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"I'm with you in spirit, but are you advocating the US admits all refugees from every war torn country?"

what? how in the world did you get that from what I said?

11/16/2015 11:11:05 PM

Were you speaking on behalf of the French?

11/16/2015 11:15:47 PM

you know there's a screening process, right?

they don't just round up as many as they can fit on a plane without asking any questions

11/16/2015 11:18:16 PM

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" "

You always post one liners and emojis but never actually have any content to post. the potential casualties due to inaction in ww2 has been significantly researched. invading japan without the bomb would have cost over a million deaths and thats not even assuming civilians fought to the end. 10-25 million died in china and it would have been worse if it went on longer.
http://www.upa.pdx.edu/IMS/currentprojects/TAHv3/Content/PDFs/Operation_Downfall.pdf
We already know hitler exterminated 6 million jews. Bombing civilians to prevent him reaching more was certainly necessary.

[Edited on November 16, 2015 at 11:27 PM. Reason : l]

11/16/2015 11:22:21 PM

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"We already know hitler exterminated 2 million jews"

Troll troll troll your boat.

[Edited on November 16, 2015 at 11:30 PM. Reason : hey don't worry you were only off by 300%+]

11/16/2015 11:25:24 PM

didn't mean to make a typo that makes me look like a denier. if you paid any attention to the context you would realize correcting that typo actually strengthens my point.

11/16/2015 11:27:49 PM

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"Wtf, how do you envision this working??? Also, is there some right winger preaching this, because this is the 2nd time I've seen this obviously bad idea floated."

I don't really listen to preachers, right wing or left.

Who else is going to fight their war? Would you like to sign up and go over there?

You can stand there in denial all you want, and say that it isn't confirmed that one of the refugees France took in was part of the attack. But it only takes a few to wreak a lot of havoc.

If you want them here so badly, why don't you open up your home to a few? That would be a great multicultural experience for you and your family.

[Edited on November 16, 2015 at 11:30 PM. Reason : And do you really put your faith in the screening process?]

11/16/2015 11:29:41 PM

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/10/economist-explains-13

750,000 refugees admitted since 9/11, 2 have been implicated in aiding alqaeda in Iraq.

There's already a vetting process in place to ferret out terrorists.

I would bet the US completely blocking refugees would create more terrorists than it makes us safe from. ISIS probably already is using Jeb Bush's statements on only letting in Christians in a propaganda video.

11/16/2015 11:31:12 PM

God forbid we hurt some feelings and they use it against us.

Have you not learned yet that no matter what we do, they're gonna hate us? Fundamental Islam and western culture will never get along. Appeasement in any shape or form will only show weakness.

But again, are you willing to open your home to some randomly assigned refugee family? If so, you should write ol' Pat and tell him to stop being such a meanie and let them come to NC. (I realize these governors have no Constitutional authority to deny them coming)

11/16/2015 11:34:54 PM

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/alabama_gov_robert_bentley_rejects_refugees_playing_into_isis_s_hands.html

some fun facts about the vetting process are near the end of the article

11/16/2015 11:52:05 PM

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"Have you not learned yet that no matter what we do, they're gonna hate us? "

This is a fallacy. It's not a force of nature. It didn't come from nowhere. It was created, it's run by other humans that are on average no smarter than us.

Inflating it to the level of a mythical force is what causes us to make mistakes and react inadequately.

Also, not sure how you get "appeasement" from pointing out that Jeb said an absolutely objectively stupid thing.

And it's more appeasing to ISIS to acquiesce to their desire to keep Syrians in Syria for them to kill or radicalize. It's not appeasement for us to show ISIS that our culture is better than theirs and we are genuinely generous, intelligent people that are a force for good in the world.

We show weakness by cowering in fear at Syrian refugees because this is what ISIS intends for us to do.

11/16/2015 11:53:37 PM

I'm in favor of bringing in plenty of refugees (properly vetted).

...but there is no fucking point whatsoever in trying to demonstrate anything about our culture or society to ISIS. We're talking about a group who hanged Taliban leaders recently. We should do the right things because they're the right things, but concern with our image in the eyes of ISIS is one of the dumbest fucking ideas I've ever seen espoused.

The hierarchy of crazy Muslims is like this:

-Saudi Wahabis: Fucking crazy.

-al Qaeda: Fucking crazy, and terrorists. OBL roots in Saudi, but got kicked out for being a fuckhead. They are fucking nutty, but at the end of the day, they historically have political goals that they pursue strategically.

-Taliban: ideological roots with the Wahhabis, but even wackier, crazier, and less worldly. Even al Qaeda has had bad blood with these dipshits, finding them too backward and too extreme. Generally play checkers less than chess, a la al Qaeda. Mostly just want to fuck everything all to hell and back in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

ISIS: Doomsday cult who view basically everyone except themselves as heretics who must be killed or enslaved. Hanged Taliban leaders, because they were too moderate or something probably. Everyfuckingbody hates these useless caveman pieces of shit. Everybody. They are absolutely on another plane compared to any other group. There is no enlightening them and showing them that we're really not so bad...what sort of naive, imbecilic idea is that? The only thing to do with ISIS is kill them.

[Edited on November 17, 2015 at 12:20 AM. Reason : we may inflame things with certain Muslims with our FP, but that's not the issue w ISIS.]

11/17/2015 12:19:50 AM

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"...but there is no fucking point whatsoever in trying to demonstrate anything about our culture or society to ISIS. We're talking about a group who hanged Taliban leaders recently. We should do the right things because they're the right things, but concern with our image in the eyes of ISIS is one of the dumbest fucking ideas I've ever seen espoused."

I don't think the point is to demonstrate anything to ISIS or to project a certain image to ISIS--Rather, to demonstrate/project to POTENTIAL RECRUITS of ISIS, swaying them to our side, not theirs. Not only is that a good idea, I actually think it's essential.

11/17/2015 1:39:14 AM

Funny thing about isis craziness is that we did the same shit as them. Funny how crazy people get when they are trying to establish a new country and people get in their way.

11/17/2015 7:33:05 AM

^ That is intellectually ignorant. If you want to find a Western Civilizational example of it you could perhaps say the French Revolution. And if you don't understand the difference between the American Revolution and the French Revolution you need to go find your history teachers and tell them they failed.

Per BBC, France has invoked the Mutual Defense Clause of the European Union Treaty.

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"France has for the first time invoked the European Union's mutual defence clause. At a meeting in Brussels, EU defence ministers unanimously backed France's invocation of Article 42.7 of the Treaty of European Union, which obliges all EU member states to provide "aid and assistance" if another is attacked. But what does this mean? It is a little hard to say at the moment because the clause has never been invoked before, but this is what French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian had to say: "In practice either there will be co-operation in terms of pooling capabilities... or there will be support given on other operations so lightening our load elsewhere. What I've said to my colleagues is France can't do everything, we can't act alone." Mr Le Drian added that France was in "very close talks with our partners to take stock of what we can do together and what each partner can contribute"."

[Edited on November 17, 2015 at 7:44 AM. Reason : /]

11/17/2015 7:43:31 AM

police shield that raided the Bataclan:

11/17/2015 8:49:54 AM

guys the lady has been lifting the lamp beside the golden door for a few years now

11/17/2015 8:59:27 AM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2590109-belgium-vs-spain-friendly-cancelled-due-to-elevated-terror-threat-level?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Looks like the Terrorists are winning. Good job Belgium and Spain for cancelling the match as we cower before the might of ISIS!

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"ccording to the Belgian Red Devils, Tuesday’s friendly soccer match between Belgium and Spain was postponed because of an elevated terror threat level following Friday’s attacks in Paris."

11/17/2015 12:28:44 PM

At least 30 governors including the assclown in NC have acted out of cowardice and caved to ISIS.

11/17/2015 1:34:38 PM

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/17/islamic-states-goal-eliminating-the-grayzone-of-coexistence-between-muslims-and-the-west/

Haven't researched this any yet, but supposedly IS said this:

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"The [Charlie Hebdo attack] had “further [brought] division to the world,” the group said, boasting that it had polarized society and “eliminated the grayzone,” representing coexistence between religious groups. As a result, it said, Muslims living in the West would soon no longer be welcome in their own societies. Treated with increasing suspicion, distrust and hostility by their fellow citizens as a result of the deadly shooting, Western Muslims would soon be forced to “either apostatize … or they [migrate] to the Islamic State, and thereby escape persecution from the crusader governments and citizens,” the group stated, while threatening of more attacks to come."

11/17/2015 2:05:31 PM

^^
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/where-2016-candidates-stand-on-syrian-refugees-after-paris-attacks/

Looks like all the Republican candidates are cowering in fear, except Fiorina, who is just calling for "background checks".

O'Malley made this comment:

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""Accommodating 65,000 refugees in our country, people of 320 million is akin to making room for six and a half more people in a baseball stadium with 32,000," he said."

11/17/2015 2:13:40 PM

Not sure where this is supposed to go but a bomb was found in the stadium where Germany was set to play today.

11/17/2015 3:23:31 PM

It was supposedly in an ambulance outside of stadium.

I remember after 9/11 we had tons of scares that turned out to not be real so better to reserve judgment..

11/17/2015 3:24:53 PM

Chief of Police has confirmed bomb in stadium

11/17/2015 3:25:55 PM

???? Where are you seeing this? Everything from journalists says what I just posted. If a bomb was planted inside the stadium as you said that opens up a ton of new questions..

[Edited on November 17, 2015 at 3:38 PM. Reason : I'll always be skeptical of these stories that social media jump on but we will see]

11/17/2015 3:30:47 PM

http://screamer.deadspin.com/germany-netherlands-soccer-match-canceled-over-bomb-sca-1743072366

updating with tweets. I think it may be speculation.

11/17/2015 3:41:53 PM

@JonHaworthSky: #BREAKING: No arrests & no explosive devices recovered in Hannover according to Boris Pistorius, Minister of Interior Niedersachsen.

I'm curious if anything turns up. Like I said, I remember this happening almost daily after 9/11. Nothing wrong with some vigilance though.

11/17/2015 3:44:28 PM

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"The interior minister for Lower Saxony, Boris Pistorius, said that no arrests had been made so far, and said he could not confirm a report in a local newspaper that explosives had been found in an ambulance outside the stadium."

11/17/2015 3:46:33 PM

Inciting a panic. Daesh probably sees this as a victory

11/17/2015 3:55:15 PM

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"At least 30 governors including the assclown in NC have acted out of cowardice and caved to ISIS."

blah blah blah, actually some (most?) of them just want a re-evaluation and/or strengthening of the vetting process. Took two clicks of the mouse to see that's what McCrory wants.

11/17/2015 4:00:53 PM

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" That is intellectually ignorant. If you want to find a Western Civilizational example of it you could perhaps say the French Revolution. And if you don't understand the difference between the American Revolution and the French Revolution you need to go find your history teachers and tell them they failed."

Not talking about the American revolution but nice try. Talking about the sytematic ethnic cleansing of native americans.


You will say it was a long time ago yet we still cheer for a team named after it.

11/17/2015 7:35:49 PM

refugees... look Todd Starnes, who is known to be unbiased and only reports on the facts has put it perfectly...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/11/17/were-not-islamophobic-mr-obama-just-dont-want-to-get-blown-up.html?intcmp=trending

11/17/2015 7:48:45 PM

^Well written. I saw a good analogy yesterday, "You have a bowl full of M&M's. Two of them are poisonous, but look like the rest. Are you going to eat a hand full of M&M's?"

11/17/2015 10:47:56 PM

^I can't stand Todd Starnes, and I don't think that's really a good analogy at all. To make it more realistic: If you don't eat any M&M's, many of the good M&M's will see your prejudice against them and become poison themselves, allying themselves with the bad M&M's. Furthermore, they will be so radicalized by your ostracization they will sneak into your Reese's Pieces when you aren't looking and you will be poisoned by them, anyway.

Still a shitty analogy, I think, but I definitely think that's more realistic.

11/17/2015 11:14:36 PM

11/17/2015 11:25:09 PM

Analogies are used by people whose arguments can't stand on their own merits.

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"Todd Starnes, who is known to be unbiased and only reports on the facts"

That's sarcasm right?

[Edited on November 17, 2015 at 11:48 PM. Reason : must be]

11/17/2015 11:45:52 PM

http://mic.com/articles/128738/anonymous-declared-war-on-isis-and-now-isis-is-hitting-back

Anonymous Declared War on ISIS — And Now ISIS Is Hitting Back

11/17/2015 11:49:45 PM

Apparent suspect "pinned down" in Paris.

6 explosions were heard...no clue if it was concussion device related or explosive devices.

Interesting, I figured these guys would commit suicide without hesitation.

11/18/2015 1:44:53 AM

2 guys killed, 1 woman blew herself up.

good riddance, although it would have been good for them to face justice in a court. but i guess that would have only wasted money and time.

11/18/2015 5:23:54 AM

^ 5 captured.

more details and pics than you will find anywhere else:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3323196/Shooting-breaks-Paris-suburb-anti-terrorist-operation.html

11/18/2015 7:02:01 AM

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"Two U.S. flights to Paris diverted by bomb threats; innocent Muslims ejected from Baltimore plane for 'watching the news'; bomb squad in Chicago and 'firebomber racist' targets mosque - Two Air France flights headed to Paris were diverted after bomb threats - both flights landed safely - 4 passengers were pulled off plane at Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport early on Tuesday morning amid 'suspicion' - All four removed passengers were released without charges - Bomb squad called to Chicago's O'Hare airport for 'suspicious' package - Man arrested after he threatened to firebomb an Islamic center in Florida"

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"Earlier on Tuesday a woman and three other people were removed from a Chicago-bound flight in Maryland after a female passenger became suspicious of one of the men who was watching the news on his smartphone. The passenger alerted airplane staff on Spirit Airlines Flight 969 then grabbed her daughter and ran to the back of the plane."

11/18/2015 7:32:00 AM

Fear mongering accomplishing its goals I see...

If ISIS could've written a script it would be playing out just like this.

[Edited on November 18, 2015 at 9:05 AM. Reason : X]

11/18/2015 9:04:10 AM

Sounds like that raid thwarted another planned attack last night so that's good news at least.

11/18/2015 9:10:30 AM

^^ exactly

^ i don't think there was another planned attack... they just stormed the terrorist cell that some of the paris attackers were members of.

i always loved the look of certain french special police units:



[Edited on November 18, 2015 at 9:40 AM. Reason : ]

11/18/2015 9:38:19 AM

From what I have read police were making it sound like when the raided them it was apparent they were prepping to launch another operation of some sort so they feel like they got there just in time.

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"The security action occurred "right on time," police sources told CNN, as the targeted suspects were "about to move on some kind of operation.""

[Edited on November 18, 2015 at 9:50 AM. Reason : quote]

11/18/2015 9:48:55 AM

You know, I attribute that to France really playing up their engagement in the media. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they are plenty engaged.... This is just the glorified public face of it all.

"We got there just in time to prevent another attack....."
OK, maybe? Or maybe you just found one of their hideouts.


"France conducted 60 strikes on ISIL targets after the attacks on Friday "
Yeah, sure. What you're not saying is that the US has conducted thousands of strikes.

11/18/2015 9:57:47 AM

parsing this is an interesting mountain to die on. the woman blew herself up with a suicide vest after engaging the cops with an AK. hardly indicative of a storyline other than they were planning something.

11/18/2015 10:37:09 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/17/serbian-police-arrest-man-with-syrian-passport-matching-paris-attackers

Hmmmm....

11/18/2015 10:45:15 AM

They got the right guy and the wrong guy

11/18/2015 12:27:39 PM

^^ LOL is that passport blast proof?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-17/syrian-passport-in-paris-may-be-planted-german-minister-says

11/18/2015 2:18:50 PM