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"again, not the case...science certainly accomplishes more in some respects, but to say that what the religious accomplish (peace of mind, a sense of being, happiness) is worthless is just...pathetic"

what about the non-religious who can have peace of mind, a sense of being, and happiness?

7/31/2014 1:56:54 PM

THE NON-RELIGIOUS ARE LYING TO THEMSELVES, YOU FEEL HAPPY BECAUSE GOD TOUCHED YOU WITH HIS NOODLY APPENDAGE

(i may be mixing up my myths)

7/31/2014 1:58:24 PM

itt Quagmire shows he doesnt understand the concept of a scientific theory

7/31/2014 10:38:16 PM

Hay guys what's happening? Oh, people still defend the religulous. I didn't think that was a thing anymore.

WARNING: don't view the previous page anyone. Holygoddamnfuck. Never seen an apologist talk in circles like that. And I grew up in the south. Wow. I need a drink.

[Edited on July 31, 2014 at 11:13 PM. Reason : Quagies a xian]

7/31/2014 11:04:11 PM

itt Southerners whine about their horrible upbringing

8/1/2014 12:51:29 AM

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"we don't know the truth of everything, so until we do, being a condescending dickhole to those who don't subscribe to your particular version doesn't make you a better person"

No one will ever know the truth of everything. That doesn't mean ignoring the truth of what we do know is acceptable.

8/1/2014 3:31:35 AM

Atheists don't go around telling people who think differently then them they are going to suffer mental and physical suffering for all eternity

8/1/2014 8:16:29 AM

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"itt Quagmire shows he doesnt understand the concept of a scientific theory"

I think this is worth mentioning again, as it seems to be a very common mistake that is continually repeated by religious apologists. "Scientific Theory" is not the same thing as "theory" in other contexts like philosphy or day-to-day problem solving.

He said this

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"please tell me right now in this point in time, how believing in an unproven scientific theory is significantly different than believing that, say, there is something intrinsic to each us individually (a soul) and that there is a being out there that can interact with that soul"

unproven scientific theory is really a misnomer. a Scientific Theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation (wiki)." and believing (or accepting) a scientific theory is much different than believing in a "soul", which has not been observed or repeatedly confirmed through experimentation. People believe it solely on faith, which is very different than a scientific theory.


[Edited on August 1, 2014 at 10:23 AM. Reason : ]

8/1/2014 10:19:56 AM

A mind cannot exist without a brain. If souls exist, then why do we have brains? Now, if God had some weird reason to create brains, then it means that he had some weird reason to make the universe look exactly as it would have to look if God did not exist.

8/1/2014 11:18:27 AM

8/1/2014 1:29:11 PM

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"A mind cannot exist without a brain. If souls exist, then why do we have brains? Now, if God had some weird reason to create brains, then it means that he had some weird reason to make the universe look exactly as it would have to look if God did not exist."

to test your faith, brah.

8/1/2014 1:48:09 PM

this is some Jaden Smith shit

8/1/2014 1:51:20 PM

I'm watching The Apostle with Robert Duvall. I'd like to join his church.

8/1/2014 3:53:12 PM

This page: message_topic.aspx?topic=557152&page=6

sheds some light on some of the arguments on this page.

8/1/2014 5:29:31 PM

Yeah. I'm Eastern Orthodox. Specifically the church I went to back home was Greek Orthodox but they're all in communion.

8/2/2014 5:21:08 PM

My take on religion is that if their is the abrahmic god, he's a real douchebag. He created a world with people everywhere and then only decides to bring a tiny group of people in the middle east into his fold, cuz LOL fuck all the rest of those people they can burn in hell

8/4/2014 12:37:42 PM

to be fair...that's not quite how Christianity works

8/4/2014 1:26:49 PM

then tell us how it does work
(because i'm pretty sure that is how it works... and especially back in the day)

[Edited on August 4, 2014 at 1:29 PM. Reason : ]

8/4/2014 1:29:06 PM

that's not how it works in Christianity only because Christianity is all over the place on the topic depending on who you ask

8/4/2014 2:06:44 PM

this thread has a lot of attempted shaming

8/5/2014 10:53:01 PM

Hail Satan.


Not but for real though...If there is an all-knowing, all-powerful, unconditionally loving God that really does exist, then why the FUCK doesn't he intervene when innocent people are slaughtered, children are abused, whole villages starve, etc.
And if he knew (because he's all-knowing) this is what the world would come to, then what was the point of creation in the first place.
Does not add up for me, sorry.

9/5/2014 10:32:08 PM

^Free will yo, God isn't a big "sky daddy".

I thought I'd answered this already.

1. Yes
2. Catholic
3. n/a

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"The catholic worship of Marry, and the fact they they do not believe in salvation through faith alone, make catholicism not christian"

lullz, saying that you're not correct is the polite way to put it

9/5/2014 11:10:32 PM

I don't think kids in Africa who are born with HIV because Catholics hate condoms are exercising free will.

9/6/2014 2:57:41 AM

1) No I'm not retarded

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9/6/2014 9:48:31 AM

^^^ So people have free will, but god doesn't have free will? Because if he did have free will, would an "all-knowing, all-powerful, unconditionally loving god" intervene and stop the beings that he created from destroying each other.

9/6/2014 10:48:25 AM

I automatically think less of someone if they base their life around a 2000 year old book written by ignorant goat herders

9/6/2014 11:22:14 AM

I think this scrmsinslenc character is onto something

9/6/2014 1:19:52 PM

^^ For myself, it depends on how literally they follow it. You can't fully follow everything because there are contradictory portions all over.

I don't think much of literalists when it comes to the bible. They are easy to make fun of. Even more so if they are evolution/science deniers.

The bible is, at best, a crude interpretation passed through man of divine will/knowledge. At worst, it's a collection of moral stories that were passed down orally for generations before being transcribed and interpreted a few dozen times.

That website that 'proves' that Catholics aren't christian is a joke. But then again most arguments involving the bible involve cherrypicking and interpretations/versions of one's choice and thus are inherently flawed.

9/6/2014 2:26:22 PM

ITT I learn god is not a "sky daddy" lol. You believers are all over the damn place. There doesn't seem to be even one unifying thought or belief among you.

9/6/2014 3:39:11 PM

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"For myself, it depends on how literally they follow it. You can't fully follow everything because there are contradictory portions all over."

I don't understand how the creator of the universe could fuck up so royally in leaving behind the manuscript for how to live a life in his image. He did a great job inventing semiconductors though.

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9/6/2014 3:41:31 PM

Can we go back to when quagmire was saying that the Theory of Relativity was unproven? How many GPS phones are there on this planet again?

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" At worst, it's a collection of moral stories that were passed down orally for generations before being transcribed and interpreted a few dozen times. "

Oh, thanks for that laugh. Needed that today.

[Edited on September 6, 2014 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

9/6/2014 3:53:17 PM

Moral, fear inciting same thing.

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9/6/2014 4:02:07 PM

and another thing, how the fuck did noah have a boat big enough to fit 2 of every animal?

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9/6/2014 6:17:33 PM

A common response is "there were fewer species back then." but what that would mean is we would have to have observed an insane amount of speciation since then to get the biodiversity we see today.

As Bill Nye said, we'd have the Evolution report next to the weather report every day. The story doesn't make sense as literal no matter what bullshit excuse the theist comes up with. Their only explanation as always is pure fucking magic. God wiggled his nose and made it happen.

9/6/2014 7:34:49 PM

Man you guy are really tearing religion apart with these unique and new comments. Watch out the Pope doesn't send assassins after you!

9/6/2014 7:36:16 PM

9/6/2014 7:41:18 PM

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"then tell us how it does work (because i'm pretty sure that is how it works... and especially back in the day) "

There's no one way it works. It works however the believer at that moment feels how it's work. That's the beauty of Christianity... it can be everything and nothing all at once-- it's open to interpretation by design, because this allows it to be assimilated by various different belief systems.

9/7/2014 12:14:29 AM

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"A common response is "there were fewer species back then." but what that would mean is we would have to have observed an insane amount of speciation since then to get the biodiversity we see today. As Bill Nye said, we'd have the Evolution report next to the weather report every day. The story doesn't make sense as literal no matter what bullshit excuse the theist comes up with. Their only explanation as always is pure fucking magic. God wiggled his nose and made it happen."

Another common explanation is that God put them all to sleep so they could really pack them in their tightly.

9/7/2014 12:15:43 AM

LOL

9/7/2014 3:50:21 PM

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/09/06/5-ways-america-changed-god/?hpt=hp_t5

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"3. America falls in love with Jesus. Amid America’s campaign for independence, people began gravitating toward more evangelical churches, like Baptist and Methodist. These congregations boasted a more laid-back approach to worship and faith as opposed to the stuffy religiosity of Congregational and Anglican gatherings. Then, in 1801, that rather strange spiritual gathering of more than 20,000 happened in Cane Ridge, Kentucky, a revival that sparked, among many things, a spiritual revolt against Calvinism’s God. In America, with the help of preachers like Charles Grandison Finney, Peter Cartwright and Barton Stone, the God that the people favored was one who let individuals choose their own spiritual destiny. As Methodists and Baptists led America away from the reformed doctrine, they also directed worshipers’ focus away from God the Father and toward Jesus, eventually making God’s only son the “face” of Christian spirituality. While America’s followers had always believed that Jesus paid the price for their sins, Jesus wasn’t the core topic of discussion, at least, nowhere close to how Christians uplift, debate, and theologize Jesus today. In the early 1800s, Jesus was much easier to relate to among everyday Americans. Jesus seemed to offer a more practical spirituality, one that celebrated Jesus’ humanity—his “manliness,” his suffering, his flesh and blood, his father/son relationship with God, his ability to understand the human plight. The simpler approach to Christianity that Methodists and Baptists offered would eventually be tested by the nation’s debate over slavery, a conflict that divided America’s churches long before it divided a nation."

9/8/2014 4:15:15 PM

^ I didn't click the link, but odd that a religion named for "Christ" wouldn't have always held Christ as the central figure.

9/8/2014 4:30:06 PM

I don't think it says that he wasn't the central figure, just that he wasn't quite as prominent... it just focused more on "god".

[Edited on September 8, 2014 at 4:40 PM. Reason : because god=jesus=holy sprit. or jesus is god's son. whichever.]

9/8/2014 4:39:44 PM

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" I didn't click the link, but odd that a religion named for "Christ" wouldn't have always held Christ as the central figure."

Spoken like someone who has no concept of the history of christianity.

They teach you all of this shit in that HI205. Anyone who believes they are a christian should REALLY take a class in philosophy, not because I think it will discredit christianity, but because most philosophers of old days were theologists (because if they weren't the church would MURDER them... jk most of them were proud christians) and a lot of common knowledge and conventions these days were originally their arguments NOT inherent parts of the religion.

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9/8/2014 5:22:27 PM

For example if you're a christian and you don't know what calvinism is you should kill yourself.

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9/8/2014 5:30:12 PM

Predestination and shit, mo fugga.

9/8/2014 8:58:23 PM

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"I automatically think less of someone if they base their life around a 2000 year old book written by ignorant goat herders"

Why? If (thats a big if, because not many people do) they really take it seriously, chances are they are living a morally upright life, choosing to help those in need, and loving others as themselves. Even if you don't believe in what drives them to live like that, what purpose do you have to fault them? Are they not being a positive influence on society? And so what if they convince other people to do the same, and then that person chooses to live morally, help those in need, and love others? That means they've contributed even more to society. Even if you don't believe that Heaven is in store for them when they die, how can you deny the positive they did while they were alive?

That is why I don't understand why people who do not believe in religion sometimes look down on those who do. If the people associated with that religion are assets to society, why does it matter what they believe in? Of course the argument changes if their religion involves child sacrifice or something ridiculously evil, but how can you fault a genuine Christ follower that carries out the most important commands in the bible, to love God and love others?

9/9/2014 1:15:13 AM

^ It's not a problem until they start trying to teach Creationism in science classes, or vote for leaders who want to bring the end times, or prevent sex ed from being taught in schools, or amend the constitution to discriminate against gays, etc, etc...

There are certainly Christians who are just good people, who don't do these things, but they still to some extent provide a safe harbor for christians who don't mind getting politics all over their religion.

9/9/2014 2:15:47 AM

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"A common response is "there were fewer species back then.""

Hahaha. I've never actually heard this one, but it's pretty funny.

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"The story doesn't make sense as literal no matter what bullshit excuse the theist comes up with. Their only explanation as always is pure fucking magic. God wiggled his nose and made it happen."

You say this as though it's a revelation (no pun intended). No shit. The whole story is based on magic. It isn't suggested that Noah put on a cowboy hat, went out, and lassoed all the animals so that he could drag them to the boat. We've crossed the magic rubicon with "all the animals showed up and asked for a boat ride."

9/9/2014 3:38:54 AM

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"^ It's not a problem until they start trying to teach Creationism in science classes, or vote for leaders who want to bring the end times, or prevent sex ed from being taught in schools, or amend the constitution to discriminate against gays, etc, etc... There are certainly Christians who are just good people, who don't do these things, but they still to some extent provide a safe harbor for christians who don't mind getting politics all over their religion."

Those "Christians" I would say have their priorities a bit mixed up. Is striving to teach creationism in a science class really the most effective way of spreading the good news? Not at all. I'm not sure what you mean about the end times thing... so I'ma skip that. As for sex ed... as a christian, I would much rather my son or daughter learn these things for their own safety and well being even if I teach them it is more to wait until marriage. As for gay marriage... Christians definitely have their priorities mixed up. Caring about gay marriage and who the government decides should be married has absolutely no effect on Christians. If they are true to their beliefs, they should believe that marriage is a covenant between man, woman, and God - not the government. For that reason, I could care less whether or not we allow gay marriage. What the government does is no concern of mine. Imagine the policies that the Romans had in place that today's Christians would abhor for being immoral. Jesus didn't go on a political rampage to change these things from the government down. He simply came to save people, and targeted the hearts of the people.

9/9/2014 9:16:23 AM

lots of christians have their priorities mixed-up. and are selective in how they live their life "according to scripture". in theory, communism works.

(and that dude that bill nye debated last year, who owns the creationism museum, claims that there were a certain number of "kinds" of animals on the ark (he made it clear it was "kinds", not "species"), and the millions and millions of species that are around today are just a result of those "kinds" interbreeding). I forgot how many "kinds" he claimed, I think it was less than 100.)

[Edited on September 9, 2014 at 9:23 AM. Reason : ]

9/9/2014 9:21:06 AM