 PM

The only anti-foodie push I see is people that make fun of the over zealous "foodies". But I also don't pay attention to that kind of stuff, so I know I'm not in the loop for the current state of the foodie movement.

10/27/2014 7:53:14 PM