Re: Green new deal

There has been a lot of noise about the lack of nuclear power. I just wanted to clarify that its not because we are against nuclear power, its just that its not something that is feasible within the context of the 10-15 year time period we are trying to make the shift within.

Construction time alone is 7-10 years but when you add in the permitting, licensing, and litigation involved, you'd have to tack on up to another 10 years. So now, we are talking about up to 20 years before you can get a nuclear power plant online and I haven't even talked about the waste issue yet. Thats 20 more years of fossil fuels.

With that said, it'd be wise to leave that out of a plan where the goal is to IMMEDIATELY shift energy production to renewables.

The green new deal resolution is pretty flawless other than the fact that its too vague. All of the criticism has been about things that were either only on the FAQ, or were just made up by special interests.

5/2/2019 8:23:10 PM

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"@philklotzbach The globe has had no #hurricane-strength tropical cyclones since May 3. Only twice since 1990 has the globe had 0 hurricanes from May 4 through June 2: 1995 and 2016."

FWIW

6/3/2019 3:42:55 PM

absolutely nothing?

6/3/2019 4:37:26 PM

That's fine. But the next time you hear a politician talk about "increasing catastrophic events" this little fact hopefully will be ringing in you little empty head.

6/3/2019 4:46:57 PM

Wait, is a one month stretch, at the opening of the storm season, with no storms supposed to be significant when we are talking about changes measured on the scale of geological ages?

6/3/2019 4:51:51 PM

Boom, check-mate climate-change believers!!!1

6/3/2019 5:07:19 PM

If we’re cherry picking rando situations we might as well point out every river in the the Midwest is flooding.

6/3/2019 10:49:49 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Atlantic_hurricane_season

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"The 1995 Atlantic hurricane season was a hyperactive Atlantic hurricane season that is generally considered to be the start of an ongoing era of high-activity tropical cyclone formation in the Atlantic basin. It is tied with 1887, 2010, 2011, and 2012 for having the third most number of named storms. The season produced twenty-one tropical cyclones, nineteen named storms, as well as eleven hurricanes and five major hurricanes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Atlantic_hurricane_season

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"The 2016 Atlantic hurricane season was the first above-average hurricane season since 2012, producing 15 named storms, 7 hurricanes and 4 major hurricanes."

6/4/2019 12:40:26 AM

dude’s decided to add a little Tomi Lahren to his Dallas Woodhouse shitposting tww persona

6/4/2019 12:57:31 AM

Great news out of Saudi Arabia. 50% of their oil production has been knocked offline. The Houthi rebels have already made more progress than the Paris agreement.

[Edited on September 14, 2019 at 8:10 PM. Reason : k]

9/14/2019 8:10:23 PM

lol at nbc, asking for climate sin confessions from the public, really helping the green new deal is a religion narrative there

[Edited on September 19, 2019 at 7:01 AM. Reason : f]

9/19/2019 7:01:27 AM

wat

9/19/2019 12:29:35 PM

^^I know right, sometimes it almost seems like people worship the existence of life on this planet...


But on a serious note, fuck NBC and anyone who takes the individual shaming approach. Theres nothing individuals can do to stop climate change. Its like 100 companies responsible for 71% of the emissions. Individual actions and straws are just a distraction.
https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change

9/19/2019 12:34:37 PM

^alternative headline: 100 fossil fuel companies responsible for bringing billions of people out of extreme poverty


^^ https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/nbc-news-builds-confessional-for-climate-change-zealots

member these?

1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
1970: Ice Age By 2000
1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
1972: New Ice Age By 2070
1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
1974: Another Ice Age?
1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life
1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes
1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend
1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015
2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 90s
1980: Peak Oil In 2000
1996: Peak Oil in 2020
2002: Peak Oil in 2010
2006: Super Hurricanes!
2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
1970s: Killer Bees!

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions

[Edited on September 21, 2019 at 6:12 AM. Reason : s]

9/21/2019 6:08:31 AM

You do understand the difference between a newspaper headline and “broad agreement across multiple peer-reviewed science fields,” right?

9/21/2019 7:02:45 AM

these headlines are sort of like a doctor telling a fat guy to drop pounds or he’ll be dead in 10 years and then the guy works out and going back to the doctor in shape a decade later and calling the doctor a lying asshole bc he’s still alive.

9/21/2019 7:21:39 AM

killer bees!!!!!!!!!1111one

9/21/2019 7:49:30 AM

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"these headlines are sort of like a doctor telling a fat guy to drop pounds or he’ll be dead in 10 years and then the guy works out and going back to the doctor in shape a decade later and calling the doctor a lying asshole bc he’s still alive."

So I'm confused. Are we making progress so that the predictions above were avoided, or is the world going to end in 13 years?

9/23/2019 9:37:11 AM

dont worry youll be dead in 10

9/23/2019 10:16:13 AM

^^ why are you a denialist?

9/23/2019 10:49:09 AM

The world is always going to end in 10 years.

9/24/2019 10:01:24 AM

there's a difference between headlines based on a study or speaking series of a single person (seemed to be the most common in the link above) and the majority consensus of the scientific community

can someone give a tl;dr about greta thunburg? why is she famous, why do people care about what she says?

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 12:23 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2019 12:20:14 PM

Greta has become the leading voice against climate inaction by global leaders. Last year, she organized Friday school strikes to go to protest the Swedish government. Her protest spread quickly throughout her school and the entire country. Then it spread across Europe and the whole world. She just went to NY for the UN climate summit which is another case of the world's leaders getting together to pat themselves on the back for weak action that won't actually solve the problem (paris).

Her speech was more factual than anything I've ever heard from a politician and when she talks, you can feel the human emotion; something that is normally absent from this type of event. The way she expresses the anger we all share is what makes her so remarkable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW3IQ-ke43w

Her movement is so big because it has captured the feelings of young people all over the world. I teach about climate change and almost all of the students feel betrayed like her when they learn about what is happening and how world leaders are dealing with it. They are young enough to understand no amount of short term financial stability is worth risking everything going forward.

9/24/2019 3:41:18 PM

It's easy to feel betrayed when the average standard of living around the world has never been higher in all of human history.

/sic

There are some things that could be done, but it would appear that most of these kids have been brainwashed into believing the alarmist message, something almost every scientist would say is highly unlikely to occur.

9/25/2019 8:24:24 AM

Sources?

9/25/2019 10:37:01 AM

Reference any of the UN IPCC Working Group reports that come out every few years (last was 2017 I believe). There are always a few forecasts/predictions, with the greatest certainly placed on the 1-2 in the middle of the spectrum. The high end one (high end being highest temperature and greatest disruption to the climate) always has a small percentage chance of occurring (in their estimation), but that's the scary scenario that alarmists latch on to.

Perhaps the media coverage was biased (to only show extremists views) but I didn't see any kids out there protesting and crying about the end of the world based on any of the IPCC's views of what will actually happen. To clarify, I'm not referring to the politically biased "summary for policymaker" reports.

If you follow the science, then watch/read what stuff like Greta says (and no doubt believes), yeah it doesn't match up.

[Edited on September 26, 2019 at 8:16 AM. Reason : ]

9/26/2019 8:16:03 AM

starting to believe that we live in a simulation and simpsons writers are actually people outside of the simulation just fucking with us

9/26/2019 10:12:52 AM

New elevation data triple estimates of global vulnerability to sea-level rise and coastal flooding
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12808-z

10/30/2019 9:44:53 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2020/04/21/new-michael-moore-backed-documentary-on-youtube-reveals-massive-ecological-impacts-of-renewables/#26846aba6c96

1.8 million views so far



[Edited on April 25, 2020 at 11:30 AM. Reason : s]

4/25/2020 11:29:22 AM

Earth's ice imbalance
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/15/233/2021/

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"... satellite observations and numerical models... show that Earth lost 28 trillion tonnes of ice between 1994 and 2017. Arctic sea ice (7.6 trillion tonnes), Antarctic ice shelves (6.5 trillion tonnes), mountain glaciers (6.1 trillion tonnes), the Greenland ice sheet (3.8 trillion tonnes), the Antarctic ice sheet (2.5 trillion tonnes), and Southern Ocean sea ice (0.9 trillion tonnes) have all decreased in mass..."

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"The rate of ice loss has risen by 57?% since the 1990s – from 0.8 to 1.2 trillion tonnes per year – owing to increased losses from mountain glaciers, Antarctica, Greenland and from Antarctic ice shelves. During the same period, the loss of grounded ice from the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets and mountain glaciers raised the global sea level by 34.6?±?3.1?mm. The majority of all ice losses were driven by atmospheric melting (68?% from Arctic sea ice, mountain glaciers ice shelf calving and ice sheet surface mass balance), with the remaining losses (32?% from ice sheet discharge and ice shelf thinning) being driven by oceanic melting..."

[Edited on January 25, 2021 at 8:21 PM. Reason : ]

1/25/2021 8:21:05 PM

The IPCC's Sixth Assessment Report

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/sixth-assessment-report-working-group-i/

8/9/2021 9:38:13 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/07/14/manchin-climate-tax-bbb/

Hope nobody invested in beach front property

7/15/2022 12:59:50 AM

Uk

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"A clip from Don’t Look Up, and then a real TV interview that just happened https://t.co/CokQ5eb3sO "

7/20/2022 3:09:00 PM

The Loire has dried up. The Danube is reduced to puddles. The Rhine is more than half it's normal depth. Sucks to live in Europe right now.

8/11/2022 11:44:03 AM

^https://www.thelocal.fr/20220811/in-pictures-french-drought-intensifies-loire-dries-up/

8/11/2022 11:46:30 AM

^^More than half or less than half?

8/11/2022 6:43:53 PM

Hold up, y'all. It turns out there actually is no climate emergency.

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/08/18/1200-scientists-and-professionals-declare-there-is-no-climate-emergency/

Carry on.

8/19/2022 2:04:49 PM

We will.



I wonder how they define "professionals" for the purposes of this 1,200 count? Lawyers and doctors who also happen to be off-the-rails conspiracy theorists? Even mechanical and electrical engineers with a PE are welcome. The more the merrier!

8/19/2022 3:01:16 PM

Here's a link to the actual declaration with a list of the signatories:

https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/WCD-version-06272215121.pdf

8/19/2022 3:50:38 PM

Just a few

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"8. Captain Walter Bates, flew virtually all of United Airline’s aircraft all over the world, including everything from the old DC-6 up through the largest Boeings such as the B-777 and the B 747- 400; from his lifetime of experience he knows that the so-called man-made Mid-Troposhere Hot Zone just does not exist"

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"6. Brent J. Bielema, studied Economics at Northern Illinois University, professional nutritional counseler"

(i guess counselor is sometimes spelled with an "e"?)

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"164. David Wojick, Cognitive Scientist"

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"147. Ronald Stein, Professional Engineer"

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"135. Mike Schimmelpfennig, Degreed Mining Engineer with more than 40 years of experience 136. Harold Grant Scoggins, retired IT professional"

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"4. Pavel Kalenda PhD, CSc., Coal Expert"

[Edited on August 19, 2022 at 4:05 PM. Reason : ]

8/19/2022 3:57:28 PM

Well, there you go. Called it.

8/19/2022 4:43:31 PM

Historic flooding everywhere

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62712301

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"One-third of Pakistan has been completely submerged by historic flooding, its climate minister says."

8/29/2022 4:56:13 PM

That seems like a lot. Also, it's hot!

8/29/2022 4:57:41 PM

https://oaklandside.org/2022/08/29/dead-fish-algae-lake-merritt-red-tide/

https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Enviromental-Group-Reports-Large-Numbers-Of-Fish-17403957.php

Totally normal; nothing to worry about.

[Edited on August 29, 2022 at 6:42 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2022 6:37:20 PM

Invest that doesn't smell good.

8/29/2022 7:33:19 PM

https://www.wral.com/zombie-ice-from-greenland-will-raise-sea-level-10-inches/20437507/

8/30/2022 12:14:25 PM

^^Oops!

Invest = I bet

8/30/2022 11:23:14 PM

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"Historic flooding everywhere"

California's entire central valley was flooded 150 years ago. I bet that was humanity's fault as well.

8/31/2022 10:06:10 AM

Yeah. And forest fires have been happening since the beginning of forests!

8/31/2022 10:14:34 AM

incredible commitment to the bit

8/31/2022 10:31:05 AM