pretty wild that there are so many murders by vehicle that go undocumented

don't you remember the first time you drove your firearm to where you needed to be?

6/19/2015 1:36:02 AM

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"I was comparing giving your son an SUV to giving your son a gun. "

Yup. That's exactly what you did...twice, for some reason.

But kudos to you for keeping up with your own stupid words.

6/19/2015 1:38:13 AM

another word that was conviently forgotten (twice) in the absurd SUV analogy: unchecked.

6/19/2015 1:41:47 AM

yall really think billy bob or tyrone are gonna not give their only son a gun because of a law?

6/19/2015 1:48:42 AM

Perhaps not but at least the shit would be illegal.

I'll take what I can get.

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 1:50 AM. Reason : But yeah I'd totally like to hear more about the family, in a TMZ kinda way.]

6/19/2015 1:49:55 AM

I'm just saying, it might help make gun runners' jobs more difficult which is good. I don't think it's gonna come between a father and son though, imo. Nazi family or not.

6/19/2015 1:51:00 AM

laws have consequences when broken

consequences that deter certain decisions

6/19/2015 1:52:20 AM

I don't know, between synapse and BobbyDigital, I'm not sure which one of them love the smell of their own shit more

You really want the government to come between what parents are allowed to give their children? Need some more regulation to help you sleep at night? Need more stuff to be declared illegal, right? That's worked out great, so far.

I'm pretty sure that the government could make that action punishable by death and my grandfather would still have given me his Remington 1100 when I turned 16. GHOST GUN, NEEDS TRACKING

6/19/2015 1:55:11 AM

I thought u were taking about SUVs d00d. Don't give up so easily.

6/19/2015 2:19:32 AM

we really talking about legislation on guns that might "deter" people from killing innocent folks? You do realize that murder is illegal, right? Didn't seem to stop this lil you know what from going in there and murdering 9 innocent folks in cold blood. Legislation to make guns illegal isn't gonna stop this. The world has become a sick place.

6/19/2015 3:21:26 AM

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"t. This is a mental health and more broadly, American social problem."

This shooting isn't about mental health, it's about terrorism

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"You really want the government to come between what parents are allowed to give their children? "

Give your 10 year old a bottle of whiskey and the keys to your motorcycle, govt can't stop you!!

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 7:15 AM. Reason : A]

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"ou do realize that murder is illegal, right?"

But the seller/giver of the gun committed no crime. The killer is obviously willing to commit a crime, doesn't mean that other party is.

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 7:18 AM. Reason : A]

6/19/2015 7:13:30 AM

RAWR RAWR it's so hopeless you think gun laws would do anything??!!

Well, yes. Yes I do. Since there is a veritable Everest of data supporting that conclusion. I'm a numbers guy, can't help it.

6/19/2015 7:18:03 AM

Its too bad nobody explained to this guy that race is a social construct. He might have spared those lives.

6/19/2015 7:27:50 AM

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"Something tells me there's rot all through this family. Hopefully the father will be held liable somehow, which is what laws blocking these loopholes would enable."

If it can be shown that the father knew of his son's felony charges, and he still gifted him the gun, he can be held liable.


And I would absolutely call this a private exchange loophole; in the sense that one cannot walk into a gun store and purchase the weapon with felony charges against them (which would turn up in a background check), but can still get it through other means which are unregulated. South Carolina is a state that does not require any type of background check for private sales. It is still illegal give guns to people that you know have felony charges against them, but you also don't have to ask. That sounds like a loophole to me. Several states have closed this loophole by the way, by requiring even private transfers to take place at a licensed gunshop or police office, or by requiring a purchasing license which private transfers should ask the customer to produce.

Would this keep guns out of the hands of all people who shouldn't have them? No. And it doesn't cover the case where one legally owns a gun before catching a felony charge. But it certainly doesn't allow for a legal way to obtain them after the charge. And if Roof was ever found walking/riding around with his gun like some of his neighbors claimed, it may have been grounds to take that firearm away from him.


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Updated post:
I'm still not sure exatly how he got the gun. Roof says that he bought it himself after his 21st birthday in April. But he was caught that felony charge in March, so he should not have been able to go into a store to buy the gun. It seems like it really was gifted to him, or he bought it privately.

6/19/2015 7:53:54 AM

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"We're better off having some shootings, as bad as that sounds."

wat

6/19/2015 8:16:53 AM

there's millions of people who suffer mental health problems who don't go on shooting rampages. yes, this guy likely did suffer from mental problems but mental health issues alone do not cause people to kill others.

that's why i can't buy this argument:

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"This is a mental health and more broadly, American social problem."

and i do agree that there is a problem with how we treat mental health issues in America. but this is not an example of that.

6/19/2015 8:22:49 AM

This is one of those D) All of the above moment.

Definitely had mental issues
Definitely shouldn't have had a gun
Definitely was racist

What a piece of human garbage. Is there a way to insure the prison he goes to has zero aryan nation network?

6/19/2015 8:29:46 AM

In the nonsense that followed I see moron made a post that totally encompasses this situation. This kid, as so many others in the rural areas of this country are, was raised in a cauldron of hate and racism. Mental illness didn't cause this kid to harbor the feelings towards blacks that he did to the point he obviously was aware of apartheid and minority-white ruled Africa.

Everything else -- gun control, mental health, etc -- is a red herring in this case. I hate to say it bluntly but these views are routinely reinforced by certain political factions in this country as well. An us vs. the others mentality.

6/19/2015 8:31:40 AM

It is sounding more and more like he planned this shit. According to those that know him, he often ranted about blacks; and was touched off by the events in Ferguson, Missouri, and Baltimore. He obviously had strong feels and a sense of association white supremacy, and one can only assume the racist elements of the confederacy. He dropped out of high school, had a drug problem, and couldn't hold a steady job. Then he apparently sat with the parishioners before slaughtering them.


That doesn't sound like the profile of someone mentally ill to me. That sounds like an angsty teenager that blamed minorities for his own problems.

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 8:35 AM. Reason : Tine]

6/19/2015 8:33:21 AM

And we will continue as a country to just say that he was a loner who was sick so we can conveniently ignore our ugly past and nearly as ugly present.

6/19/2015 8:35:26 AM

Hey guys, Santorum and the rest of the Fox News idiots are saying this is about attack on Christian Values and not race issues, so can we not making this a black/white issue?

6/19/2015 8:45:24 AM

Whenever major news events like this happen I always read these threads and think, has any actual problem ever been solved by TWW?

6/19/2015 8:53:07 AM

Cool 5 of the first 6 comments on WRAL are links to black on white crimes.

I'm convinced the vast majority of non-city based residents of my state are ignorant evil people.

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 9:10 AM. Reason : Lol and one says Obama is starting racewar to declare martialaw]

6/19/2015 9:06:50 AM

good news for police who racially profile blacks, hispanics, middle easterners, etc. and occasionally kill them

you're not actually racist! you just have mental health issues

the country is going to get you the help you need so you can get back on the beat as soon as you can

god bless america, and no one else

6/19/2015 9:08:36 AM

Wonder if this guy was behind it

6/19/2015 9:13:53 AM

Its obvious he had mental issues because you have to be "off" to some degree to kill 9 people in cold blood. It's also obvious he's racist. I don't know why this is even up for discussion.

6/19/2015 9:23:47 AM

what is the tipping point for body count for it to be a mental health issues vs. racism?

like, if he had just killed one black guy, would it have been just racism?

6/19/2015 9:31:43 AM

Every situation is unique. But cold-blooded killing no doubt means something is "off". When you target a specific race (as well as his past behavior), then obviously its racism as well.

6/19/2015 9:34:32 AM

^^^ ANYONE who takes a life has mental issues somewhere along the line. Whether short-term because of blind rage or desperation or because they were indoctrinated over time with hate (extremism).

It's a cop-out in these situations to always hold nature over nurture..

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 9:36 AM. Reason : X]

6/19/2015 9:35:46 AM

Come on guys, we can solve this before lunch if we try.

6/19/2015 9:45:04 AM

so if a guy comes home and finds his wife in bed with another man and he shoots the other guy, the husband has mental health issues?

anger and jealousy are "mental health" issues?

you can't be serious

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 9:47 AM. Reason : .]

6/19/2015 9:45:06 AM

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"so if a guy comes home and finds his wife in bed with another man and he shoots the other guy, the husband has mental health issues? "

I guess it depends on your definition of "cold blood". I honestly have no idea what it's suppose to mean...but I wouldn't call that cold blood. That's rage, jealousy, etc. Obviously killing someone in a state of mind like that, or obviously fear, protection, etc...probably doesn't come from mental health issues. But OBVIOUSLY, killing 9 people you have no connection to, didn't do anything to you personally, and present no physical threat to you...means you have mental issues.

And since you singled out those people because of the color of their skin...then it's also obvious you are racist.

Is that a good enough explanation?

6/19/2015 9:51:48 AM

http://gawker.com/somber-jon-stewart-delivers-scathing-monologue-about-ch-1712464655

Jon Stewart +1

6/19/2015 10:05:38 AM

^^^ I'm not a neuroscientist (and I assume neither are you) but anger and jealousy in and of themselves are not mental illness of course. But when they drive you to uncontrollable rage surely that is a short-term warp of an otherwise functional brain.

My point is solely that too often we allocate this type of thing to the nature of mental health as opposed to the nurture of growing up in a culture of hate.

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 10:08 AM. Reason : I Should have clarified between taking a life and murder obviously]

6/19/2015 10:06:07 AM

I am not sure why it cannot be both racism and mental health issues. Clearly the kid was a racist and that likely fueled a lot of this but clearly he was pretty fucked up in the head in other ways as well.

6/19/2015 10:07:45 AM

Do we give the same benefit of doubt to terrorists? I've rarely seen mental health brought up with suicide bombers. But you're right of course.

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 10:10 AM. Reason : X]

6/19/2015 10:09:23 AM

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"Stewart addressed the hypocrisy of South Carolina’s reverence for its Confederate and deeply racist past. “Nine people were shot in a black church by a white guy who hated them who wanted to start some sort of civil war,” he said. “The confederate flag flies over South Carolina. And the roads are named for confederate generals. And the white guy is the one who feels like his country is being taken away from him. We’re bringing it on ourselves. And that’s the thing—al Qaeda, ISIS, they’re not shit compared to the damage we can do to ourselves on a regular basis.”"

6/19/2015 10:10:57 AM

did the guys who flew the planes on 9/11 just have mental health issues?

would better mental health care for people in the middle east prevented 9/11?

of course not.

"mental health" is just a convenient excuse when a white person murders a lot of people and everyone gets scared of guns getting taken away.

this guy was a racist. and a terrorist. who could get a gun because our country fucking sucks donkey balls when it comes to guns. now 9 people are dead and this cracker ass cracker gets people to say "WOE IS BE. OUR MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM NEEDS IMPROVEMENT"

fuck. that. shit.

6/19/2015 10:18:17 AM

That I agree with 100%. It's a contributive factor but also a red herring to the whole story.

6/19/2015 10:19:57 AM

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"Do we give the same benefit of doubt to terrorists? I've rarely seen mental health brought up with suicide bombers. But you're right of course."

Then you are getting into religious extremism where people are essentially brain washed into believing what they are doing is for god. I am not sure if you would qualify that as a mental issue like severe depression, anxiety, bipolar, multiple personality disorders, etc but I would say you have to be fucked in the head to do something like that. Not sure if a psychiatrist would diagnose them as having a mental disorder or not but it sure seems like all of these mass shooters are typically diagnosed as having some sort of mental disorder by a qualified health professional.

6/19/2015 10:24:51 AM

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"I am not sure why it cannot be both racism and mental health issues. Clearly the kid was a racist and that likely fueled a lot of this but clearly he was pretty fucked up in the head in other ways as well. "

It certainly can be, but like ^^^ said:

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""mental health" is just a convenient excuse when a white person murders a lot of people and everyone gets scared of guns getting taken away."

i think "mental health problems" or pleading "insanity", while sometimes valid, is also a way we - the public - rationalize such a horrific thing. were people who led lynchings and killings of black people a hundred years ago mentally unstable? or just violent, racist assholes?


[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 10:26 AM. Reason : f]

6/19/2015 10:25:07 AM

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"That I agree with 100%. It's a contributive factor but also a red herring to the whole story."

ok i hear ya

6/19/2015 10:26:17 AM

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""mental health" is just a convenient excuse when a white person murders a lot of people and everyone gets scared of guns getting taken away."

People thought that Seung-Hui Cho had mental issues as well but he wasn't white.

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 10:27 AM. Reason : .]

6/19/2015 10:27:07 AM

Finally. Some caps lock.

6/19/2015 10:30:27 AM

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/06/19/white-suspect-confesses-to-deadly-attack-on-black-u-s-church-c/21198474/

Quote :

"One official reportedly told CNN Roof said he wanted to start a race war as well."

BUT IT'S ATTACK AGAINST CHRISTIANITY!!!!!

6/19/2015 10:35:21 AM

6/19/2015 10:37:39 AM

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/dylann-roof-almost-didnt-go-through-charleston-church-shooting-n378341?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=0d887bb20ff2596957427cb8c1dce9c8

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"Roof, 21, has told police that he "almost didn't go through with it because everyone was so nice to him," sources told NBC News."

oh jesus fucking christ, man.

also:

6/19/2015 10:47:53 AM

i appreciate the skerlina lawmakers making it law that the confederate flag can not be removed, to the point where it has no pulley system and can't even be lowered.

6/19/2015 10:50:20 AM

You can print a gun receiver (just add stock and barrel) and as many high capacity magazines as you want on a 3D printer, yet we are still talking about bans. The whole notion of banning something that can be printed on an as needed basis seems like a farce. Technology and knowledge doesn't just disappear; especially as it becomes easier and cheaper to produce at home. Both sides of the argument should quit wasting their time, energy, and money on this useless debate. We are running on a treadmill and pretending we're going to end up somewhere other than exactly where we are. The lobbyists, politicians, and other profiteers are the only ones who will gain anything from these efforts.

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 10:51 AM. Reason : l]

6/19/2015 10:50:31 AM

^has even one person in this thread mentioned a "ban"?

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"Then you are getting into religious extremism racial extremism where people are essentially brain washed into believing what they are doing is for god. their race"

6/19/2015 10:59:31 AM