https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/12/andrew-yang-120000-giveaway-for-ubi-pilot-program-1493622

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"Presidential candidate Andrew Yang will announce during Thursday night’s debate that his campaign will randomly select 10 families and give them a total of $120,000 over the next year as part of a pilot program for his universal basic income plan. Yang will announce the online raffle in his opening statement, and people will be able to enter during the next week, according to a person with knowledge of the plans. The money will be distributed to 10 families in increments of $1,000 per month as a way of highlighting Yang’s signature campaign promise, the implementation of a universal basic income. That plan, which Yang has dubbed the "Freedom Dividend," would provide every citizen over the age of 18 with $1,000 a month."

[Edited on September 12, 2019 at 7:17 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2019 7:16:13 PM

9/12/2019 8:06:17 PM

Was klobuchar laughing AT or WITH???

9/12/2019 8:31:06 PM

hahaha

9/12/2019 8:36:42 PM

whats wrong with gathering evidence on a potention program before the election?

9/13/2019 7:43:38 AM

Gathering evidence on what? There is no question that this "Freedom Dividend" will help the people on the receiving end. The question is where would the $$ come from on a national scale, which this little experiment does nothing to address.

9/13/2019 7:50:42 AM

you dont think that problem is evidence? cool... you must be a scientist or something.

9/13/2019 7:52:32 AM

is he going to require these families to give up all their other benefits to receive the $1000/mo?

9/13/2019 10:39:51 AM

What do you think.

9/13/2019 11:58:36 AM

he won't so he can show how great it is, that surprise comes later

9/13/2019 12:04:24 PM

there's no surprise, he's been very clear that the Freedom Dividend is opt-in and those who do will forego various other government assistance programs (which despite their good intentions are extremely flawed in many ways unfortunately)

The Freedom Dividend is far superior to our current safety net hodgepodge, and its benefits go far beyond the goals of our welfare state as well.

you only make yourself look foolish by continuing to spout your ignorance.

9/14/2019 11:39:01 AM

A few of my recent favorite YangGang videos

9/14/2019 11:45:05 AM

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"you only make yourself look foolish by continuing to spout your ignorance. "

says the person who couldn't respond to any of my criticisms

9/14/2019 12:55:47 PM

Yang's website has more traffic than any of the Dem candidates by far, and more traffic than trump too






[Edited on September 14, 2019 at 1:48 PM. Reason : .]

9/14/2019 1:45:19 PM

Yang Gang member checking in.

9/14/2019 1:52:38 PM

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"This Trump account posted a Yang/Trump poll last week and 73k votes later Yang is up 56/44. I know it's just Twitter, but I believe it's a legitimate reflection of real momentum for Yang."

So the trump supporter who created that Trump vs Yang poll which Yang won with over 75,000 responses is now a Yang supporter and is actively campaigning for him.

Another twitter poll from this Trump supporter got over 100k responses and Yang won again.

And it's not just twitter either. Polling agencies are finally starting to ask people about Yang in head-to-head vs Trump and Yang beats Trump 54% to 46%



[Edited on September 14, 2019 at 1:59 PM. Reason : ^ ]

for dtownral

Quote :

"I know it's just Twitter"

[Edited on September 14, 2019 at 3:32 PM. Reason : .]

9/14/2019 1:57:38 PM

Adding any weight to a twitter poll is lollerskates

9/14/2019 3:19:56 PM

Just look how little effect the president has using twitter

9/14/2019 3:29:09 PM

speaking of, Trump just tweeted about Yang. Can't ignore him any more.

9/14/2019 3:51:20 PM

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"And it's not just twitter either. Polling agencies are finally starting to ask people about Yang in head-to-head vs Trump and Yang beats Trump 54% to 46%"

that's one poll in new hampshire only

9/14/2019 5:08:46 PM

Kinda cringey when Yang said "i'm asian so I know a lot of doctors"

Seems like he's trying too hard there IMO

9/14/2019 7:08:29 PM

He's no Jim Gaffigan

9/14/2019 7:50:57 PM

^^ yeah the group I was watching the debate with mostly cringed at that too. it's not bad per se. It's not offensive, it's a positive stereotype, but still it's just unnecessary. he's trying too hard to set an example that we shouldn't get ruffled about every little thing

[Edited on September 14, 2019 at 7:56 PM. Reason : the cancel culture is cancelled thing]

lmk if you don't laugh at this

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" that's one poll in new hampshire only"

indeed. i hope to see our sample size increase soon.

[Edited on September 14, 2019 at 7:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/14/2019 7:55:41 PM

i, too, cringed at his I know a lot of doctors because I am Asian comment.

9/14/2019 9:11:19 PM

so the new democrat strategy for handling yang is ridicule, yes?

9/15/2019 10:01:03 AM

I mean, that's standard operating procedure in politics for most people.

We will win by not get distracted by typical politics, and staying laser focused on the problems that got Donald Trump elected.

9/15/2019 11:19:31 AM

Staying focused by going on their podcasts and defending their comedians

9/15/2019 2:49:56 PM

That's correct. One of the reasons we have Trump as President today is because of the division in this country between those who enthusiastically embrace Cancel Culture vs those who denounce Political Correctness at every opportunity.

There is a middle ground that probably makes sense, particularly when it comes to comedians. Having an open conversation with somebody who professes to want to listen and do better seems like a healthy thing for our culture.

9/15/2019 4:35:02 PM

The left and right have switched on who the authorization thought police are the last couple decades. So nuts

9/15/2019 5:50:35 PM

Who has had their career actually affected other than sexual offenders or blatant racists? Last I checked, dipshits like Charlie Kirk are still out there making tons of Koch money, and Chappelle is making bank on Netflix specials while a minority of lefties are offended on Twitter.

[Edited on September 15, 2019 at 9:48 PM. Reason : and most of the time the sexual assault and racism isn't even enough]

9/15/2019 9:45:33 PM

More like Someting Wong, amirite

[Edited on September 15, 2019 at 9:56 PM. Reason : Whatever]

9/15/2019 9:55:05 PM

No one here has the same definition for “cancel culture” and “political correctness”. They’re pointless phrases used to move the conversations in the direction the person using the phrases wants.

9/15/2019 10:32:42 PM

I actually came to the last debate wanting to see Yang crush it. I really wanted him to impress my wife, so she'd get and/or relate the things I'd been discussing about Yang.

But he didn't do it for me. Now, he wasn't alone, because I think everyone was less impressive than I expected them to be, but he certainly had the biggest expectation to delivery delta.

I'll be clear about this. Yang is not going to be president (different than me wanting him to be or not) and he isn't going to be a vice president. It's just not going to happen. The guy needs to find a path to a governorship, where he can show his ideas aren't crackpot and that they do make sense. The American population and the ruling class are too dense to see the head on collisions coming. The things Yang mentions are very very very real and they need to be addressed but rhetoric alone will only be good enough to reach people who already sort of get it. Yang will need something at scale to reach the masses.

9/16/2019 11:00:56 AM

He should run for mayor of New York. I’d vote for him.

9/16/2019 12:18:30 PM

Quote :

" I actually came to the last debate wanting to see Yang crush it."

I do agree that he is not taking full advantage of his debate night opportunities, but you need to remember, they are playing a different game

see also

https://twitter.com/kenwarner/status/1172399583487389696
https://twitter.com/kenwarner/status/1173386274406879232
https://twitter.com/kenwarner/status/1173246207235375104
https://twitter.com/kenwarner/status/1172918680902148096

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" Yang is not going to be president"

Trump shocked the world in 2016 and Yang is gonna do the same in 2020.

9/16/2019 12:38:20 PM

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"Trump shocked the world in 2016 and Yang is gonna do the same in 2020."

you must be forgetting that Trump only got to where he is because of money

p sure Yang does not have those same resources

or perhaps you're just being optimistic... I guess that's good

9/16/2019 12:48:08 PM

Trump led the polls in July 2015, 1 month after his announcement. He also won by appealing to the far right base. Yang is still outside the top 6 and is appealing to the "both sides" center.

9/16/2019 2:00:32 PM

Trump had also been a household name for over 30 years. Name recognition comes into play huge.

I want Yang to have a leadership position in our country but I think his path there for president isn't right since most American's can't grasp the truth of what he is saying.

I believe his best path to president is to become king of a smaller hill and then attack this one. Now, that could be his plan because he is getting a lot of airtime now that could play into recognition for a future, smaller run.

But I just don't see it happening in 2020.

9/16/2019 2:16:16 PM

Ted Lieu has more potential.

https://lieu.house.gov/

9/16/2019 2:40:19 PM

Bernie was near 0% name recognition in early 2015 and nearly beat Clinton, who was a household name for over 30 years. Name recognition can grow quickly these days. Yang does have to compete with 20 other candidates this cycle though, whereas in 2016 it was essentially just Bernie and Clinton.

Trump's path was easier b/c Republicans are generally less trusting of politicians in general, so many Republican voters were already eager to back a non-politician. Trump's access to money of course helped too, but many other candidates were way better funded. A smart but lean campaign with a message that resonates can 100% beat a large well-funded campaign that does not inspire.

Democrats generally have a more optimistic, hopeful view of politicians (relative to Republicans anyways) so Democratic voters are probably not going to be as quick as a voting block to jump to the outsider candidate. Many Democrats also may be a bit more personally invested in their current candidate of choice, and might be less likely to consider switching to a new name even if they like what they hear. That said, I've lost count of how many Bernie2016 and even Bernie2020 supporters I've seen who are now YangGang, which frankly I didn't quick expect. Bernie supporters are VERY devoted.

It's undeniable that Yang has momentum in a way that none of the other candidates have (with the possible exception of Warren). It's just a matter of can he keep finding ways to get his message out in ways that circumvent the #YangMediaBlackout and does he have enough time to make up for his initial low name recognition.

[Edited on September 16, 2019 at 2:56 PM. Reason : .]

9/16/2019 2:46:14 PM

I'm really curious what you're going to fixate on once this cult of personality finally runs out of steam.

9/16/2019 3:31:11 PM

Probably will go back to automating away more people's jobs with the software I write...

[Edited on September 16, 2019 at 4:02 PM. Reason : it pays better than campaigning for shared economic prosperity at least]

9/16/2019 4:01:32 PM

Repubs are so god damn stupid

I'm not saying affiliating yourself with Democrats is that much better, but geez louise

are people really that dumb

9/16/2019 4:11:23 PM

15*40*52 = 31200
7.25*40*52 = 15080

31200 - 15080 = 16120

1000*12 = 12000

MATH

9/16/2019 9:03:27 PM

you want the rest of the MATH??

A $1000/month Freedom Dividend is in effect a $5.77/hr raise for somebody who works 40 hours a week

so yes, for those who make between the federal minimum wage of $7.25 and $9.23, your effective hourly rate would be better with a $15 minimum wage than the Freedom Dividend
until you take into account the fact that many of them aren't reliably getting 40 hours of work a week.
and until you take into account taxes. there's no taxes on the Freedom Dividend. you'll pay taxes on that $15/hr wage
and until you take into account that you might someday lose your $15/hr job. Minimum wage jobs are not exactly known for being stable careers. Very high turnover rates.
and until you take into account that large corporations will now be more likely to invest in technology that will allow the reduction of required $15/hr workers.
and until you take into account that small businesses may not be as able to absorb the cost of higher wages, and will cut hours or positions entirely
so maybe there's a lot of reasons the Freedom Dividend would actually be a better choice for those people as well.

there's about 17 million adults who make less than $9.23/hr. But I can understand that many of them would estimate that they would benefit more from a $15/hr federal minimum wage rather than a Freedom Dividend, despite the relative uncertainty of receiving that full $15/hr wage through a reliable 40hr/week job, compared to the 100% certainty of receiving a $1000/month Freedom Dividend.

let's look at the rest of the adult population in the US, shall we...

There's 52 million adults making between $9.23 and $15/hr. That $5.77/hr effective raise that the Freedom Dividend provides guarantees that they will be better off with the Freedom Dividend rather than a $15/hr minimum wage.

There's another 94 million adults who make more than $15/hr. They get no benefit from a $15/hr minimum wage. A $1000/month Freedom Dividend will certainly improve their lives.

The labor participation rate is around 63%. That's 96 million adults who do not work traditional jobs. They get no benefit from a $15/hr minimum wage. A $1000/month Freedom Dividend will certainly improve their lives.

So that's 242 million American adults whose lives will be improved by the Freedom Dividend and get nothing from a $15/hr minimum wage.

If you support a $15/hr minimum wage but not the Freedom Dividend, you're saying that you'd rather 242 million Americans and their families get NOTHING, so that 17 million people MIGHT be better off.


And frankly, this isn't even about the math or the money.

[Edited on September 17, 2019 at 1:13 AM. Reason : daaave, I also look forward to you and your family benefitting from a $1000/month Freedom Dividend.]

9/17/2019 12:57:08 AM

Quote :

"The labor participation rate is around 63%. That's 96 million adults who do not work traditional jobs."

so how high would you have to raise taxes on the 37% working, it would have to be over $2k a month right? the numbers on yang's website dont add up to $12k/yr/person where he addresses this which is ironic. math

[Edited on September 17, 2019 at 6:04 AM. Reason : s]

9/17/2019 6:03:59 AM

if he comes to raleigh and starts giving away free stuff in moore square make sure he has all the proper permits. we dont want another biscuit incident.

9/17/2019 7:12:03 AM

Quote :

"It’s undeniable"

lol

9/17/2019 9:20:51 AM

Quote :

"so yes, for those who make between the federal minimum wage of $7.25 and $9.23, your effective hourly rate would be better with a $15 minimum wage than the Freedom Dividend until you take into account the fact that many of them aren't reliably getting 40 hours of work a week. and until you take into account taxes. there's no taxes on the Freedom Dividend. you'll pay taxes on that $15/hr wage and until you take into account that you might someday lose your $15/hr job. Minimum wage jobs are not exactly known for being stable careers. Very high turnover rates. and until you take into account that large corporations will now be more likely to invest in technology that will allow the reduction of required $15/hr workers. and until you take into account that small businesses may not be as able to absorb the cost of higher wages, and will cut hours or positions entirely so maybe there's a lot of reasons the Freedom Dividend would actually be a better choice for those people as well."

why aren't you including the value of the benefits they have to give up (not to mention increases in rent, etc...) in your maths?

9/17/2019 9:59:15 AM

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"the relative uncertainty of receiving that full $15/hr wage through a reliable 40hr/week job, compared to the 100% certainty of receiving a $1000/month Freedom Dividend."

My friend, have you heard of the Green New Deal? Guaranteed job for everyone who needs one, a living wage, AND you don't need to give up benefits.

Yes, everyone on the left understands that automation is a thing. The solution is not to pay workers a measly consolation prize every month while the people who own the robots rack up billions of dollars that they can't even spend.

9/17/2019 10:43:25 AM