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"From : Clifton To : adder Received : Wednesday April 22, 2015 at 11:12 PM Subject : Your Snake Collection Would you get upset if I sliced up your collection of snakes with a machete if they got out? Just wondering. "

I guess this is how a troll acts when they are ignored? Why the fuck did this tool ever get un-suspended?
Seriously dude because I have pictures of wild snakes in habitat you assume I have a venomous snake collection. As explained originally you couldn't be more wrong with your assumption. Oh and please come into my house looking for a snake collection to chop with your machete. I am pretty sure breaking and entering an establishment w. a weapon is something that I think falls in the clearly illegal category. However, you may actually get away with it due to your clearly documented mental disabilities.

Nice triple post btw I wonder how long your idiocy will be tolerated this time?

As far as TNR colonies it has long been established that they (and feral cats in general) are a detriment to wildlife and should be discontinued but unfortunately misguided "animal lovers" have managed to raise shit tons of money and overwhelm the rational response. The fact that you can trap and turn in a feral animal to animal control and they can and will re-release this animal into the wild where it will continue it's destructive behavior is beyond stupid. This in turn leads folks to having to dispatch animals instead of follow more pleasant and conventional methods of turning the animal in to the authorities.

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"1. I'm glad someone read my post! I feel special! 2. I am definitely ignorant. I believe I summarized my experience on this subject as "two minutes on Wikipedia." 3. People are gonna feed animals forever. We have to account for crazy animal lovers in our plans. 4. I know about the harm that feral cats do. I also know that feral cats themselves aren't having the best time ever. That's why I'm genuinely interested in limiting their populations. Unfortunately, "don't feed 'em" hasn't worked so far. But...it's good to know you apparently really hate cats and shit. "

2. Glad you admit it. It is truly classic TNR ignorant propaganda that you are are repeating.
3. If the feral animals were destroyed when they were turned in to the authorities this problem would end. As it stands you can trap feral cats and all it takes is one totally ignorant asshole coming in with "cats are wildlife too" and all that work goes to waste and back out they go. If you still don't see it take a couple minutes to read about the Key Largo Woodrat and Key Largo Cotton Mouse. Both are federally endangered and are likely to soon be extinct because feral cat colonies that are being protected by the uneducated insisting that feral cats should not be removed.
4. Yes and the colonies are actually cruel and disgusting. Go take a look at the state of the health of the animals in your average feral cat colony.

4/23/2015 6:59:24 AM

I'm going to unleash a colony of Feral Pit Bulls.

4/23/2015 7:05:44 AM

I didn't say anything about "breaking into a house", I said if your pets got loose it's clearly okay by some people's logic to SLICE EM UP. How am I to know some rattlesnake is your pet?

4/23/2015 8:40:07 AM

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"If you still don't see it take a couple minutes to read about the Key Largo Woodrat and Key Largo Cotton Mouse."

Since you're talking about Florida and idiots, let's talk about what idiots keep as pets in the first place...

https://www.fort.usgs.gov/flconstrictors

4/23/2015 8:46:36 AM

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"I'm with BJ in this thread (the horror). Cats are a god damn pest / nuisance and I don't think they proved this was anyone's pet. Collar? Microchip? Or just another orange and white piece of shit out killing birds / chipmunks? Dumb to post it on FB just because she should know better these days. Plenty of fucking people out there that would trade thousands of human lives to save one pitiful cat from a redneck's arrow. God help us all."

+1

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"would you feel the same way if this was a dog? assuming that the dog didn't do anything but wander into the woods in your backyard from the farm down the road, and maybe taken a shit?"

why are you making that assumption

and if you've ever hunted in an area where all the redneck Ricky's run dogs, you have probably either sighted down on a dog that look sketchy or maybe even shot one. Rednecks lose dogs while running deer and those dogs become feral, spend enough time the woods down east and you will come across a few and they are usually not too friendly.

4/23/2015 8:59:18 AM

we spent a good portion of springtime every year shooting feral dogs that hunters left behind, mainly because they would form packs and chase our cattle.

[Edited on April 23, 2015 at 9:17 AM. Reason : I wish they would outlaw running deer with dogs]

4/23/2015 9:16:21 AM

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"2. Glad you admit it. It is truly classic TNR ignorant propaganda that you are are repeating. 3. If the feral animals were destroyed when they were turned in to the authorities this problem would end. As it stands you can trap feral cats and all it takes is one totally ignorant asshole coming in with "cats are wildlife too" and all that work goes to waste and back out they go. If you still don't see it take a couple minutes to read about the Key Largo Woodrat and Key Largo Cotton Mouse. Both are federally endangered and are likely to soon be extinct because feral cat colonies that are being protected by the uneducated insisting that feral cats should not be removed. 4. Yes and the colonies are actually cruel and disgusting. Go take a look at the state of the health of the animals in your average feral cat colony."

It's not that simple. In many cases, T-N-R does have advantages over euthanasia. And a lot of this issue comes down to resources, public sentiment, and the presence of other wildlife in the area. Mentioning Key Largo in this instance is pretty ridiculous...I mean, people in the Keys love their cats, but they also have other wildlife that cannot be found anywhere else on the planet. So, yeah, they've got a conundrum. Fortunately for them, they also have the resources on both sides to fight that one out and continuously compromise/protect all their animals.

Other parts of the country aren't so lucky when it comes to financial resources or public education about animal welfare.

4/23/2015 1:42:31 PM

http://www.facebook.com/carnivores4kristen

"72 likes"

^dude must really hate Ernest Hemingway.

Neither Wikipedia article on those two rodents he mentioned said anything at all about cats. They mention human encroachment and competition from species like the black rat, but not a single thing about feral cats being responsible. It is, however, well-documented that constrictor snakes, with their generalist habitation attributes, can be solely blamed for species decline in the Everglades.

It's abundantly clear he, just like the rest of the users in defense of Lindsey, simply hate cats. Or they hate other people that disagree with them. All of the assholish remarks before I even posted once in here, yet I'm the troll.



[Edited on April 23, 2015 at 2:04 PM. Reason : K]

4/23/2015 1:45:41 PM

So did you have a stroke at the end of page 3 or what?

4/23/2015 5:04:40 PM

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"“All these people in the cities just don’t understand what goes on in the country and they get in an uproar,” said another. “They ought to just mind their own business.”"

Intelligence.

4/23/2015 5:24:17 PM

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"I wish they would outlaw running deer with dogs"

4/23/2015 10:25:34 PM

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"Rednecks lose dogs while running deer and those dogs become feral"

They don't 'lose' them, they abandon the ones that don't perform well. It's pretty well-known...

Still unsure why we're talking about this. The cat in question wasn't abandoned, and wasn't feral. I hope certain posters here don't lose anything they care about and post about it. You've pretty much given the go-ahead for people to shit. all. over. it.

[Edited on April 23, 2015 at 11:19 PM. Reason : k]

4/23/2015 11:17:26 PM

I have never heard of anyone ditching a dog like that. It would be pretty easy to lose dogs running them after game. I've been hunting once where we ran dogs; I thought it was pretty lame. We did, in fact, lose the dogs (although he managed to get them back later).

...and I don't think most people care if the cat was stray or feral. That's not why we're saying we don't mind her shooting it.



[Edited on April 23, 2015 at 11:31 PM. Reason : You would have to be a fucking idiot to post it on FB though]

4/23/2015 11:29:59 PM

http://www.rrdailyherald.com/news/abandoned-hunting-dogs-becoming-alarming-trend/article_ce5c27e2-a63e-11e4-81ab-6749d29e6d37.html

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"“It’s always been a big problem in Halifax County,” said Robert Richardson, an officer with Halifax County Animal Control. “A lot of the dogs that are left out there because they didn’t perform well, they will just take the collar off and leave them.”"

This article was this year, even.

4/23/2015 11:39:11 PM

^to me, that is so much worse than shooting a cat with an arrow. At least the cat died quickly. Starving dogs then abandoning them to starve to death is horrible.

4/24/2015 1:29:43 AM

Yeah that's pretty bad. I can't understand anyone doing that.

4/24/2015 6:21:11 AM

First and foremost this girl who posted it on Facebook was a dumbass. If you kill free roaming cats you do it quitely and discretely of course there is going to be public backlash. That being said...

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"It's not that simple. In many cases, T-N-R does have advantages over euthanasia. And a lot of this issue comes down to resources, public sentiment, and the presence of other wildlife in the area. Mentioning Key Largo in this instance is pretty ridiculous...I mean, people in the Keys love their cats, but they also have other wildlife that cannot be found anywhere else on the planet. So, yeah, they've got a conundrum. Fortunately for them, they also have the resources on both sides to fight that one out and continuously compromise/protect all their animals. Other parts of the country aren't so lucky when it comes to financial resources or public education about animal welfare. "

The only part of your rant that was correct was the public sentiment section. It is the ONLY reason why TNR colonies are legal. This sums it up quite nicely: https://www.animallaw.info/article/feral-cat-colonies-florida-fur-and-feathers-are-flying
and
http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/01/28/cats-vs-rats-florida
and
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-ap-feral-cats-keys-20150105-story.html
and an article that leads you to a host of publications-
http://joomla.wildlife.org/documents/cats_tnr.pdfa

Multiple published studies indicate TNR does not work I don't know how you can't seem to figure that out. Introducing non-native species into the environment is generally a bad idea and I am not sure why humans have to keep figuring that out.


Oh and Clifton- Just shut up and let the adults talk. You are one weird kid.

[Edited on April 24, 2015 at 6:55 PM. Reason : sdf]

4/24/2015 6:47:49 PM

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"I have never heard of anyone ditching a dog like that."

if all the beagles we had to shoot at the farm were just "lost", they would still have a collar on them. Most of these dogs are intentionally left behind.

The dog owners will drive all over damnation with their radio trackers to retrieve the tracking collars. You'd be amazed of the number of assholes that will drive down a half mile long private driveway and tell the property owner they need to stick around and collect their dogs. Worse yet, some of them will act like they're entitled to be on your property because they're members of some hunting club that leases a piece of property miles away, even though the property is posted and covered with purple paint.

My parents had to put up a gate at the beginning of the driveway to keep dog hunters and spotlighters off the property during deer season.

4/24/2015 7:14:00 PM

^^It's not a rant, and all your links are still about Florida.

You're arguing with someone who wasted her free time reading pointlessly long journal articles about T-N-R and euthanasia...KILL THE CATS! and SAVE THE CATS! were not prominent themes.

So you kinda gotta go fuck yourself...

4/24/2015 8:08:01 PM

4/24/2015 8:43:13 PM

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"If you kill free roaming cats you do it quitely and discretely of course there is going to be public backlash. "

Nevermind the owner having such love or appreciation for the animal that she posted a video of it to youtube, let alone the fact it was her pet. If it's on someone else's property, you're given the right to shoot it. I don't admire, nor am I jealous of how some of you people think. I'm quite sorry attitudes like this exist in the world. I really, extremely hope it has nothing to do with a God, also. Or politics, since I was alluded to being a 'left wing nutjob' (wow. haha.)

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"Oh and Clifton- Just shut up and let the adults talk. You are one weird kid."

You neither acknowleded, nor addressed the multitudes of documented reports regarding constrictor snake problems in Florida amidst your citations of failed research conclusions from articles published over 30 years ago. If you're going to spit asinine shit in here, I have the right to treat you like a piece of shit.

I am sorry for trolling though. I don't have a right to make generalizations about fraternity members past or present, nor do I need to act in outrage against people I vehemently disagree with. It reallllly takes a certain type of person to shit on a thread like this, however. Not sure I've ever seen BridgetSPK tell someone to go fuck themself. Congrats, adder.

[Edited on April 25, 2015 at 3:49 PM. Reason : k]

4/25/2015 3:48:40 PM

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"It's not a rant, and all your links are still about Florida."

Incorrect. Look if you are too lazy to educate yourself about the impacts that feral cats have on wildlife THROUGHOUT THE FUCKING WORLD I really can't help you. Try google maybe? Feral cats and wildlife would be a great search string. Or free roaming cats and wildlife. I am sorry I don't really care to spoon feed you wildlife ecology 101. However, if you come in here making dumbass remarks about TNR being an effective method for dealing with feral cats don't get upset when you get called the fuck out. Willful ignorance is one of the most disgusting attributes possible.

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"You neither acknowleded, nor addressed the multitudes of documented reports regarding constrictor snake problems in Florida amidst your citations of failed research conclusions from articles published over 30 years ago. If you're going to spit asinine shit in here, I have the right to treat you like a piece of shit. "

Can't believe I am feeding the troll. Ok. First point- You brought up constrictors, totally irrelevant I might add, but you did. I guess you brought that up because you thought I would behave irrationally when someone euthanizes an invasive species? Guess what dumbfuck I have personally caught and euthanized invasive pythons and assisted in the capture of animals donated to the work the scientists are doing in the Everglades. Actually I have killed far more invasive pythons over the years than I have cats but again I don't really see any relevance. Invasive species should be destroyed I never said anything else.

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"Nevermind the owner having such love or appreciation for the animal that she posted a video of it to youtube, let alone the fact it was her pet. "

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"One of the animals I pet sit loves riding on the Gator with me."

Read much?

[Edited on April 25, 2015 at 6:35 PM. Reason : quote fix]

4/25/2015 6:23:24 PM

Who in this thread is in a frat?

4/25/2015 6:26:26 PM

^ Dude is full of crazy ass assumptions? Maybe he thinks I was? Some weird ass cat hating frat that has a huge free ranging venomous snake collection? It is kind of cute how he thinks he has to come in and defend BridgetSPK. He is probably sending her awkward PMs right now.

4/25/2015 6:32:20 PM

^^^Do you wan't to hunt pythons in the everglades? I'm totally down. Think it would be totally fun. Message me.

[Edited on April 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM. Reason : k]

4/25/2015 6:32:56 PM

Didn't assume anything aside from having "tke" being a part of a screenname as someone being in a frat. I made poor judgements from there. It's easy when all you hear about fraternities now is when they commit various acts of sexual assault, racism, even assaulting vets (not the ex-cat-killing kind). Sorry.

What else are we covering? I don't even know. I'm offering a truce. I don't agree with you whatsoever; fair?

Oh, and no, I didn't message BSPK.

4/25/2015 6:38:39 PM

^^Good luck finding them the recent cold winters have really knocked the populations back (IIRC in 2010 9 of 10 telemetered individuals died while the tenth had to be brought in in order for it to survive). I think this last winter also had a prolonged cold stretch in south Florida that probably really helped kill them off.
^ so instead you are just pming me and then trying to invite me to a trip out into the middle of nowhere. Didn't know you swung that way. I'm flattered and all but no thanks...
Seriously I agree with not killing someones pets. If I encountered a situation like that I would first warn my neighbor that if their animal was in my yard I would trap it and turn it in. If they don't listen you trap turn it in and only after it returns and the problem continues do you kill it. Unfortunately when it comes to cats and traditional ignorance you often end at that last step. I remember having neighbors who would keep cats and deliberately not feed them because "it made them better hunters"

[Edited on April 25, 2015 at 6:46 PM. Reason : it is called an edit learn how to use it Double posting is supposedly frowned upon]

4/25/2015 6:41:25 PM

When you have three different points and you're drinking, three posts are cool I guess. Why are y'all getting on me so much about that?

And no, I don't think there's anything sexual about hunting pythons in the everglades. I think there was even a high-paying contest in it recently. That would have been really cool.

4/25/2015 6:52:29 PM

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"Do not consecutively reply to a topic - If you are within the alloted timespan for editing a message that no one has replied to and you think of something to add, EDIT the message. DO NOT REPLY AGAIN. Constant abuse of this will not be tolerated."

There was a contest but it wasn't exactly high paying. Actually debated the idea of a bounty system with some of my colleagues the major concern being mis identification and killing of native species. I am a big fan of the idea you would just have to levy stiff penalties for killing native species. However, there is a lot of grant money in the Burmese python problem right now so the cynic in me is fairly certain the problem is being overblown and maybe some folks don't really want to see it solved that easily. Nothing pays like a little public hysteria.

4/25/2015 6:59:53 PM

I think honestly if a Burmese were crossing my street or something, my natural reaction wouldn't be to kill it in whatever fashion I fancied. I would probably call the authorities and get it straightened out before, you know, shooting an arrow through its head, or a machete or whatever. I wouldn't be scared of it or anything; I lived in a house at one point with 14 or so of those things. They stink, they suck, they just want to kill you. Still wouldn't SLICE EM UP.

4/25/2015 7:09:57 PM

Imagine if the authorities then brought the burmese back to your neighbor who refused to keep it out of your yard. At some point you will get sick of it especially if you care at all about the wildlife in your area.

4/25/2015 9:03:53 PM

I hate snakes more than cats. My dad taught me this trick where you brake hard as you hit them so you lock the tire on them and rip there guts out. Its pretty cool, I'll take a video of the next one that gets it.

4/25/2015 9:12:24 PM

^ Fear makes us do stupid things. I'm sorry you are so afraid of harmless wildlife. It must be really scary to go outside...

4/26/2015 9:16:26 AM

Kill cat!!!! leave my precious snakes alone.


FUCK FERAL CATS, AND FUCK SNAKES

4/26/2015 9:36:05 AM

One is wildlife (around here no established invasive species of snakes) and one is a clearly documented damaging feral species. I am not sure exactly why that difference is so hard for you to grasp?

4/26/2015 11:39:22 AM

blackjesus fights for the rights of criminals...

wants to kill innocent animals

4/26/2015 11:46:09 AM

So far itt we have multiple cat champions, a snake champion, and lots of troll champions. Continue.

You can't come in here and go rawr rawr kill the kitty, and the next second start crying because I prefer all snakes to be dead.

^Human life > unintelligent animal life, all day, twice on Sunday PRAISE THE LORD.

4/26/2015 1:10:12 PM

don't kill snakes just because they're snakes; non-poisonous snakes tend to keep the poisonous snakes away in addition to controlling rat/mice populations.

4/26/2015 1:52:22 PM

So, for anyone else with a neighborhood cat problem...

I finally met with the irrigation guy today. We're going to install a sprinkler system in my yard. It turns out that a very large part of the cost of such an install is just the labor in digging and burying all the pipes. We're going to install a normal system just like any other yard has, except that in some of the trenches, we are going to run a second, totally separate set of pipes, with sprinkler heads set up to just blast streams of water all over the yard. From plumbing to controls, it will be totally separate, and not really designed to perfectly cover all the grass, but to just throw streams over water all over the place (so what if it doesn't quite reach a corner, or if it waters the driveway some, or whatever).

It won't have different zones, and will be on a mechanical timer so that it will only spray for a short period (he said we can probably set it to 15 seconds or something). I will place motion sensors (probably PIR-type) in various places around the yard; if any of them get triggered, the whole yard will open up briefly with sprinklers.

I'm thinking about going with a product that's specifically designed to repel cats. It's a motion sensor with an ultrasonic speaker. I might do both...if anything walks into the yard, it'll trigger at least that particular ultrasonic speaker, as well as the whole series of sprinkler heads. They cost at least 5x as much as a basic PIR, though.

I already had a decent idea of what I wanted to build, and then I found an installer who's done a bunch of work on high-end stuff, like houses where the fountains turn on when you walk outside, etc. Same principle, just a different application. It's just tougher because it's a smaller target to detect, and you don't know where they'll come from, so you have to cover wide areas.

8/9/2015 12:14:28 AM

What about the mail man?

8/9/2015 12:47:38 AM

i couldn't imagine a situation where i'd spend thousands of dollars just so a stray cat wouldn't shit in my yard

8/9/2015 12:55:55 AM

Wait what exactly is a neighborhood cat problem?

[Edited on August 9, 2015 at 1:04 AM. Reason : ^]

8/9/2015 1:03:32 AM

There was an old lady I met several years ago who had a gang of cats constantly fucking in her backyard. It was pretty funny bc I didn't have to live there.

8/9/2015 3:08:22 PM

^^^^ I'm going to more or less try to keep it from spraying outside the grass. if it hits the driveway, side of the house, or fence, that isn't the end of the world. It'll just be a 15-second burst or something.

I'm sure there will be some people who will not know, walk into the yard, and get hosed. Oh well. It might even happen to me. Oh well. I'll be goddamned if I'm going to constantly have cat shit all over my yard, or for that matter, paw prints or scratches on a car/boat/motorcycle if I leave anything outside for a while (and the boat, when I get it, will stay parked outside...I'm also about to have a '66 pickup with a full frame-off restoration and nice paint job. It'll be kept indoors, but I don't want to have to be guarded about leaving it unattended in my own damned driveway).

I haven't quite resolved how to have good coverage of everything in a way that won't trigger the system every time I pull in or out of the driveway in my car, haha. I'm gonna give it some more thought; I don't know if I can do it with placement, but I think I may be able to with shielding the sensors. Worst case, it'll just spray water around the yard for 15 seconds every time I come or go.

^^^ me neither; i'd just dispose of them the old fashioned way. this will only cost an extra $150 over the cost of the sprinkler system, plus however much I spend on the sensors (which could potentially be as little as maybe $60 or so for 3-4 PIR sensors).

^^ uhh, what isn't self-explanatory?


[Edited on August 9, 2015 at 10:32 PM. Reason : ]

8/9/2015 10:22:11 PM