^ yeah I mentioned that earlier and nobody said a damn thing

11/12/2015 4:10:51 PM

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""you say that as a white dude who doesn't have to deal with blatant racism on any level""

This is the ultimate attempt to shut down any white person who tries to make any argument regarding racism.

11/12/2015 4:12:54 PM

what?

11/12/2015 4:14:25 PM

Any time any white person tries to get into the argument of systemic racism, oppression, whatever, and their views don't line up with yours, you get the ""you say that as a white dude who doesn't have to deal with blatant racism on any level" dropped on you.

Every time.

11/12/2015 4:16:41 PM

Oh you've been the target of racism a lot during the course of your life?

11/12/2015 4:16:42 PM

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"Any time any white person tries to get into the argument of systemic racism, oppression, whatever, and their views don't line up with yours, you get the ""you say that as a white dude who doesn't have to deal with blatant racism on any level" dropped on you. Every time."

what part of my post do you disagree with?

are you insinuating that black people don't deal with racism on a regular basis?

or that you as a white person do?

11/12/2015 4:23:04 PM

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"Which is why we need university leaders that will foster a more enlightened and tolerant student body, so we don't perpetuate churning out 'educated' adults like you. "

From my observations Universities are already very enlightened, tolerant, and respectful or folks of various backgrounds/race/sexual orientation/etc.
Even when I was in school there were dozens of minority focus groups, being PC was expected, and people of all backgrounds mingled amiably.

A few outliers making yelling a racial slur, a cotton ball incident 5 years ago, a TP noose found in a random bathroom stall,
or a poop swastika isn't proof that there is overall lack of tolerance, disrespect of diversity, or discrimination issue on campus. I get my information from
CNN.com that seems to be heavily biased in support of the protestors, yet as i've complained the trigger of this current protest as reported is merely these
random events by a few racist shit-heads afterwhich the president of the UoM system merely shrugged his shoulders regarding.

Perhaps he should have gone on-stage apologizing on behalf of white society because some red-neck yelled the N-word terrorizing a group of delicate individuals whose ego was shattered and innocence lost during the event. He can then go on to apologize for the cotton incident in 2010 and if he really wants to make amends apologize for the enslavement of African-Americans by
white people in the 1800's. AM I RITE :BEATUP

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"yeah I mentioned that earlier and nobody said a damn thing"

Dude i'm not even conservative and i've had countless posts bashing several clowns in the GOP pool of presidential candidates.

I'm actually pretty progressive. While I do believe that there is an overall need for criminal justice reform and issues of systemic racism affecting minorities in some places of our society, I think by 2015 this is largely a minor issue. I don't buy this false narrative of victimization played by many nor this attitude that we are all sensitive flowers and should be protected from any idea/words that make feel uncomfortable.

This is a fucking distraction issue, like what republicans do with abortion/gay-marriage/etc, to rally the base but all drives moderates and indies away from real liberal issues that need to be addressed.

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"are you insinuating that black people don't deal with racism on a regular basis?"

Yes in 2015 i fail to believe that black people in most places in this country deal with racism on a regular/daily basis.



[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 4:30 PM. Reason : fixed double neg]

11/12/2015 4:23:34 PM

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"Yes in 2015 i fail to believe that black people in most places in this country do not deal with racism on a regular/daily basis. "

Is that an intentional double-negative or a typo?

11/12/2015 4:28:47 PM

There you go with a straw man, accusing me of saying that black people don't have to deal with racism. They most certainly do, so don't put words in my mouth. I just can't comment on it because whenever I do, you say I'll never understand because I'm white, thus attempting to invalidate everything I say about the issue.

Does racism exist? Yes, it exists.

Is it oppressive? Oppressive is a very heavy word. In 2015, I don't believe oppression is the word we should be using. Apartheid was oppressive. Jim Crow was oppressive. 2015 America is not oppressive.

11/12/2015 4:28:49 PM

If you go against the liberal lynch mob and the false narrative of oppression you're a racist bigot

11/12/2015 4:30:27 PM

11/12/2015 4:31:49 PM

Last week while at a job-site for construction one of the old scruffy electricians called me a young whipper-snapper. This very much offended me as a 30 yr old professional and seemed discriminatory towards my age. I should probably write a letter to HR demanding an apology from our CEO and for this worker to be reprimanded. Micro-aggressions like this make performing my job intolerable and disrupts my ability to work

11/12/2015 4:35:55 PM

^ That is oppression.

11/12/2015 4:43:04 PM

11/12/2015 4:54:36 PM

JCE2011 we should accept that we are just bigots. We will never understand the daily oppression and struggle that individuals of minority groups face. The right thing for us would be to empty our savings, that we unfairly accumulated as member of the white privilege group, and start handing our $100 bills as a way of saying "sorry".

11/12/2015 5:05:46 PM

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"There you go with a straw man, accusing me of saying that black people don't have to deal with racism. They most certainly do, so don't put words in my mouth. I just can't comment on it because whenever I do, you say I'll never understand because I'm white, thus attempting to invalidate everything I say about the issue. Does racism exist? Yes, it exists."

look man, when you say something like this:

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"Universities are there for learning and training for a career in whatever space you choose. Part of that learning is to deal with how things work in the real world. I don't want to go to a university that is going to coddle me along for four or five years in a protective bubble from mean people who don't agree with my worldview."

there is an implication that black people just need to deal with it, when the "it" in question is something that we, as white people, don't have to deal with on a daily basis.

with something like racism and racist terms, there is no need to bring up being "coddled for four or five years in a protective bubble from mean people who don't agree with my worldview".

it's in a completely different universe than anything having to deal with a college student being coddled in protective bubble. it's totally absurd to throw a "just deal with it" to black people when talking about racism.

11/12/2015 5:05:57 PM

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"there is an implication that black people just need to deal with it, when the "it" in question is something that we, as white people, don't have to deal with on a daily basis."

No one is saying just suck it up and "deal with it" but the expectations, reaction, and demands of this Student 1950 group seemed to be based on some warped reality.

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"in question is something that we, as white people, don't have to deal with on a daily basis."

i'm still confused on alleged daily struggle faced by these "oppressed" minorities or as viewed from these random hipster liberal activist whites that make up a sizable chunk of the protest group. From the reports i've seen the issue amounts to as exhaustively rehashed in this thread:

- A couple incidents of a outlier racist shit-head shouting a racial slut.
- A cotton ball incident 5 years ago
- An alleged poo-poo swastika

What are these alleged daily struggles that you discuss?

11/12/2015 5:19:27 PM

I would agree, that in large parts of the country (but not everywhere-- perhaps not Missouri) that the "daily struggle" of racism is possibly non-existent. But why is this relevant, when the systemic struggles are still present, and even more important than any daily interpersonal interactions? No one is saying no progress has been made since the 60s, but theres still clearly lots of progress left to be made.

If you're suggesting that progress on the metrics of sentencing or job callback rates could be improved by just never talking about race, ever, that's an interesting hypothesis (not really) that I can't see any rational basis for-- do you have one?

Based on a study that showed merely priming jurors that institutional discrimination exists seems to nearly eliminate biased decisions, then having leaders just raise awareness could make substantial progress. I don't know this this same effect has been studied for HR managers, but it's worth looking into. There's also been studies for K-12 education that the presence of teachers from a similar background to the students helps improve outcomes for minority students-- this is worth looking into for Mo. too (since their faculty has very little black representation).

If you know of a better way to approach solving problems that doesn't rely on research, and scientific studies, me and the rest of the world are all ears.

Another interesting bit of data, that I have no context for, is that black student retention rates have dropped over the past 10 years, while Asians (the lowest, paradoxically relative to the rest of the country) and hispanics have shot up, and whites of course top the charts (nationally Asians have a slight edge in retention rates).
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mizzou-would-need-400-more-black-faculty-and-staff-to-meet-students-demands/?ex_cid=538twitter

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 5:34 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2015 5:32:50 PM

Part of my argument is to not confuse systemic racism with oppression

11/12/2015 5:45:53 PM

huh?

how can systemic racism != oppression ?

It doesn't require intentional malice from a specific person to be oppression, at least the way I think about it.

11/12/2015 5:52:35 PM

To people like JCE and HUR, racism is men in ropes yelling the n word or burning crosses. They don't have any idea about how modern racism nuances manifest themselves in everyday life. If they don't see it, it doesn't exist.


We really are wasting your time trying to explain this to them. I have friends who choose the wrong side of every police issue and have been trying to explain it to them for years. HUR said this in the other section

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"I'm not totally opposed to Trump."

Thats all you need to know

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 6:11 PM. Reason : k]

11/12/2015 6:09:35 PM

LOL, are we not totally opposed to everyone who's running?

Like, if I vote, I'm showing up wasted to the polls and having a party...is anyone actually taking it more seriously?

11/12/2015 6:15:44 PM

https://leadership.ncsu.edu/about/chancellor/letters/diversity-at-nc-state/

Woodson just posted that.

http://myfox8.com/2015/11/11/greensboro-police-chief-details-department-changes/

Greensboro police just announced that as well.

So let's look at these dominoes... Trayvon Martin shooting garnered outrage, not much changed... a few other shootings happen of unarmed blacks (John Crawford, Tamir Rice), some minor outrage... nothing happened. Eric Garner in NY was choked out, people were pissed, most people agreed cops overstepped, around the same time the Michael Brown shooting happened, and people flipped out. Massive protests and a few riots resulted in more media coverage than before... this triggered a justice department investigation, started the #Blacklivesmatter movement, with the ultimate conclusion that there was no specific wrongdoing against Michael Brown, but Ferguson PD was horribly biased in how they police. This then lead to scrutiny of police across the country, resulting in Greensboro police (and many others) changing tactics in response. You have a University President that couldn't give a crap about racism get ousted in Mo., and other universities taking more serious steps to address issues of racism and discrimination.

#BlackLivesMatter couldn't ask for better response to the years of protest, and i'm sure these successes will only cause more people to get involved and a fairer society for all of us.

11/12/2015 6:17:56 PM

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"We really are wasting your time trying to explain this to them. I have friends who choose the wrong side of every police issue and have been trying to explain it to them for years. HUR said this in the other section Quote : "I'm not totally opposed to Trump." Thats all you need to know"

dude you totally took this out of context, every other assertion I've made outside of this thread supports platforms in direct opposition to what Repblicans stand for. Relative to Mr. The Pyramids are Grain silos and the Bible champion cowboy from Texas, Trump is relatively not an unreasonable candidate. If you look past his insensitive rants regarding minorities and his likelihood to start WW3 a lot of his political positions overlap with the progressive camps in several categories. Plus he's not sucking
on the teets of the Big Corporations like Rubio/Bush/Clinton

Plus if you really dig into his more nut-so rants it almost seems obvious that he's merely riling up and playing to the audience. Unlike Carson/Cruz who truly believes some this crazy shit that comes out of his mouth.

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" Trayvon Martin shooting garnered outrage"

Except Trayvon was shot by a Hispanic American that was not a fucking cop. The Eric Garner was a legitimate situation to be
outrage and warrant protests. I would argue that the uncivilized behavior after Michael Brown was more counter-productive than
anything.

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"1. The department will temporarily suspend traffic violations solely for vehicle equipment infractions. The chief says a detailed list of the vehicle equipment infractions that officers won't stop you for will be released later on in the week by his office but he summarizes the new policy by saying officers will not pull drivers over just because of broken headlights or taillights. The chief says 25 percent of all traffic stops are because of minor vehicle equipment infractions. "

While I respect the intent, I don't quite agree with this. Perhaps I have not noticed that my tag light is out or maybe i'm not observant and couldn't tell my head light is out. I think in the name of public safety it wouldn't be unreasonable for a officer as a courtesy to pull a driver to give a friendly "heads up" to fix the issue.

Using this as a money making scheme and as a fishing technique looking for drugs or an excuse to press more charges is the problem. By saying that there will NOT be any stops for equipment infractions, how do you disincentive one who may knowingly and willingly continue to drive with broken tail lights or a blow headlight.

Most of these equipment tickets are usually dropped I thought upon proof that you fixed the problem. If you never fix the problem and or skip your court date that is when the problem escalates.

I agree with the rest of the changes.

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 6:38 PM. Reason : a]

11/12/2015 6:29:30 PM

I already provided an alternative to that in the other thread. You can mail someone a notice for an equipment violation.

11/12/2015 6:41:43 PM

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"and "faked story about poop swastika", can't believe you've bought into this. Has anyone actually came out and said it was fake?"

Seriously? There's not a single picture ANYWHERE of this. There's not a police report. There's no RA or anyone quoted as saying it actually happened. For something so heinous and terrible, there's not a single shred of physical evidence anywhere for it. It's virtually impossible that no one snapped a photo of it in this day and age.
Finally saw an actual police report regarding it. Still, it's surprising that no one photographed it, not even the police.

11/12/2015 6:43:49 PM

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"For example, a recent off campus party had as a theme BET vs. CMT. While not sponsored by an NC State affiliated organization, this event did have a number of our students in attendance and serves as another example where our university’s values are not always reflected by our community’s actions."

I'm sorry the outrage over this BET vs. CMT party is a perfect example of an overreaction by the PC lynch mob getting butthurt and offended over nothing. This party did not oppress minorities and surely was not part of some effort by the party-goers to discourage and intimidate minority students. Folks with thin skin choose to be offended and were the only ones intolerant.

By the way "thin" skin is an adjective of one who is easily offended and in no way shape or form a characteristic used to describe any sensitive minority group.

11/12/2015 6:44:17 PM

do you know what microagressions are and how they affect education?

11/12/2015 6:54:21 PM

Not this Micro-Aggression PC shit again

Don't worry man I get it we are all Sensitive Butterflies and our unique fragile minds can't handle people doing things that make us feel uncomfortable or offended.

Tomorrow I'm going to CEO of my company and demanding an apology after as I stated earlier an old electrician called me a young whipper snapper. I'm a 30 yr old professional engineer and these offensive micro-aggressions destroy my ability to work.

I was also offended when I saw a Caucasian American girl that I knew was from California dressed in overalls and a NASCAR t-shirt with a straw hurt. This was deeply insensitive to my Southern American upbringing and was a serious micro-aggression that oppresses me.



[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 7:07 PM. Reason : a]

11/12/2015 6:57:48 PM

^ you realize being upset at shifting cultural norms and adaptation to a widespread problem in our society makes you the whiny douche? "oh no, the world's changing and i don't understand why! someone comfort me!!" is basically what you're doing here.

11/12/2015 6:59:18 PM

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"do you know what microagressions are and how they affect education?"

Yes, and hypersensitivity to them is more damaging to education than complete insensitivity to them.

11/12/2015 7:10:48 PM

^ so why not try to join the conversation and help determine the right level of sensitivity, rather than sitting on the out skirts sneering and mocking like and old grandpa in their rocker yelling at kids to get off his lawn?

11/12/2015 7:18:57 PM

because, according to you, I'm just a white guy and I don't understand


and it's fun to yell at kids to get off my lawn

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 7:22 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2015 7:21:53 PM

You are a white guy, and you don't understand, but the 2 things in your case are not necessarily related.

also i don't think i've ever claimed you can't understand cuz you're white... the guy who helped Bree Newsome take down the confederate flag in SC was a white male, and her close friend.

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 7:28 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2015 7:27:37 PM

http://i.imgur.com/gqjFGfI.gifv

11/12/2015 8:42:03 PM

If you can seriously type the term "microaggression" with a straight face, then you've already lost.

11/12/2015 8:58:08 PM

^^ so insensitive and offensive you fucking piece of shit bigot. If I knew were you lived, I'd start a mob at your house and beat some sensitivity into.

11/12/2015 9:07:34 PM

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"To people like JCE and HUR, racism is men in ropes yelling the n word or burning crosses. They don't have any idea about how modern racism nuances manifest themselves in everyday life. If they don't see it, it doesn't exist."

Or if it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. You know, like the evidence that the Mizzou students were "oppressed".

Since when is evidence needed for a liberal false-narrative though? Facts and reality are racist bigots.

Lets look at the "oppressed victims" here...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/11/video-shows-university-missouri-activist-jonathan-butler-falsified-key-claim-president/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

And people wonder why someone would be "tone deaf" to an entitled, spoiled, whining liberal wanna be activist? Look at how immature and confrontational they are, look at how they lie. I hope Martin Luther King is taking notes from his grave, see how Johnathan Butler bravely overcame the oppression from jumping into an oppressive racist car? The sadder thing is you morons support this stupidity, and claim anyone that actually looks at this objectively is a racist.

11/12/2015 11:48:53 PM

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"EMCE: http://i.imgur.com/gqjFGfI.gifv "

In response:

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"HUR: ^^ so insensitive and offensive you fucking piece of shit bigot. If I knew were you lived, I'd start a mob at your house and beat some sensitivity into."

ok, what the hell just happened here?

11/13/2015 12:00:09 AM

Was sarcasm lol

11/13/2015 12:21:14 AM

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"And people wonder why someone would be "tone deaf" to an entitled, spoiled, whining liberal wanna be activist? Look at how immature and confrontational they are, look at how they lie. I hope Martin Luther King is taking notes from his grave, see how Johnathan Butler bravely overcame the oppression from jumping into an oppressive racist car? The sadder thing is you morons support this stupidity, and claim anyone that actually looks at this objectively is a racist. "

LOL, honest question, but are you bipolar?

11/13/2015 12:49:31 AM

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"claimed several times that he was hit by a car carrying the president in early October during the school’s homecoming parade"

Surely the driver hit the kid because he is racist and hates black people. AM I RITE

Not that the protestors were being aggressive miitantor anything...

I mean this is the same tactic the fucking power tripping cops used to justify shooting of that one white kid in SC and that other AfricanAmerican driver in the summer. During a stop, the driver attemptsnto flee, the cop then tries to step in front of the vehicle, shoots the driver, then claims it was all in self defence because the driver attempted at assault him.

Fucking hypocrisy

11/13/2015 2:00:24 AM

Just for the record, from page 3:

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"some of you are doing a hell of a job of showing exactly why the social environment that we're currently in the middle of is going on at a base level, black people would prefer the benefit-of-the-doubt every now and again yet some of you not only able to give it to them, you're outright calling them liars good job good effort"

One of the demands from the protestor, besides the now unemployed president acknowledging his evil white male privilege, is the ex-president apologizing for his car "hitting one of the protestors".

With this video showing Butler literally running into the car moving 1mph, it really shines light on what kind of "activism" this is. When you are protesting "oppression" that doesn't exist, sometimes you have to create some by trying to inflict it on yourself so you can be the "victim".

Not that any amount of evidence in the world would convince you gullible bleeding heart liberals that this Mizzou protest is anything but a shining example of heroic minorities overcoming adversity and oppression inflicted on them by the evil, racist, privileged, white males.

11/13/2015 9:50:59 AM

I'm not sure how Moron, TGL, E-Man, and the rest of their ilk can defend the "Student 1950" leader who after mobbing around the Univ. Presidents car, decided to step in front of it as it was trying to evacuate, only to scream bloody murder, RACISM, OPPRESSION, ATTACKING PROTESTERS; after being hit.

Except for running into running vehicles the protesters do seem peaceful. What would our ultra-liberal enlightened PC friends in this thread advocate if the crowd in general was more hostile in nation. Lets say perhaps banging on the vehicle, shaking it, perhaps a rock or two was thrown. Would it be appropriate with prudence if they, legitimately hit a few protesters blocking the vehicle, needed to escape in fear for personnel harm or safety?

OR as members of white privilege they need to accept their punishment/harassment as karma for years of oppression faced by minority students from red neck bigots yelling racial slurs and a cotton ball incident in 2010.

I'm not trivializing the wrongness and the need for punishment for those involved in this incident. The issue is even in the video the screaming their grievances regarding this incident from 5 YEARS ago evidence of the alleged oppresion.

[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 11:13 AM. Reason : s]

11/13/2015 10:58:49 AM

You keep getting stuck in the same loop instead of understanding the bigger picture.

Personally I've never gotten caught up in the individuals involved in these flash points but more with the general theme. Keep in mind that the DoJ simultaneously said Darren Wilson acted accordingly with MB but ALSO that there was a mountain of evidence of systemic racism in the department.

Most of you arguing and pointing to these events are missing it completely and can't see the forest for the trees.

11/13/2015 11:08:31 AM

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"so why not try to join the conversation and help determine the right level of sensitivity"

I think we've tried only to be told we'd never understand....

Here's my thoughts

Laying cotton balls around the African-American cultural center: A racist prank created with the intention of creating intimidation. If committed by a student this should face serious honor code consequences but i wouldn't say this would be criminal except for maybe littering.

Hanging a noose around a statue of a African-American leader or onto a tree of the Black culture center: Racist that should face legal consequences as it was done not only as intimidation but could be construed as a direct threat.

Saying the N-word: Racist and insensitive but depending on the setting (in a classroom setting vs. random red-neck walking through the Quad) and who said it (professor vs. peer) I don't think the student should face any legal or academic punishment. Perhaps depending on the context and situation the guy should be sent to a tolerance class.

Having a CMT v BET party: Get over and stop being overly sensitive. If this was the extent of "oppression" during MLK's era he'd be sitting on the couch watching NFL instead of leading rallies.

[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 11:24 AM. Reason : a]

11/13/2015 11:23:36 AM

Here's what a functioning administration looks like: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/13/a-campus-crushes-anti-muslim-hate.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

11/13/2015 11:37:20 AM

oh according to the protesters in the video during the "hitting students" scandal one of the grievances was in 2011 someone spray painted the N-word.

Honestly as a student on campus i'd feel pretty intimidated, unwelcome, and uncomfortable by what appears to be a hostile protest.

11/13/2015 11:46:28 AM

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"Dude i'm not even conservative and i've had countless posts bashing several clowns in the GOP pool of presidential candidates. "

You may consider yourself "progressive", but I can assure you are not. You have a backwards 1950s mentality when it comes to people.

11/13/2015 12:57:33 PM

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" You keep getting stuck in the same loop instead of understanding the bigger picture. "

Funny, I’m the one lacking “understanding” now because I displayed to gullible liberals how this entire Mizzou “oppression” narrative you were blindly defending is false?

I’ve noticed liberals fall back on this a lot, when specific pieces of evidence or specific cases are disproved; they fall back on vague references to “society” or “the bigger picture”. Nobody disagrees the historic racism that caused a disparity of wealth was unfair, nobody disagrees that people saying the N-word are assholes, nobody disagrees that Tyrone’s resume being 10% less likely to get a callback is wrong.

The disagreement I have, that the left deems racist, is that you can acknowledge the above are problems but still call out bullshit when you see it. This entire “Mizzou Oppression” narrative, just like “Hand’s up, don’t shoot” or “Ahmed Clock Bomb” is bullshit.

Liberalism needs these bullshit narratives to convince people they are victims, and since these narratives don’t hold up under scrutiny they have to hide them under the umbrella of “Racism is bad”. That way liberals support these narratives blindly, minorities think they are victims, anyone that disagrees is a Racist, and Hilary Clinton can tweet about it as the social justice champion defending victims.

A rich, entitled, college student claims, with zero evidence, there is “Oppression” in Mizzou, hiding the lack of actual evidence/specifics under the umbrella of “Racism is bad” he convinces liberal sheep, with the help of the social media echo-chamber, that he is a victim and being oppressed. 2 people lose their jobs and he submits a list of demands, one demand is an apology for being “hit” by the president’s car he jumped into after surrounding it. The entire thing is absolute lunacy. This is part of the “pussification” of America, this is what happens when you teach people that they are victims and the world will cater to them everytime they feel offended and throw a hissy fit.

Sure this entire “oppression” thing is complete bullshit run by some entitled, lying, race-baiting, wanna-be activist… but I agree with the “big picture” of “racism is bad”, so I should support this mindless lynch mob and retweet some hashtags and HuffingtonPost articles in the liberal echo chamber!!!



[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2015 1:04:47 PM