Quote :

"But I certainly don't condone their manner of protest. At the same time though, no buildings have burned, no stores have been looted..."

what point are you attempting to make?

1/3/2016 12:16:01 PM

Asspocalypto

1/3/2016 12:17:08 PM

How about occupying a public restaurant and trapping a public official? But no, occupy wasn't violent at all.

Quote :

"The dramatic move came just hours after demonstrators chanting 'Hell no! We won't go!' stormed a Wall Street restaurant last night to confront Mayor Bloomberg over a planned clean-up of their camp. Protesters surrounded Cipriani restaurant in Manhattan as the Mayor was at dinner in an attempt to hand him a petition with 310,000 signatures supporting their right to remain in Zuccotti Park. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049137/Occupy-Wall-Street-Violence-erupts-police-clash-protesters.html#ixzz3wCgSbUYg Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049137/Occupy-Wall-Street-Violence-erupts-police-clash-protesters.html

1/3/2016 12:33:33 PM

Just keep on pushing that party line rumple


[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 1:00 PM. Reason : You're the most one dimensional user on this board. HUR may be an idiot but one dimensional he's not]

1/3/2016 12:57:57 PM

Why do you keep pushing the #BLM and #Occupy movements, I don't support either one of them and think many of their protests cross the line and they should be held accountable.

1/3/2016 1:01:02 PM

To point out the hypocrisy...

1/3/2016 1:14:09 PM

It's a pretty stupid comparison.

1/3/2016 1:17:23 PM

When Ranchers start gettingshot in the street we can discuss hypocrisy.

Also occupy was stupid.

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 1:21 PM. Reason : A]

1/3/2016 1:21:22 PM

Quote :

"To point out the hypocrisy..."

in which ways are the Black Lives Matter movement and these people the same?

1/3/2016 1:24:46 PM

^^Rancher shot in street:
http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/cops-under-fire-for-senseless-murder-of-cattle-rancher/

^ hypocrisy in the reporting and response.

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 1:26 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2016 1:25:45 PM

you don't get to post about non-existent (at least in the way you're alleging) hypocrisy in the media and then link to a story from WND

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 1:30 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2016 1:29:38 PM

Hahaha come on man you can't post links like that and expect people to take you seriously.

This is first grade stuff.

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 1:45 PM. Reason : V Sure, but you've exposed your ridiculous bias. Cat's already out of the bag ]

1/3/2016 1:36:56 PM

Better
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/11/03/rancher-killed-shootout-bull-police-shooting-idaho/75080680/
https://reason.com/blog/2015/11/10/state-investigates-police-shooting-of-id
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rancher-shot-killed-idaho-deputies-fight-bull-article-1.2421330

1/3/2016 1:41:04 PM

so you're with equating police interactions with ranchers and police interactions with black people?

cool

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 1:51 PM. Reason : tell us more about the War on Ranchers]

1/3/2016 1:48:45 PM

3 articles about the same incident in which a rancher with a firearm got into a fight with the cops and ended up getting shot.

1/3/2016 1:49:33 PM

I was responding to Dentaldam.

It only happened a few months ago, and the source was called I to question hence the multiple links.

1/3/2016 1:51:25 PM

But what about black on black crime?

Also if the government was nearly as sinister and tyrannical as these assclowns think they'd have been blown away in a millisecond...

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 1:58 PM. Reason : X]

1/3/2016 1:55:00 PM

That guy pointed a gun at the cops?

1/3/2016 1:59:48 PM

Quote :

"@atmosphere they called them angry dudes in oregon #YallQaeda waging #YeeHawd, and i almost died."

1/3/2016 2:52:37 PM

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a40914/oregon-bundy-militia/

1/3/2016 4:33:43 PM

Quote :

"hypocrisy in the reporting and response. "

There's no hypocrisy in the reporting. Black lives matter has always been about civil disobedience.

This Bundy group is intending to seize a public land by force and intend to use violence to hold this ground. They aren't protesters trying to raise awareness for a cause. The Hammond family isn't even part of their rebellion.

1/3/2016 5:01:08 PM

"Black lives matter" wants to be included and treated as equals. Regardless of the looting and negative actions this is the root goal

These guys want to remove themselves and take land by using force.

1/3/2016 5:36:05 PM

Vanilla ISIS

YallQaeda

1/3/2016 6:12:37 PM

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/

more background on the BLM beef

1/3/2016 7:08:45 PM

Holy Christ that link is filled with all kinds of crazy.

1/3/2016 7:21:16 PM

The Bundy insurgents were saying they have been planning this a while, and the Oregon sheriff is saying the hammond trial has little to do with this (the hammonds aren't involved with the acts of terrorism at this point).

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-militia-oregon-20160103-story.html

1/3/2016 7:22:13 PM

Ready the imperial transport. Obama will head down himself to crush this rebel scum.

1/3/2016 7:38:30 PM

^^^ the conservative tree house and conservative Tribune are the top sites pushing conspiracy theories I see posted on Facebook.

Judging based on the posters here and on Facebook, there's a sizable number of conservatives that would join an armed rebellion to kill American police and soldiers.

Maybe the problem this same group has with black lives matter is that #blm should have been demanding complete acquiescence or they will seize the government.

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 8:53 PM. Reason : ]

1/3/2016 8:53:19 PM

It's already been stated, but I don't think that #blm or #occupy brought firearms to their protests.

1/3/2016 8:58:00 PM

I could post that I voted for Hillary and synapse would still call me a partisan hack.

1/3/2016 8:59:43 PM

Except we all know you won't do that.

1/3/2016 9:06:43 PM

The rioters of Ferguson and Baltimore were not called terrorist were they?

They burned down a Little Ceasers, a Little Ceasers

1/3/2016 9:25:24 PM

I still don't see why I get called one dimensional. There are clearly subjects from which I deviate when it comes to the party line.

1/3/2016 9:55:40 PM

1/3/2016 10:26:36 PM

Quote :

" There are clearly subjects from which I deviate when it comes to the party line."

Do tell.

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 10:34 PM. Reason : Cause it clearly ain't your voting record.]

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 10:41 PM. Reason : Nor your posting record.]

1/3/2016 10:33:27 PM

Quote :

"3 articles about the same incident in which a rancher with a firearm got into a fight with the cops and ended up getting shot."

Yet another stupid fucking comparison. Tell us more about how the plight of American ranchers compares to the plight of African Americans in this country.

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 10:53 PM. Reason : Completely out of touch.]

1/3/2016 10:52:03 PM

I like rjrumfel, i don't lump him in with the likes of hur or maxomadrivr or whatever.

(I don't really have any personal beef with hur or maxomadrivr either, it's JCE and doubledown that worry me).

If anyone supports these armed insurgents though I don't see how they have any credibility in saying the love America or support the troops or to #bluelivesmatter .

The difference between protesters practicing civil disobedience is they believe in the American government and people to make the right choices when made aware of an issue.

These gun toting idiots in Oregon don't believe in our country, the people, or the constitution and just want to use force to get their way.

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 11:03 PM. Reason : ..]

1/3/2016 10:58:54 PM

Quote :

"I like rjrumfel, i don't lump him in with the likes of hur "

Quote :

"HUR may be an idiot but one dimensional he's not"

I was splitting, not lumping.

[Edited on January 3, 2016 at 11:03 PM. Reason : and you are his one-dimensional counterbalance, so i guess i see why u like him]

1/3/2016 11:01:08 PM

Ha I like rjrumfel because he adapts his viewpoints somewhat to new information. He's not like JCE who doubles down on idiocy.

1/3/2016 11:07:04 PM

exactly

he's the king of hot takes who normally doesn't put too much thought into said hot takes

that's been his deal for a while now

1/3/2016 11:10:07 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/us/armed-group-vows-to-hold-federal-wildlife-office-in-oregon-for-years.html?_r=0

Good map there of what they've done. Seems like it wouldn't be hard to isolate them. Its not just a "gift shop" they've taken over but a bunch of buildings. They're letting reporters into the parking lot but not inside. NYTimes didn't note how many people they saw.

Weirdly, police weren't on scene... I'd have thought they would be restricting access.

1/4/2016 12:59:19 AM

I'm down for flying the AC-10 overhead and mowing down these backwoods inbred hillbillies from the safety of 10,000 ft!

The father-son pair were killing animals without permits and we all know that cattle is no eco-friendly and a major greenhouse contributor

[Edited on January 4, 2016 at 2:25 AM. Reason : J]

1/4/2016 2:23:11 AM

Quote :

"These gun toting idiots in Oregon don't believe in our country, the people, or the constitution and just want to use force to get their way. "

actually they believe the BLM doesn't have jurisdiction DUE TO the constitution. they think they are defending the constitution. of course they are going about it wrong with the weapons and whatnot

[Edited on January 4, 2016 at 6:27 AM. Reason : a better solution would be a convention of the states to make amendments]

1/4/2016 6:22:58 AM

Quote :

"The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States...."

Article 4 section 3


Seems pretty straightforward to me.

1/4/2016 6:47:19 AM

I am not sure what they use these buildings for, but I wonder how long they will stay there if no one pays them any mind and just ignores them? Either that or cut off all traffic in and out so they have no supplies coming in?

1/4/2016 8:59:23 AM

There's only maybe a dozen, npr only saw 5 people outside when they were standing around a fire.

They could probably just send the cops in to remove them. I don't think 5 people is enough to cause a shootout, but I'm not a deluded insurrectionist thinking I'm doing what God wants me to do.

1/4/2016 9:08:25 AM

Quote :

"#YallQaeda waging #YeeHawd"

this is the best thing in Week 1 of the new year

1/4/2016 9:29:40 AM

news reports i've read have all been in the 10-15 range

How many people were at Ruby Ridge? 6 or 7? And they fucked that pretty hard, I don't think that was resolved until civilians got involved. The best plan is to just wait these guys out.

1/4/2016 9:33:12 AM

Interesting to see this related to Mormonism, not a connection I'd seen before:

http://www.opb.org/news/article/explainer-the-bundy-militias-particular-brand-of-mormonism/

1/4/2016 10:33:37 AM

PacNW FTW...amirite HUR?

1/4/2016 10:55:48 AM